General & Others Oda's Obsession With Originality and Shockvalue And Why The Story Suffers

#82
Whats so hard to understand about haki ???

I dont get that a part if the fanbase does understand nen, chakra but not haki
Whats so hard about it ?
Chakra is pretty basic too and have no rules
But nen is complex and well written
Haki is simple and well written
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Doflamingo? Katakuri? Even kaido is using the most durable zoan which is a devil fruit.
They are talking like the never watched one piece
 
#83
Are you defending Whitebeard’s decision not to avenge Oden? That’d be like if I said that Whitebeard shouldn’t have tried to save Ace, because Whitebeard himself said he had no interest in Roger’s legacy or the Pirate King title.

Whitebeard tried to save Ace because Ace was like a son to him. He should’ve tried to avenge Oden for the same reason.
Whitebeard didn't go after Blackbeard either.
Thatch and Oden were both dead which is different from Ace's case.
 
#84
Exactly, Oda should have established clear rules and limitations for haki. Look at stands or nen, you have range as a factor, environment, conditions, equal cost to reward etc. I think haki should have also been uniquely integrated to ones own devil fruit ability rather than be used the exact same way by everyone that would have added an element of personalization aswell as thought provoking fights where you and the character are trying to figure out how this ability functions using the parameters the author set. The best way to describe it is in dimensions, the devil fruit is two dimensional and haki makes it three dimensional its simply taking the same shape and making it more complex but you are not abandoning the shape itself kind of making it obsolete.
He really established clear rules for haki
And it was said many times along the series
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Whitebeard didn't go after Blackbeard either.
Thatch and Oden were both dead which is different from Ace's case.
Thats right
Beside leaving the crew
He wouldnt sacrifice his fleet lives for a dead man
 
#85
They are talking like the never watched one piece
They are talking like the never watched one piece
I think they are talking about devil fruits being the deciding factor in battles but luffy wins every fight by applying his devil fruit and haki. We had Cracker fight where the elemental counters was still In use, nami's rain and cracker's biscuit.
 
#87
headcanon.
This is not Hunter X Hunter
No this is one piece
Coo is like advanced En
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The point is that the fight wasn’t as simple as “I’m going to win by punching my enemy in the face”, there was more going on in those fights than that. Luffy vs Croc in particular, Luffy had to be a bit more creative in how he won that fight. Same with Luffy vs Magellan, he and Mr. 3 had to team up to succeed.

But team ups aren’t always going to be possible, and Luffy won’t always be able to exploit someone’s weakness. Enter Haki, the magic fight-winning powerup that will always be rewritten to be whatever it needs to be in order to defeat an opponent by repeatedly punching them in the face without any real ingenuity or brain power required, until Oda decides that they are done fighting and Luffy wins.

Haki itself isn’t a bad concept, what’s bad about Haki is that it only exists because Oda made it impossible on himself for Haki not to exist. He introduced invincible logias without knowing how he was going to have Luffy win against them, so then he wrote Haki as a non-specific and lazy solution. He made Kaido invincible without actually knowing how Luffy would win, so he had to write a flashback that destroyed Whitebeard’s character to explain the powerup that Luffy was about to get, and even then we still don’t really know what AdCoC is or how it works.

It’s another symptom of Oda establishing interesting storylines but not knowing how to resolve them.
How there are 5 people who liked this sh*t
 
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Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
#88
https://variety.com/2014/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ending-fans-guess-1201281422/

“I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that,” Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories and online speculation influence his writing process for the “Song of Ice and Fire”(...)"

If only Oda was like this. =/
 
#89
https://variety.com/2014/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ending-fans-guess-1201281422/

“I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that,” Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories and online speculation influence his writing process for the “Song of Ice and Fire”(...)"

If only Oda was like this. =/
Is this trolling? the whole series is constantly about harvesting seeded ideas and concepts, what could possibly make you think otherwise?
 
#90
https://variety.com/2014/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ending-fans-guess-1201281422/

“I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that,” Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories and online speculation influence his writing process for the “Song of Ice and Fire”(...)"

If only Oda was like this. =/
Give an example
An evidence
In one piece everything is planned and everything is connected
As i said Oda use the backward writing
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
#91
Is this trolling? the whole series is constantly about harvesting seeded ideas and concepts, what could possibly make you think otherwise?
You talking about the books or the show?
Because if you're talking about the books, you're tripping.
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Give an example
An evidence
In one piece everything is planned and everything is connected
As i said Oda use the backward writing
Sure.
You want some coffee as well, your majesty?
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Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
#94
I meant the Oda comment, assuming you implied Oda doesn't use clues that lead to outcomes would be weird since that's one of the strengths of the series, if you meant something else it went over my head.
All good, then.
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So dont talk without an evidence
I see you like a headholed hater
Connecting everything and planning everything is one of one piece strengths and you say it is one of its weaknesses ? What do you do in one piece forum ?
LMAO.
Well, you got me figured out already, so why ask? :P
 
#95
Give an example
An evidence
In one piece everything is planned and everything is connected
As i said Oda use the backward writing
Oda stated that he didn't know how Kaido would be defeated in the middle of writing Wano and the entire concept of the supernovas was something Oda never had planned until an editor told him. Now this is a problem since defeating Kaido is a pretty big god damn deal and the concept of the supernovas has become one of the main themes of Wano itself...…..and that's just what we know of there could be waaaaaay more that Oda has just improvised and changed along the way.
 
#96
Oda stated that he didn't know how Kaido would be defeated in the middle of writing Wano and the entire concept of the supernovas was something Oda never had planned until an editor told him. Now this is a problem since defeating Kaido is a pretty big god damn deal and the concept of the supernovas has become one of the main themes of Wano itself...…..and that's just what we know of there could be waaaaaay more that Oda has just improvised and changed along the way.
He didnt said “ i didnt know “
He said that him and luffy will find a way to beat kaido
This is Oda’s way , he always say things like that ,just a joke
And for the supernova he didnt say the he never planned of them
He knew that they would appear
He planned to put them
But only chose the names and character designs after that
But the concept was already planned
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Oda stated that he didn't know how Kaido would be defeated in the middle of writing Wano and the entire concept of the supernovas was something Oda never had planned until an editor told him. Now this is a problem since defeating Kaido is a pretty big god damn deal and the concept of the supernovas has become one of the main themes of Wano itself...…..and that's just what we know of there could be waaaaaay more that Oda has just improvised and changed along the way.
The editor just make him to change the time of appearance not to add things
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All good, then.
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LMAO.
Well, you got me figured out already, so why ask? :P
You really are dog
I realise it now
 
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#97
He didnt said “ i didnt know “
He said that him and luffy will find a way to beat kaido
This is Oda’s way , he always say things like that ,just a joke
And for the supernova he didnt say the he never planned of them
He knew that they would appear
He planned to put them
But only chose the names and character designs after that
But the concept was already planned
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The editor just make him to change the time of appearance not to add things
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You really are dog
I realise it now
I am telling you that Oda while yes has planned many things in the story he still has been influenced to change and add things in the story because of his editors and other reasons which we may never know. Yes Oda has the checkpoints of the story planned but not the steps to getting to those checkpoints, like he has the punchline but has yet to actually write the buildup to said punchline and that when coupled with the fact Oda has got so much on his plate(because of his own doing of course) leads to a lot of improvisation and ultimately.....inconsistencies. Its well known Oda came up with the supernovas in a couple hours due to an editors advise and also no he said explicitly that how Kaido would be defeated is yet a riddle he has not solved yet....well at that point in time at least.
 
#98
I am telling you that Oda while yes has planned many things in the story he still has been influenced to change and add things in the story because of his editors and other reasons which we may never know. Yes Oda has the checkpoints of the story planned but not the steps to getting to those checkpoints, like he has the punchline but has yet to actually write the buildup to said punchline and that when coupled with the fact Oda has got so much on his plate(because of his own doing of course) leads to a lot of improvisation and ultimately.....inconsistencies. Its well known Oda came up with the supernovas in a couple hours due to an editors advise and also no he said explicitly that how Kaido would be defeated is yet a riddle he has not solved yet....well at that point in time at least.
there is no ( lot of improvisation ) and there is no inconsistencies at all, as i said in one piece everything is planned , he adds just the small details , if there is inconsistencies give me an example
But sadly there isnt
And it isnt well known that oda came up with the supernovas in a couple of hours
It is just impossible
If there is a human who can make these characters in hours and fit them perfectly to a big story like one piece so he is higher than the human mind
But no he is just a genius
He even foreshadowed that x drake is working with the marines in sbs 8 years before he revealed it
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I am telling you that Oda while yes has planned many things in the story he still has been influenced to change and add things in the story because of his editors and other reasons which we may never know. Yes Oda has the checkpoints of the story planned but not the steps to getting to those checkpoints, like he has the punchline but has yet to actually write the buildup to said punchline and that when coupled with the fact Oda has got so much on his plate(because of his own doing of course) leads to a lot of improvisation and ultimately.....inconsistencies. Its well known Oda came up with the supernovas in a couple hours due to an editors advise and also no he said explicitly that how Kaido would be defeated is yet a riddle he has not solved yet....well at that point in time at least.
And he doesnt change anything for his editors , especially now
He is more popular than shonen jump itself
He may change the time of appearence
Not an event
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I am telling you that Oda while yes has planned many things in the story he still has been influenced to change and add things in the story because of his editors and other reasons which we may never know. Yes Oda has the checkpoints of the story planned but not the steps to getting to those checkpoints, like he has the punchline but has yet to actually write the buildup to said punchline and that when coupled with the fact Oda has got so much on his plate(because of his own doing of course) leads to a lot of improvisation and ultimately.....inconsistencies. Its well known Oda came up with the supernovas in a couple hours due to an editors advise and also no he said explicitly that how Kaido would be defeated is yet a riddle he has not solved yet....well at that point in time at least.
And for kaido point
Again oda wants to be mesteryious in his talking
It is a joke
 
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#99
https://variety.com/2014/tv/news/game-of-thrones-ending-fans-guess-1201281422/

“I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that,” Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories and online speculation influence his writing process for the “Song of Ice and Fire”(...)"

If only Oda was like this. =/
Oda isn't changing his story. The editors confirmed it and all his editors know the story
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Oda stated that he didn't know how Kaido would be defeated in the middle of writing Wano and the entire concept of the supernovas was something Oda never had planned until an editor told him. Now this is a problem since defeating Kaido is a pretty big god damn deal and the concept of the supernovas has become one of the main themes of Wano itself...…..and that's just what we know of there could be waaaaaay more that Oda has just improvised and changed along the way.
Oda is a troll and he talked about not knowing how to defeat kaido when kaido was introduced around chapter 800, the supernovas were introduced around chapter 500, so what you're saying doesn't make sense because the supernova came before kaido
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Oda stated that he didn't know how Kaido would be defeated in the middle of writing Wano
No he said that around 2015 as a joke and Wano started in 2018
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and the entire concept of the supernovas was something Oda never had planned until an editor told him
Oda didn't have the concept of the warlords either but they still fit in the story
 
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Oda isn't changing his story. The editors confirmed it and all his editors know the story
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Oda is a troll and he talked about not knowing how to defeat kaido when kaido was introduced around chapter 800, the supernovas were introduced around chapter 500, so what you're saying doesn't make sense because the supernova came before kaido
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No he said that around 2015 as a joke and Wano started in 2018
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Oda didn't have the concept of the warlords either but they still fit in the story
I see that he had the concept in his mind from the beginning but he removed it when he started the manga to make it finish quickly
But added it again when the manga succeded
 
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