Rate Sanji new Elbaf outfit ?


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The Kizaru fight is teased for so much time for now (opening, fan expectation etc) that it is borderline canon for me haha but why not Greenbull. Every sanji fight is cool
Kizaru issue i see is, he might be strongest out of current 3 Admiral in which case makes it more like Zoro job to fight him.

Hopefully Oda shows somehow the Current Admirals are also at same level, since i wanted to See Sanji fight Kizaru at Top speed.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
Don't you think Current Sanji with RS might already be somewhere near Yc3?
Maybe he is but I don't want to overhype him and with only feats I place him around YC4. If we look at Jack, Cracker, or other YC3 I don't have the same vibe for now. And sanji didn't master fully the raid suit yet.

If Sanji solo queen he will reach YC2 but if it is a tag team with sanji being the finisher he will be solid YC3.
 
Maybe he is but I don't want to overhype him and with only feats I place him around YC4. If we look at Jack, Cracker, or other YC3 I don't have the same vibe for now. And sanji didn't master fully the raid suit yet.

If Sanji solo queen he will reach YC2 but if it is a tag team with sanji being the finisher he will be solid YC3.
Maybe that might be right step given WCI arc. Bt i think WCI settled Sanji to be someone who could match Veteran with base kicks. Hinting with HM or all out he could have been somewhere arround Snack.
And RS imo can give good enough jump to YC3 level or atleast close to it.

I think why Jack n RS Sanji feel diffrnt are main stats of Sanji are Invisibility n Speed. While Jack is physical monster with good offnse i suppose in. HYBRID form. To be able to defeat em, Sanji would need some offensive upgrade, which imo Hardening would provide to much extent and maybe an upgrade HM attack or something. Also DJ n HM are fuelled by Sanji emotions, bt since how he endured in WCI arc i believe these attacks might naturally be stronger here in Wano. Against Judge also his attack felt unusually brighter, given everything that went in head and with his. Emotions.

I think the way Sanji handled Pageone with base kicks and without RS in WCI
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Assuming he can use HM with the suit, yeah i'd say so

Also, i don't think Sanji will ever fight an Admiral. I think, come the final war, none of the Strawhats will - they'll fight the blackbeard pirates. The Admirals will fight guys like Law, Kidd, Sabo (dibs on Akainu) etc.
He should be able to, else his Wano fights are going to suffer. He wouldnt be at his best to fight Queen.

I doubt so and i got some strong reasons, bt since i have gotta for nw, i will engage you in this discussion later on.
 
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He should be able to, else his Wano fights are going to suffer. He wouldnt be at his best to fight Queen.

I doubt so and i got some strong reasons, bt since i have gotta for nw, i will engage you in this discussion later on.
Fairs man, looking forward to your thoughts

Well, is HM (no RS) stronger than RS (no HM)? Hypothetically, i would say no
 
Judge is the one character Sanji doesn't need to prove himself to though. Judge is human, unlike his other sons, so he has pride and will not give that up because of Sanji - whereas the others simply looked at Sanji as he is.

Sanji still fights with the black leg style. You know it's going to get modified by Franky or Usopp soon though, right? Like, he might wear the suit underneath his regular clothing, or the tech is incorporated into his suits and stuff etc. we just don't know yet.
But he is accepting that he is as weak as Judge makes him out.

Anyways the reason I hate it so much is that Sanji will be relying on a thing for power whilst before it was own strength. He doesnt seem like a hard worker anymore. Sure winning a fight with Raid Suit is good....but using own strength is better. If he wears it forever it shows that his own strength will never be good enough.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
WCI settled Sanji to be someone who could match Veteran with base kicks.
I think that Sanji would have beaten Daifuku and Oven but to be fair they didn't go all out too in a one and one fight.

I think that WCI sanji needs his DJ and to go full serious to beat them.

think why Jack n RS Sanji feel diffrnt are main stats of Sanji are Invisibility n Speed. While Jack is physical monster with good offnse i suppose in. HYBRID form. To be able to defeat em, Sanji would need some offensive upgrade, which imo Hardening would provide to much extent and maybe an upgrade HM attack or something
Yes they have different stat but for me Jack what's insane feats against Inu and Neko fighting 5 days against them while they could rest. And Cracker fighting G4, or Dofla (but it is a controversial one so I would let him aside even if I see him as YC3 too).

I can see guys like Neko or Inu destroying Page one easy and they are not YC3.

I agree that Sanji will need to master a little bit the RS with DJ etc and have good haki and now he will be solid YC3.

I always have problems to put someone too high when we don't have a lot of feats or not clear ones.

But yeah sanji with RS DJ invisibility and good Haki will be a beast.

Also DJ n HM are fuelled by Sanji emotions, bt since how he endured in WCI arc i believe these attacks might naturally be stronger here in Wano. Against Judge also his attack felt unusually brighter, given everything that went in head and with his. Emotions.
I agree but since Sanji will use the RS for now it will be difficult to really know what progress he made in base and what progress are due to the RS.
 
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I agree, Oda made it very clear in EL. Their difference is like the difference between Kaku and Jabura, Kaku is stronger however same level
Yeah man

I hate to say it but the guys who say Zoro negs Sanji aren't as bad as the guys who think Sanji is always equal to or stronger than Zoro - like, it's been made clear, with every fight, with every arc ever since Chapter 60 that Sanji is weaker than Zoro, but that they are close enough in strength for a very competitive rivalry to take hold and sustain itself
 
Yeah man

I hate to say it but the guys who say Zoro negs Sanji aren't as bad as the guys who think Sanji is always equal to or stronger than Zoro - like, it's been made clear, with every fight, with every arc ever since Chapter 60 that Sanji is weaker than Zoro, but that they are close enough in strength for a very competitive rivalry to take hold and sustain itself
Not really. Sanji defeated Kuroobi in Arlong Park who was First Mate. I guess you could say Alabasta...but even then Sanji has defeated the stronger opponent at times.
 
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