General & Others Oda's Obsession With Originality and Shockvalue And Why The Story Suffers
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The moment kaido knocked out luffy in start of wano and talked about 'conquerors haki', when whitebeard and roger clashed with conquerors, and the major antagonist being the 'king of beasts' you should have known this was coming
The moment kaido knocked out luffy in start of wano and talked about 'conquerors haki', when whitebeard and roger clashed with conquerors, and the major antagonist being the 'king of beasts' you should have known this was coming
This can be said for conquerors but in story conquerors cannot be trained as Rayleigh said, you just get better at using it.
Luffy already talked about wanting to learn future sight when he fought with katakuri.
Oda? The same guy who designs new gifters for 10 straight chapters with luffy running is rushing the series?
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The moment kaido knocked out luffy in start of wano and talked about 'conquerors haki', when whitebeard and roger clashed with conquerors, and the major antagonist being the 'king of beasts' you should have known this was coming
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This can be said for conquerors but in story conquerors cannot be trained as Rayleigh said, you just get better at using it.
Luffy already talked about wanting to learn future sight when he fought with katakuri.
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Oda? The same guy who designs new gifters for 10 straight chapters with luffy running is rushing the series?
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No I agree that you have to be born with it, but its also something that if you have it you can improve on it by training which luffy didn't seem to do. The problem here is that we spent 2 weeks in udon prison for luffy to learn adv armament because it was supposedly the only way for luffy to hurt him and the key to victory, skip to the rooftop fight and now luffy has advanced his kings haki through getting clubbed in the face I guess and it wont be advanced armament that's the key anymore but adv kings. Also It feels like just another version of adv armament like there doesn't seem to be anything unique about it, basic hit harder and take harder hits type deal.
Strawhats had their best moments pre timeskip because it was their introduction to the story and they were explored. In the new world yes they are basically side characters, Oda can't write conflict between the crew as they trust each other now or between a crew member and a random new world character, so he brought in new world characters law,Scabbards who are tied to the new world villain so I understand why the strawhats don't get good moments anymore.
Rayleigh Rayleigh said CoC can't be trained, and the moment the arc started with a "King" of beasts villain you should have seen that CoC would be the deciding factor the same thing happened in WCI.
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Rayleigh Rayleigh said CoC can't be trained, and the moment the arc started with a "King" of beasts villain you should have seen that CoC would be the deciding factor the same thing happened in WCI.
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The heart of one piece was always the straw hats, take that away and the series doesn't feel the same anymore. Oda should have always stuck to the SHs and dealt with side characters like pre time skip because the change he has made to the way he treats theses characters has clearly effected the quality of story and peoples enjoyment of it. If you are a ussop fan what do you actually have to look back on post timeskip and this goes for almost every other strawhat bar luffy, all their good moments were in the pre but its wasn't just because that's when they were introduced, like zoro had some of his best moments outside of his intro arc, same thing with every other strawhat. Oda consistently gave them important roles and made them shine almost every arc, now he throws them into the void for 2 years because he can't be bothered to write them an important role in an arc.
I don't have a problem with Adv kings being the answer to the riddle but I do have a problem with the way Oda executed it and has now made Adv armament seem quite secondary and lackluster. And I am not saying kings haki can be trained, I am saying if you have it already you can improve on it by training I mean how did luffy just learn how to imbue his attacks with kings...that's a process its not subconscious like to gain advanced armament there is a special type of training Luffy can't just do it like that.
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I don't have a problem with Adv kings being the answer to the riddle but I do have a problem with the way Oda executed it and has now made Adv armament seem quite secondary and lackluster. And I am not saying kings haki can be trained, I am saying if you have it already you can improve on it by training I mean how did luffy just learn how to imbue his attacks with kings...that's a process its not subconscious like to gain advanced armament there is a special type of training Luffy can't just do it like that.
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I agree with most of what you're saying but Oda can't treat a side character like Law and the scabbards the same way as Paulie and Wyper.
In Enies lobby, Robin and usopp were central characters much more than Paulie and Iceberg, thriller bark had no noteworthy side characters and Vivi can be considered a Strawhat for alabasta
But in post timeskip, no Strawhat has any business with Doflamingo so law had to take the central stage
Same as Wano, the scabbards had to come in, Oda can't make it a Strawhat centric arc at all. And for the great stawhats moments I hope we get some in Wano but I'm sure it won't happen, maybe during the conflict with Blackbeard where hopefully there isn't much focus on side characters
In Enies lobby, Robin and usopp were central characters much more than Paulie and Iceberg, thriller bark had no noteworthy side characters and Vivi can be considered a Strawhat for alabasta
But in post timeskip, no Strawhat has any business with Doflamingo so law had to take the central stage
Same as Wano, the scabbards had to come in, Oda can't make it a Strawhat centric arc at all. And for the great stawhats moments I hope we get some in Wano but I'm sure it won't happen, maybe during the conflict with Blackbeard where hopefully there isn't much focus on side characters
Agreed, just felt like Oda could have someway included the strawhats into the plot but its is what it is. I hope that not only in this arc but after as well Oda can shift the focus back on the strawhats because everything from punk hazard to WCI felt like a big race to Wano almost like they were just building blocks. Now that we are here I am expecting ALOT from our protagonists and post Wano as well.
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This thread is mostly a culmination of my thoughts regarding the state of Post Timeskip One Piece and why I think the story has ultimately suffered. This is not to say that there are not enjoyable aspects. We can always find something "good" about someone or something even if we do not particularly think highly of that person or thing. For me, my sticking point in the post time skip has been Linlin whose character I very much enjoy both for good and for bad.
(Sorry in advance for the grammatical errors)
Originality And Banality - I can confidently say that there is no such thing as originality especially in art where creators draw inspiration from each other in reciprocal manner yet, the goal when drawing from other sources, is to create something unique and to avoid banality. I am not here to criticize Oda for lack of creativity in fact, I think that One Piece is unique for its creativity and its ability to integrate so many concepts in a manner which seems oddly coherent and natural to the world itself.
Nevertheless, I think that Oda suffers from the obsession of being "original" and avoids banality much to the detriment of the story's coherence and consistency. It is well known at this point that Oda is indeed aware of the rabid fanbase and theory-crafting. He dislikes when we the fans are able to predict the outcome of a plot line or future events. This foresight is such an issue that he has been on record saying that he retroactively changes outcomes when he becomes aware that the fans have predicted it. The need to create mystery and to amaze fans with twists and turns is alluring for any storyteller. Often times, the most memorable aspects of a story is the unexpected twist. But, there are limits.
I truly believe that Post TS One Piece suffers because Oda is obsessed with unexpected twists and turns. Coherence will inevitably suffer when the outcome of a plot is changed retroactively just for the sake of shock value rather than the change occurring as a result of an unforeseen flaw during the initial conception of the plotline. Now, it's difficult to point out exactly which plot points Oda has changed retroactively as a result of fan foresight but we can see how his obsession with being original and unpredictable manifests in other aspects of the story.
Silhouettes, Name Drops And Ambiguous References
I've been bitching for years about Oda's overuse of Silhouettes in the post time skip. I think it's egregious when the likes of Holdem is first introduced as a shadow without very much relevance as to why his features or face would remain hidden. For example, Kozuki Oden remained a Silhouette for the longest time with no justification for why he ought to remain hidden. The same goes for Momonoske. Personally speaking, these reveals especially for characters we have never met before did nothing to make their introduction any more memorable. In fact, I remember being quite upset that I waited so long for Oden's design just to have his introduction be just another chapter. I would also say that the long wait greatly ruined his introduction because it raised expectations just to have them unmet.
I understand that building "hype" and "expectation" is part of the business model to keep readers interesting but to me, the manner in which Oda uses these tools is cheap and lazy because it adds nothing to the story nor the characters. It's a cheap way of generating interest and mystery when it is rehashed over and over again. Another recent example is the introduction of the flying 6. Showing their feet the chapter before their introduction rather than just showing them outright added nothing to my interest in these characters. I know that I don't speak for everyone. In fact, I was on the spoiler thread and saw the amount of interest their feet (particularly Who's Who) generated. Yet, to me withholding their appearance added nothing to the overall story. I don't care anymore about the flying six because I couldn't see their design for a chapter or two because it's not pertinent to how the story is supposed to progress.
Haki
Oda's obsession manifests most in his integration of Haki. I don't hate Haki nor do I think it's an uninteresting power system but, my interest in something only goes as far as I can understand that thing. The introduction of Haki has greatly reduced the coherence of the plot in unexpected ways. It may sound hyperbolic to make such a statement but if you consider that the primary form of conflict resolution in One Piece is through combat and violence, then such an assertion isn't so absurd. At the end of the day, everything will be resolved through Luffy's fists and beating down the tyrants that oppress the inhabitants of whatever Island the Strawhats find themselves on.
I won't go into detail on the countless instances where Haki renders the plot incoherent or unbelievable because there are already countless discussions on it. what I want to focus on is Oda's conscious choice of keeping Haki very ambiguous. He keeps Haki ambiguous for the same reason he changes his plot when fans figure out whats going to happen and for the same reason he keeps characters silhouettes or chooses to show their feet instead of just showing them even though witholding them ultimately adds nothing to the plot. That is, for the sake of avoiding banality, remaining unpredictable and to "shock" the readers.
It's clear that Haki is not a concept that Oda had fully solidified until the time skip but it does not excuse the ambiguity that surrounds a power system that has been an integral aspect of combat and plot resolution the past decade. Oda is creative and talented enough to sit down and provide clear and concise details regarding Haki. I say concise here because I know that walls of exposition is not everyone's cup of tea. I personally love long detailed and meticulous explanations of powers and mechanics. For example, the panel below is infamous in and out of the H x H fanbase but panels like that get me excited. I love info dumps. "I want everything explained to me or nothing at all"
I'm not holding Oda to Togashi's "autistic" standards on exposition but basic delineation and explanations as to how Haki works and interacts with the world wouldn't be so hard for Oda.
To put it bluntly, Oda keeps Haki opened ended and ambiguous because it's crutch. When the situation deteriorates and Luffy finds himself in with his back against the wall, Oda can always turn to an unforeseen aspect of Haki to give Luffy the power he needs to overcome his opponent. We see this last chapter where without very little prompt, Luffy becomes capable of imbuing COC into his attacks. I have no issue with Luffy doing so. I take issue because it comes out of thin air. There is no slow progression leading to his epiphany, it just happened. We the readers are forced to accept the result because we had no expectation of what Conquerors Haki does beyond overpowering the weak willed.
I'm sure that moment created "hype" and excitement for many but that hype to me is empty. To me, exciting moments are exciting when there is substance backing those moments. Luffy's realization about COC was not exciting to me because there was no build up. It simply just happened and a cheap flashback was enough to trigger growth.In the same vein, Luffy's victory over Katakuri did not excite me because whatever build up that occurred was rushed and was incoherent due to the thick wall of plot protection and plot induced stupidity imposed on the whole scenario.
Oda believes that keeping things about Haki ambiguous up until it's relevant for plot makes the story exciting and keeps readers hooked. I am sure that for many, that is the case but not for me. I can't help but feel that the story loses believability and tension when things occur so conveniently for Luffy when it comes to powers and combat. Every time Oda reveals something about Haki in the midst of combat in favor of Luffy, I can't help but call bullshit and feel like it's an ass pull. This of course is all personal preference. I'm sure there are many people who enjoy when Haki is exploited as a plot device.
The Beauty of Unoriginality And Expectations
Being unoriginal is not a bad thing. The same applies to knowing what to expect and having that expectation more or less fulfilled. Oda is a talented writer who I believe can still write a captivating narrative without resorting to cheap tricks for the sake of shock value and the subversion of expectations. I think that a major aspect of my enjoyment of something is how well I can engage with it, and how well I can understand it (even if I'm wrong). I think it's cool having an important character introduced without any added fluff. The importance of that character should be dictated by their actions and how they shape the world or influence those around them rather than through artificial measures like Silhouettes. I think it's far more impressive to highlight a characters importance and impact passively even when the audience knows things about the character.
The same can be applied to the plot and power system which progresses the plot. When authors create rules and strictly follow those rules for power systems, we the audience roughly know what to expect. We understand and can follow the rules of the world and through this understanding we can be active passengers in reaching a conclusion as to how a conflict can be resolved within established framework. I'm not imploring or damning Oda for not being obsessive and meticulous like Togashi nor am I trying to suggest that he turns Haki into a hard power system like nen. Yet, basic rules should be established to provide a framework for the readers to follow along. When readers know the rules of a system or world, and know that the author will strictly follow those rules, the resolution the author comes up with is far more satisfying because it follows the established rules. We the readers even with all the rules can only theorize so much. Only the author truly knows his/her characters. The authors solution even if restricted through self imposed rules, comes with its own uniqueness. Things will rarely feel or look like an asspull.
I feel like the writing of the Post Time Skip could truly be much better if Oda wasn't so obsessed with always being original or subverting reader expectations. The story suffers greatly because he chooses to focus on shocking the readers and remaining unpredictable rather than constructing a natural narrative which is free from cheap attention grabbing tactics.
(Sorry in advance for the grammatical errors)
Originality And Banality - I can confidently say that there is no such thing as originality especially in art where creators draw inspiration from each other in reciprocal manner yet, the goal when drawing from other sources, is to create something unique and to avoid banality. I am not here to criticize Oda for lack of creativity in fact, I think that One Piece is unique for its creativity and its ability to integrate so many concepts in a manner which seems oddly coherent and natural to the world itself.
Nevertheless, I think that Oda suffers from the obsession of being "original" and avoids banality much to the detriment of the story's coherence and consistency. It is well known at this point that Oda is indeed aware of the rabid fanbase and theory-crafting. He dislikes when we the fans are able to predict the outcome of a plot line or future events. This foresight is such an issue that he has been on record saying that he retroactively changes outcomes when he becomes aware that the fans have predicted it. The need to create mystery and to amaze fans with twists and turns is alluring for any storyteller. Often times, the most memorable aspects of a story is the unexpected twist. But, there are limits.
I truly believe that Post TS One Piece suffers because Oda is obsessed with unexpected twists and turns. Coherence will inevitably suffer when the outcome of a plot is changed retroactively just for the sake of shock value rather than the change occurring as a result of an unforeseen flaw during the initial conception of the plotline. Now, it's difficult to point out exactly which plot points Oda has changed retroactively as a result of fan foresight but we can see how his obsession with being original and unpredictable manifests in other aspects of the story.
Silhouettes, Name Drops And Ambiguous References
I've been bitching for years about Oda's overuse of Silhouettes in the post time skip. I think it's egregious when the likes of Holdem is first introduced as a shadow without very much relevance as to why his features or face would remain hidden. For example, Kozuki Oden remained a Silhouette for the longest time with no justification for why he ought to remain hidden. The same goes for Momonoske. Personally speaking, these reveals especially for characters we have never met before did nothing to make their introduction any more memorable. In fact, I remember being quite upset that I waited so long for Oden's design just to have his introduction be just another chapter. I would also say that the long wait greatly ruined his introduction because it raised expectations just to have them unmet.
I understand that building "hype" and "expectation" is part of the business model to keep readers interesting but to me, the manner in which Oda uses these tools is cheap and lazy because it adds nothing to the story nor the characters. It's a cheap way of generating interest and mystery when it is rehashed over and over again. Another recent example is the introduction of the flying 6. Showing their feet the chapter before their introduction rather than just showing them outright added nothing to my interest in these characters. I know that I don't speak for everyone. In fact, I was on the spoiler thread and saw the amount of interest their feet (particularly Who's Who) generated. Yet, to me withholding their appearance added nothing to the overall story. I don't care anymore about the flying six because I couldn't see their design for a chapter or two because it's not pertinent to how the story is supposed to progress.
Haki
Oda's obsession manifests most in his integration of Haki. I don't hate Haki nor do I think it's an uninteresting power system but, my interest in something only goes as far as I can understand that thing. The introduction of Haki has greatly reduced the coherence of the plot in unexpected ways. It may sound hyperbolic to make such a statement but if you consider that the primary form of conflict resolution in One Piece is through combat and violence, then such an assertion isn't so absurd. At the end of the day, everything will be resolved through Luffy's fists and beating down the tyrants that oppress the inhabitants of whatever Island the Strawhats find themselves on.
I won't go into detail on the countless instances where Haki renders the plot incoherent or unbelievable because there are already countless discussions on it. what I want to focus on is Oda's conscious choice of keeping Haki very ambiguous. He keeps Haki ambiguous for the same reason he changes his plot when fans figure out whats going to happen and for the same reason he keeps characters silhouettes or chooses to show their feet instead of just showing them even though witholding them ultimately adds nothing to the plot. That is, for the sake of avoiding banality, remaining unpredictable and to "shock" the readers.
It's clear that Haki is not a concept that Oda had fully solidified until the time skip but it does not excuse the ambiguity that surrounds a power system that has been an integral aspect of combat and plot resolution the past decade. Oda is creative and talented enough to sit down and provide clear and concise details regarding Haki. I say concise here because I know that walls of exposition is not everyone's cup of tea. I personally love long detailed and meticulous explanations of powers and mechanics. For example, the panel below is infamous in and out of the H x H fanbase but panels like that get me excited. I love info dumps. "I want everything explained to me or nothing at all"
To put it bluntly, Oda keeps Haki opened ended and ambiguous because it's crutch. When the situation deteriorates and Luffy finds himself in with his back against the wall, Oda can always turn to an unforeseen aspect of Haki to give Luffy the power he needs to overcome his opponent. We see this last chapter where without very little prompt, Luffy becomes capable of imbuing COC into his attacks. I have no issue with Luffy doing so. I take issue because it comes out of thin air. There is no slow progression leading to his epiphany, it just happened. We the readers are forced to accept the result because we had no expectation of what Conquerors Haki does beyond overpowering the weak willed.
I'm sure that moment created "hype" and excitement for many but that hype to me is empty. To me, exciting moments are exciting when there is substance backing those moments. Luffy's realization about COC was not exciting to me because there was no build up. It simply just happened and a cheap flashback was enough to trigger growth.In the same vein, Luffy's victory over Katakuri did not excite me because whatever build up that occurred was rushed and was incoherent due to the thick wall of plot protection and plot induced stupidity imposed on the whole scenario.
Oda believes that keeping things about Haki ambiguous up until it's relevant for plot makes the story exciting and keeps readers hooked. I am sure that for many, that is the case but not for me. I can't help but feel that the story loses believability and tension when things occur so conveniently for Luffy when it comes to powers and combat. Every time Oda reveals something about Haki in the midst of combat in favor of Luffy, I can't help but call bullshit and feel like it's an ass pull. This of course is all personal preference. I'm sure there are many people who enjoy when Haki is exploited as a plot device.
The Beauty of Unoriginality And Expectations
Being unoriginal is not a bad thing. The same applies to knowing what to expect and having that expectation more or less fulfilled. Oda is a talented writer who I believe can still write a captivating narrative without resorting to cheap tricks for the sake of shock value and the subversion of expectations. I think that a major aspect of my enjoyment of something is how well I can engage with it, and how well I can understand it (even if I'm wrong). I think it's cool having an important character introduced without any added fluff. The importance of that character should be dictated by their actions and how they shape the world or influence those around them rather than through artificial measures like Silhouettes. I think it's far more impressive to highlight a characters importance and impact passively even when the audience knows things about the character.
The same can be applied to the plot and power system which progresses the plot. When authors create rules and strictly follow those rules for power systems, we the audience roughly know what to expect. We understand and can follow the rules of the world and through this understanding we can be active passengers in reaching a conclusion as to how a conflict can be resolved within established framework. I'm not imploring or damning Oda for not being obsessive and meticulous like Togashi nor am I trying to suggest that he turns Haki into a hard power system like nen. Yet, basic rules should be established to provide a framework for the readers to follow along. When readers know the rules of a system or world, and know that the author will strictly follow those rules, the resolution the author comes up with is far more satisfying because it follows the established rules. We the readers even with all the rules can only theorize so much. Only the author truly knows his/her characters. The authors solution even if restricted through self imposed rules, comes with its own uniqueness. Things will rarely feel or look like an asspull.
I feel like the writing of the Post Time Skip could truly be much better if Oda wasn't so obsessed with always being original or subverting reader expectations. The story suffers greatly because he chooses to focus on shocking the readers and remaining unpredictable rather than constructing a natural narrative which is free from cheap attention grabbing tactics.
I just don't give a fuck about this story anymore. I'm here only for Zoro and few characters.
Literally, nothing story-wise interests me because Oda is not answering shit or opening new plot holes on top of the old ones.
One Piece post time skip is fucking trash.
Yonko threat was probably meant to be a gag because this can't be fucking true.
Just to add on the "originality". It isn't that One Piece suffers from originality, instead Oda has basically maxed out world building to such an extent that no matter what he does he won't be able to do justice with all characters and subplots which is why he IMO steals other themes and places it into his own story. For example, WCI theme of Alice in Wonderland. People may say, he uses Disney as "inspiration" but to me there is not much difference between "inspiration" and "plagiarizing" when it comes to story telling. One Piece should have ended years ago which is why post time skip is suffering so bad.
Also, the Haki thing to me is given such unnecessary time. Luffy has snake man, G4, devil fruit, future sight, conqueror armor, advanced armor so much and yet Oda continues to add more dumb concepts of haki that the fanbase eats up for some reason.
It isn't just Usopp, literally every character that isn't Luffy suffers. Oda purposes regresses characters like Sanji only to hype up Luffy like WCI. The reason Rebecca from Dressrosa was so hated because Oda literally purposely put her in situations where it made Luffy look better, in order for Luffy to get those "cool moments". It has become ridiculous. Usopp was my favorite character too but not anymore due to how Oda has handled him. I don't get what happened to Oda to shift the story by this much, to tilt the balance to Luffy to this extent is very weird. I don't understand the fetish Oda has with Luffy. We didn't see characters regressing pretime skip in order for Luffy to look cool but post time skip every three chapters it happens.
Why believe him? Actually critique his words since Oda has lied so many times. Him saying "he likes it" means "it makes more money". Silhouettes are meant to hide aspects which isn't the case majority of the time with Oda, so why does he do it? He does it because he knows it sells. Create this "fake" hype by drawing Silhouttes in order to have those 14-15 year old males engaged. What is sad is that it isn't just 14-15 year olds, it is literally males in their 20's eating this up.
Sabody Archipaelgo, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marine Ford and Ace/Luffy flashback COMBINED took less time than Wano alone. Slow is an understatement lol. Oda is trying to make as much money as possible and he isn't even hiding it anymore. Longer arcs, more fanservice, bigger chests on women, etc. It is evident money is the motivation.
Also, the Haki thing to me is given such unnecessary time. Luffy has snake man, G4, devil fruit, future sight, conqueror armor, advanced armor so much and yet Oda continues to add more dumb concepts of haki that the fanbase eats up for some reason.
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It isn't just Usopp, literally every character that isn't Luffy suffers. Oda purposes regresses characters like Sanji only to hype up Luffy like WCI. The reason Rebecca from Dressrosa was so hated because Oda literally purposely put her in situations where it made Luffy look better, in order for Luffy to get those "cool moments". It has become ridiculous. Usopp was my favorite character too but not anymore due to how Oda has handled him. I don't get what happened to Oda to shift the story by this much, to tilt the balance to Luffy to this extent is very weird. I don't understand the fetish Oda has with Luffy. We didn't see characters regressing pretime skip in order for Luffy to look cool but post time skip every three chapters it happens.
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Why believe him? Actually critique his words since Oda has lied so many times. Him saying "he likes it" means "it makes more money". Silhouettes are meant to hide aspects which isn't the case majority of the time with Oda, so why does he do it? He does it because he knows it sells. Create this "fake" hype by drawing Silhouttes in order to have those 14-15 year old males engaged. What is sad is that it isn't just 14-15 year olds, it is literally males in their 20's eating this up.
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Sabody Archipaelgo, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marine Ford and Ace/Luffy flashback COMBINED took less time than Wano alone. Slow is an understatement lol. Oda is trying to make as much money as possible and he isn't even hiding it anymore. Longer arcs, more fanservice, bigger chests on women, etc. It is evident money is the motivation.
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Thats the words of a hater
Tell me about a point in the story he could ended one piece And he didnt
He planned everything from 20 years
Wano was foreshadowed in chapter 300
He cant just end one piece because of nothing like you
He wont end his story untill he finish it
Oda have the money to live as a millionaire he and his grand grand sons
He doesnt care
He is an artist who want to finish his art with high quality
I think you are a naruto or Aot fan lol
And for wci he used these themes to make a contrast between them and being the land of the devil
Yes there is an inspiration but it wasnt the whole point
Dont be an ignorant
Again
If you watched one piece from the begining you would easily know that wano is the longest arc even before it began
Tell me about a point in the story he could ended one piece And he didnt
He planned everything from 20 years
Wano was foreshadowed in chapter 300
He cant just end one piece because of nothing like you
He wont end his story untill he finish it
Oda have the money to live as a millionaire he and his grand grand sons
He doesnt care
He is an artist who want to finish his art with high quality
I think you are a naruto or Aot fan lol
And for wci he used these themes to make a contrast between them and being the land of the devil
Yes there is an inspiration but it wasnt the whole point
Dont be an ignorant
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Again
If you watched one piece from the begining you would easily know that wano is the longest arc even before it began
Anyone who starts their argument by saying "if you watched one piece from the beginning" automatically loses. Why is "if you actual read one peice in the beginning" always the argument that you fanboys always say? Like why? Also, if you weren't such a fanboy, you would have realized that i didn't just mention one arc. I literally mentioned FIVE arcs taking less time than Wano alone. Wano can be the longest arc however it shouldn't be longer than FIVE arcs COMBINED.
No limits
Only if the arc is long for no reason
Wano arc will be at least 130 chapter
Say untill the fight end 20 chapter
And 10 chapters to the secrets of ponyglyph and kuzoki clan
some guys talk about being long as a bad thing
The chemira ant arc and dressrosa etc
I really dont care about the length
But in the anime wano pacing is real shit
Only if the arc is long for no reason
Wano arc will be at least 130 chapter
Say untill the fight end 20 chapter
And 10 chapters to the secrets of ponyglyph and kuzoki clan
some guys talk about being long as a bad thing
The chemira ant arc and dressrosa etc
I really dont care about the length
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But in the anime wano pacing is real shit