Powers & Abilities Does Kaido or Big Mom have Ryuo or what?

[NAMELESS]

Do you see why I am having a hard time with these guys now? lmao, this is why they say half-knowledge kills. Funny thing is, Kaido fans don't even realize that they're basically admitting Base Luffy's physical stats are equal to that of Hybrid Kaido by stating their Haki prowess are equal.

Some of them are just trolling and being an ass just to provoke people!

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BM uses barrier..... but but BM can't use ryo

Hyogoro uses barrier/hyo but he couldn't teach luffy penetration haki(advanced coa)!Flow/barrier haki is not advanced:kuja warriors could do it,sentomaru,admirals,scabbards,etc...Advanced haki forms are rare and the most powerful!Advanced coa=penetration haki(what luffy and rayleigh did with the shackles)!

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Of course they have it using COA is not hard when you can use advanced COC

 

[NAMELESS]

He says it was too shallow i.e., the Haki that he learned from Hyogoro was too shallow and continued by stating the fact that he realized COC can be infused in attacks from Kaido's last attack which goes in line with Hyogoro's other panel of him saying Haki truly blooms in battle and then started using COC in conjunction with COA. In other words, the panel exists to remind us ADCOA wasn't enough to beat Kaido, That has no correlation with COC whatsoever.

You don't need ADCOA to infuse your attacks with COC. Zoro did it without ADCOA, as a matter of fact.

Thumbs up!The chapter Title is Conquerors Haki for fucks sake!

 

[Kejon]

Yonkos have the full package bruh

Of course they do. They're the strongest pirates in the world. They have all the three types of haki and some advanced versions of it. They also all have knowledge of CoC and how to properly use it.

 

[NAMELESS]

The chapter is Title Conquerors Haki for fucks sake!

Of course they do. They're the strongest pirates in the world. They have all the three types of haki and some advanced versions of it. They also all have knowledge of CoC and how to properly use it.

Okay,all of them have coo+coa+coc,but not all of them are masters of all three types like Luffy(and Shanks probably)!BM AND KAIDO only showed advanced conquerors haki(infusing it into blows)!Some people are saying they have future sight,flow/barrier and penetration coa!I think this would break the powerscaling,because they also have awakened devil fruits!So guys like Roger,Shanks and Garp wouldn't be able to compete with the yonko if they had advanced forms of all three types+awakened df!People are not realizing that!
Sidenote:flow/barrier coa might be needed to infuse COC into blows so they might have this type of coa,but not penetration coa(which is the advanced form)!

 

[Extravlad]

You buffoon before hitting kaido in chapter 1010 luffy is reminded internal destruction thing....and guess what he does after that....

Luffy has been using adv coa this entire time it being not that much useful before 1010

Stop trolling

Is Kaido retarded ?

He didnt know how Luffy managed to damage him with RED ROCK

Yet you're telling us he can use internal destruction ?

He can't even recognize a haki form that he has mastered?

 

[NAMELESS]

Is Kaido retarded ?

He didnt know how Luffy managed to damage him with RED ROCK

Yet you're telling us he can use internal destruction ?

He can't even recognize a haki form that he has mastered?

LMAO!This guy is trolling,man!!Ignore him!LOL

 

[Finalbeta]

That was just g2+basic coa!He physically touched the pacifista!Zoro and Sanji did the same!No hardening was shown!In the next chapters luffy used hardening against The Kraken!

Eh except you literally have Sentomaru screaming " he is using haki " when he does.

 

[NAMELESS]

Eh except you literally have Sentomaru screaming " he is using haki " when he does.

Read again what i wrote!I said luffy used G2 with basic armament haki=LVL.1coa/invisible!Hardening= LVL.2 coa/visible by black shading!
Luffy,Zoro and Sanji did use haki against the pacifistas!They just did not use hardening armament haki(lvl.2/visible with black shading)!

 

[Shisui]

@Shisui_038
hyougoro only knows the concept behind it

he doesn't know how to teach that ability because he doesn't have the required type of haki, only luffy has it which is CoC

he told luffy to keep doing it while he remembers how he did it the first time, so he can get used to it

luffy used it again to break yamato's cuffs, he needed to concentrate/deep focus

he still doesn't understand how it works so he does it out of memory
the same way zoro was using iai shishi sonson/rashomon, he doesn't understand that what he did was haki but he was capable of doing it from remembering the feeling of being close to death

that's how luffy was able to do it before understanding how it works
he was fighting kaido aside from the red rock attack he was mostly using regular ACoA because he doesn't have time for concentration
until kaido hit him with ragnarock then he figured it out

now he can easily do it without needing to deeply concentrate

On the wiki, it said internal destruction is an higher grade of emission technique which has nothing to do with CoC.
The same wiki also have the no touching ability under AdCoA.
"Whenever users of Emission Busoshoku Haki clash, the emitted Haki clash instead of the users making direct physical contact with one another, giving the impression that they do not touch at all."

Ngl, your explanation made much sense. Now it makes sense why Hyo said he couldn't teach him any further.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

No, they don't.
That's Adv CoC + Basic CoA.

Kaido doesn't even know about Adv CoA.

Btw, neither Oden probably know how to use Adv CoA since Kaido thought that Scabbards' Adv CoA was Adv CoC (he was wondering if it was like Oden's Haki).
Same for Roger and WB, there's no proof of them knowing Adv CoA (though Roger should know since he was God Tier, without a DF).

 

[sanjikun]

Of course the Yonkou have all types of advanced haki (CoO, CoA and CoC). Luffy has just learned those advanced forms now, too, and so he can match the top tier fighters. That easy.

Not true at all. Big Mom clearly doesn't have Future Sight. Katakuri had to tell her what was about to happen. Rayleigh even mentioned, amongst the strongest "a small number can look into the future".

If Big Mom and Kaido had all this stuff, then Shanks' character would have no business being there.

 

[MonsterKaido]

He says it was too shallow i.e., the Haki that he learned from Hyogoro was too shallow and continued by stating the fact that he realized COC can be infused in attacks from Kaido's last attack which goes in line with Hyogoro's other panel of him saying Haki truly blooms in battle and then started using COC in conjunction with COA. In other words, the panel exists to remind us ADCOA wasn't enough to beat Kaido, That has no correlation with COC whatsoever.

You don't need ADCOA to infuse your attacks with COC. Zoro did it without ADCOA, as a matter of fact.

Ok.........what luffy is using= What BM/Kaido used and adv coc >> adv coa

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Is Kaido retarded ?

He didnt know how Luffy managed to damage him with RED ROCK

Yet you're telling us he can use internal destruction ?

He can't even recognize a haki form that he has mastered?

Stop there admiraltard..........I never said about internal destruction.........What luffy used is same as What BM and kaido used in this chapter.........and since luffy is using/combining it with coc it makes sense for them to have it...........read the chapter again..........

Admirals won't have coc sorry

 

[Finalbeta]

There's no substantial reason to first believe that *all* the admirals won't unlock their CoC and weren't born with it and second that Kaido can likely use Ryou or even invisible barrier haki at this point.

 

[Aster]

Kaido and BM do not have ADCOA. That is the reason why Luffy is able to match Kaido in base even though Kaido is far stronger physically. He has ADCOA to compensate for the areas where he is lacking.

Thats a ridicolous claim lmfao

 

[NAMELESS]

Ok.........what luffy is using= What BM/Kaido used and adv coc >> adv coa

Post automatically merged: Apr 25, 2021

Stop there admiraltard..........I never said about internal destruction.........What luffy used is same as What BM and kaido used in this chapter.........and since luffy is using/combining it with coc it makes sense for them to have it...........read the chapter again..........

Admirals won't have coc sorry

Oda stated that Sengoku has COC!So Admirals can have it too!It would be disappointing if Sakazuki did not have it!

 

[MonsterKaido]

Oda stated that Sengoku has COC!So Admirals can have it too!It would be disappointing if Sakazuki did not have it!

Coc =/= adv coc and sengoku mostly has it.........akainu is 50-50 others no.......

 

[Geo]

What I am asking is, how is making the black lightning appear prior to the attack make it different from the exact same thing emanating from Luffy's leg during the attack?


Is the black-lightening emanating from BM before she hit PO and the black-lightning from her when he hit PO different things?

The difference is literally mentioned in your post. One is before and the other is after.

You can't say that it isn't implied that Big Mom used the same thing Luffy used when the panels are I identical in form and effect

Post automatically merged: Apr 25, 2021

Zoro did it without ADCOA, as a matter of fact.

How do you know that?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Thats a ridicolous claim lmfao

Which part of it though? The fact that base Luffy is weaker than Hybrid Kaido? or the fact that Luffy's COA is superior? Or the rationale that the difference in their COA is helping Luffy compensate in the areas he's lacking in?

How do you know that?

Because Zoro doesn't have internal destruction.

The difference is literally mentioned in your post. One is before and the other is after.

You can't say that it isn't implied that Big Mom used the same thing Luffy used when the panels are I identical in form and effect

You're basically saying I'll become a completely different person ten minutes into the future citing the time difference as a reason without giving an explanation about why I won't be me anymore and that doesn't make any sense. Like how on earth would the lightning effect before the attack suddenly turns into something entirely different while looking all the same?

Big Mom and Luffy are implied to be using the same thing as much as everyone with a black coating is implied to be using internal destruction armament.

Funny how you're trying to sell me the idea that Luffy and Big Mon are using the same Haki only because they look the same while arguing literally the same lightning effect from two different panels isn't the same thing lmao.

 

[Geo]

Because Zoro doesn't have internal destruction.

Again how do you know that? How will you tell if a swordsman is using internal destruction or not?

You're basically saying I'll become a completely different person ten minutes into the future citing the time difference as a reason without giving an explanation about why I won't be me anymore and that doesn't make any sense. Like how on earth would the lightning effect before the attack suddenly turns into something entirely different while looking all the same?

Big Mom and Luffy are implied to be using the same thing as much as everyone with a black coating is implied to be using internal destruction armament.

Funny how you're trying to sell me the idea that Luffy and Big Mon are using the same Haki only because they look the same while arguing literally the same lightning effect from two different panels isn't the same thing lmao.

That isn't what I'm saying. Your example isn't even comparable because it lacks the variable. My point is that you claimed there's no implication of Big Mom using the same type of Haki Luffy used whiles there are panels showing that what they did is entirely similar. How is that not an implication? That's like claiming that Zoro leaving a scar on Kaido does not imply that he used the same ability Oden did to achieve that scar.

Who are these everyone? Only a handful of characters have been shown to have the black leak/zap before an attack and all of those characters are implied to have internal destruction. *Examples Roger and WB

Except you are ignoring the point and comparison being made by conflating the two. The panel you tried claiming was the same didn't have the leaking before. Not to mention that Internal destruction has been used without coating. Which I have stated in the thread that it adds to the confusion.

If you agree that there are instances where we can't really tell which type is being used, then how can you factually claim that someone can't use it?