Speculations 5 reasons why Sanji will not fight King.

[Taper]

My word choices contradicting each other doesn't matter. The chances of Sanji fighting Queen is higher than him fighting King. I look at the details that matter. It's how I predicted the return-to-the-rooftop chapters before the matchups are set that removes Zeus AND Zoro.

If you're using the Nicagesmile emoji, at least use it for counterpoints and not obvious coping.

I predicted things that came true too, many things actually, it doesn't make me a prophet nor does it add more validity to my predictions.

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I predicted things that came true too, many things actually, it doesn't make me a prophet nor does it add more validity to my predictions.

Plus if Oda wants to be unpredictable i doubt he will go with the most obvious matchup of sanji vs queen, oda is all about subverting expectations and surprising the audience, sanji vs queen is as dry and predictable as anything.

 

[kumae]

The problem is that Sanji fans don't want to admit that Queen has a story with his father and Oda is going to go depeer into that is like Jinbe who has an story with WW.Imagine if he worked in a RS prototype or something like that

 

[Finalbeta]

King is currently at least seemingly taking on Marco, there's no robust reason to stick the neck too much on a scenario that is unlikely unless being substantially invested.

Marco, then we have Yamato potentially looking to get to the rooftop and she would probably encounter them if she does.

Sanji is behind Yamato as a matter of fact.

 

[BleakAsh]

People only wanted Sanji vs King to spite Zoro fans anyways.

Nah that's a pretty generalized notion.. its just how gradually zoro fighting King became unlikely by zoro heading for the roof and prior to that sanji and king clashed. its just a sequence of things that might lead to sanji vs king.. not as shallow as you put it to be, and now makes it mire unlikely.. considering zoro's condition.. which is dire in a nutshell.

All the reasons this fellow mentioned are pretty deviated and unconstructive.. just taking bits from story here and there that are irrelevant and not contingent to the actual plot consideration as a whole.

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The problem is that Sanji fans don't want to admit that Queen has a story with his father and Oda is going to go depeer into that is like Jinbe who has an story with WW.Imagine if he worked in a RS prototype or something like that

thats just a hunch.. and if this is how it is and how oda portrays it to be.. then idm Queen vs sanji regardless, but thr connection isn't profound regardless for them to have a fight upon

 

[Doggo]

I'll say one thing for those opposed to it: Oda has made Queen the worst opponent since Olin spread him open. Like Jack is more intimidating despite his Ls

Yes.
In the end Queen actually KO'ed Big Mom and captured her.
Huge L. I agree. Who could look at this dude and think he was a threat?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

King is currently at least seemingly taking on Marco, there's no robust reason to stick the neck too much on a scenario that is unlikely unless being substantially invested.

Marco, then we have Yamato potentially looking to get to the rooftop and she would probably encounter them if she does.

Sanji is behind Yamato as a matter of fact.

Marcos fighting both king and queen currently. Sanji isn’t fighting one while Marco fights the other.

Yamato wants to fight as oden, I think she’ll get a fight to make them realize they aren’t oden but accept themselves as the child of Kaido and the best person to do that imo is Jack. Those two grew up together and Jack is treated much more like Kaidos son than Yamato is.

 

[Finalbeta]

Marcos fighting both king and queen currently. Sanji isn’t fighting one while Marco fights the other.

Yamato wants to fight as oden, I think she’ll get a fight to make them realize they aren’t oden but accept themselves as the child of Kaido and the best person to do that imo is Jack. Those two grew up together and Jack is treated much more like Kaidos son than Yamato is.

Well technically Queen's attention recently switched unless I missed something. And since Marco can't allegedly take on both it makes sense that at least Queen would be taken on by someone else, which may be Sanji himself.

But on the other hand there's substantial reason to more probably see King taken on by either Marco or Yamato rather than Sanji, and yes it's potentially also a power levels matter.

It's not even a matter of spatial position and power levels alone, but also potential juicy plot related to Queen.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Well technically Queen's attention recently switched unless I missed something. And since Marco can't allegedly take on both it makes sense that at least Queen would be taken on by someone else, which may be Sanji himself.

But on the other hand there's substantial reason to more probably see King taken on by either Marco or Yamato rather than Sanji, and yes it's potentially also a power levels matter.

Nah queens just switched real fast seeing chopper cure his disease but Marco is still fighting him hence why he held queen down for Chopper.

Marco vs King and Queen is continuing.

And personally I don’t think Yamato is as strong as King. Personally I rate them on Jack level. Sanjis much stronger

 

[Taper]

Well technically Queen's attention recently switched unless I missed something. And since Marco can't allegedly take on both it makes sense that at least Queen would be taken on by someone else, which may be Sanji himself.

But on the other hand there's substantial reason to more probably see King taken on by either Marco or Yamato rather than Sanji, and yes it's potentially also a power levels matter.

It's not even a matter of spatial position and power levels alone, but also potential juicy plot related to Queen.

It can't be a power level issue after you witnessed the absurdities of the rooftop fight that is not an argument anymore.

 

[Finalbeta]

Nah queens just switched real fast seeing chopper cure his disease but Marco is still fighting him hence why he held queen down for Chopper.

Marco vs King and Queen is continuing.

And personally I don’t think Yamato is as strong as King. Personally I rate them on Jack level. Sanjis much stronger

Yamato is most likely much stronger than Jack actually.

- Stalemated Ace, probably comparable to Jinbe
- She probably kept growing more than Jinbe did growth rate wise
- That was Base Yamato only

 

[Taper]

Well technically Queen's attention recently switched unless I missed something. And since Marco can't allegedly take on both it makes sense that at least Queen would be taken on by someone else, which may be Sanji himself.

But on the other hand there's substantial reason to more probably see King taken on by either Marco or Yamato rather than Sanji, and yes it's potentially also a power levels matter.

It's not even a matter of spatial position and power levels alone, but also potential juicy plot related to Queen.

And you need to understand it was stated that theses executives would be taken out by the new gen and that's not marco and oda wont write yamato vs king because sanji takes precedence as a main character, furthermore yamato will face her father and she definitely wont beat king and also face kaido.

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Yamato is most likely much stronger than Jack actually.

- Stalemated Ace, probably comparable to Jinbe
- She probably kept growing more than Jinbe did growth rate wise
- That was Base Yamato only

I love how you give Yamato the benefit of the doubt but not sanji lol its really odd.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yamato is most likely much stronger than Jack actually.

- Stalemated Ace, probably comparable to Jinbe
- She probably kept growing more than Jinbe did growth rate wise
- That was Base Yamato only

Ace at this point was a rookie pirate. He wasn’t at the level he was when he died.

I feel Ace grew between his fight with Yamato and his fight with Jinbe since canonically he was traveling to the dens of emperors at this time he probably got in many strong fights.

I doubt Yamato grew much afterwards since I don’t see Yamato getting many chances to train their haki through battle while tied up on the island

I understand it was base Yamato, but I feel the Ace who fought Yamato was probably barely as strong as a Tobi Roppo...

 

[Doggo]

Well technically Queen's attention recently switched unless I missed something. And since Marco can't allegedly take on both it makes sense that at least Queen would be taken on by someone else, which may be Sanji himself.

But on the other hand there's substantial reason to more probably see King taken on by either Marco or Yamato rather than Sanji, and yes it's potentially also a power levels matter.

It's not even a matter of spatial position and power levels alone, but also potential juicy plot related to Queen.

Queen went for Chopper.
Marco still went after Queen.

And if it's just a matter of "power level", than Sanji vs King becomes more likely than Yamato vs King.

Unless we are having the "Sanji is no longer part of the Monster Trio" debate on this fandom for the...I dont know, tenth time already?

 

[Dr. Spook]

OP, what's the point of making a thread on why Sanji will not fight King, and then make another thread of why Sanji will fight Queen? Don't clog the manga section, mate.. it's either one or the other.

Or better.. come up with a broader title like, "Sanji's main opponent" and put all your points there..
Jesus Christ.



Rant aside, would like to see Sanji fight King.
A purely focused aerial battle is cool, and they literally clashed some 10 or so chapters ago.

 

[Finalbeta]

Ace at this point was a rookie pirate. He wasn’t at the level he was when he died.

I feel Ace grew between his fight with Yamato and his fight with Jinbe since canonically he was traveling to the dens of emperors at this time he probably got in many strong fights.

I doubt Yamato grew much afterwards since I don’t see Yamato getting many chances to train their haki through battle while tied up on the island

I understand it was base Yamato, but I feel the Ace who fought Yamato was probably barely as strong as a Tobi Roppo...

I didn't factor the notion that Ace v Yamato occurred after Ace v Jinbe but if I did that would have only helped my case more. But I did not to stay the most skeptical.

The miminum we can more probably see is Base Yamato ~ Ace ~ Jinbe by that time and nothing suggesting Jinbe kept growing more than Yamato when the indication looks diametrically opposed.

FP Yamato >> Base Yamato >~ Current Jinbe is a good bet statistically.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I didn't factor the notion that Ace v Yamato occurred after Ace v Jinbe but if I did that would have only helped my case more. But I did not to stay the most skeptical.

The miminum we can more probably see is Base Yamato ~ Ace ~ Jinbe by that time and nothing suggesting Jinbe kept growing more than Yamato when the indication looks diametrically opposed.

FP Yamato >> Base Yamato >~ Current Jinbe is a good bet statistically.

See and I think Ace grew faster by the time he met Jinbe (we saw how fast Luffy grows and Ace had more potential than even him)

So I go

DF Yamato ~ Jinbe ~ DF Jack

 

[Doggo]

I didn't factor the notion that Ace v Yamato occurred after Ace v Jinbe but if I did that would have only helped my case more. But I did not to stay the most skeptical.

The miminum we can more probably see is Base Yamato ~ Ace ~ Jinbe by that time and nothing suggesting Jinbe kept growing more than Yamato when the indication looks diametrically opposed.

FP Yamato >> Base Yamato >~ Current Jinbe is a good bet statistically.

Ace grew because Ace was free to roam the world and fight lots of different people.
Yamato was trapped. We have 0 clue on how much she used to fight and train.
Didn't we learn that Haki blooms in difficult fights? Did she have any difficult fights?
Assuming that Yamato grew as much as Ace did, purely because they had a draw once, disregarding their completely different conditions, makes no sense. She legit could be just as strong as the day Ace fought her. Or just a little bit stronger.
Maybe 10x stronger.
We REALLY can't know.

 

[Finalbeta]

Ace grew because Ace was free to roam the world and fight lots of different people.
Yamato was trapped. We have 0 clue on how much she used to fight and train.
Didn't we learn that Haki blooms in difficult fights? Did she have any difficult fights?
Assuming that Yamato grew as much as Ace did, purely because they had a draw once, disregarding their completely different conditions, makes no sense. She legit could be just as strong as the day Ace fought her. Or just a little bit stronger.
Maybe 10x stronger.
We REALLY can't know.

This makes absolutely no sense.

First of all how do we even determine what kind of growth she underwent when we know so little of what she went through in details?

Only thing we can cling on is to speculate circa the chance she grew more than Jinbe did, specifically by the time she fought with Ace till today; and there's no substantial reason for now to believe she more probably didn't grow more, due the kind of environment she would experience compared to Jinbe's. And even that is a mystery, this is why I call it bet to begin with.

In other words we can at least more safely assume that a Full Power Yamato is probably stronger than Jinbe going by that notion and pinning the full power factor in.

 

[Doggo]

First of all how do we even determine what kind of growth she underwent when we know so little of what she went through in details?

Exactly. We dont.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Yes.
In the end Queen actually KO'ed Big Mom and captured her.
Huge L. I agree. Who could look at this dude and think he was a threat?

Sorry I moved my post to the Queen thread.


But you're actually helping my point lol. Queen is fine despite some fans wanting Sanji to aim at the next guy up. He looks underwhelming but for Sanji there is truly nothing wrong with it as a solo win and Oda wouldn't have to strain to come up with a way for him to beat a guy already out of his league.