Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1012 Spoilers Discussion

[Abysmal]

Mr 2 was much easier for Sanji to beat compared to Zoro who had to overcome his limits, furthermore Mr 2's fruit exploited Sanji's non strength based weakeness to women.

A nerfed Sanji beat Jyabura easier than Zoro beat Kaku, and no, a 20 point difference is not worthy of two greater than symbols.

Sanji was more injured, by a lot, going into that fight and Zoro didn't do any damage either.
Zoro is Luffy's second OBVIOUSLY, but there is a large gap there, larger than that between second and third, just like there is a larger gap between Roger and Rayleigh than Rayleigh and Gaban.

They're not close post-TS, the gap between Zoro and Sanji waa closest in EL, after that its x100

 

[Hahasanji]

106.101 wasn't scared to post spoilers yet Redon won't post anything

really makes you think

Redon is a fraud, he only confirms
Everybody can do that

 

[Shisui]

It can still happen

No it aint. Her Dango don't work on Zoans

 

[Abysmal]

Redon is a fraud, he only confirms
Everybody can do that

if you can do that then do it.

 

[Hahasanji]

if you can do that then do it.

Bet

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Imprisoned in the Udon mines when a whole ass Marine couldn't keep him locked up permanently. I am pretty sure the citizens of Wano want that man and Orochi dead. Luffy is entitled to try and crush his dream but I doubt the citizens of Wano will agree to that.

We dont know the means of Kaidos escape. It appears as though after his defeat after Rox death he flew away before capture and we don’t know what his circumstance of escaping vegapunk was. (He wasn’t in impel down is all we know) And the people of Wano will go along with it if Momo says there will be no execution. Momo has been hurt due to this execution policy. This execution policy was what created orochi and kanjuro. I think Momo ending this circle of violence is going to be his first decree to show his maturity.

 

[Jackteo]

Redon is a fraud, he only confirms
Everybody can do that

Real

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

We dont know the means of Kaidos escape. It appears as though after his defeat after Rox death he flew away before capture and we don’t know what his circumstance of escaping vegapunk was. (He wasn’t in impel down is all we know) And the people of Wano will go along with it if Momo says there will be no execution. Momo has been hurt due to this execution policy. This execution policy was what created orochi and kanjuro. I think Momo ending this circle of violence is going to be his first decree to show his maturity.

Lmfffffao strongest Wano fighters are scabbards, Kaido eats the scabbards for breakfast with SeaStone
No one is stopping Kaido the grea

 

[Abysmal]

Lmfffffao strongest Wano fighters are scabbards, Kaido eats the scabbards for breakfast with SeaStone
No one is stopping Kaido the grea

The grea ?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Lmfffffao strongest Wano fighters are scabbards, Kaido eats the scabbards for breakfast with SeaStone
No one is stopping Kaido the grea

A chain of sea stone will. Since you know, sea stone is indestructible and he cant change form and it weakens him.

 

[WesMidnight]

Sure.

One gets stomped into the ground after casual nameless attack from YC1.
Another against a combined named move from two serious Yonko blocks it for enough time to let everyone being saved, and then tanks.

One plays bondage with a Tobi Roppo and bakes a cake.
Another challenges a Yonko 1 vs 1 without any help and breaks his guard, and leaves him with a scar just like Oden did (if not better).

Come on.
Be real.
Trying to put Sanji close to Zoro is RIDICOLOUS at this point.

And (Dark King) Rayleigh was so much closer to Roger than to (unknown) Gaban.
Ray called Roger partner, Gaban called him captain just like the rest of the crew.
Ray was the only person in the crew that Roger seeked to talk when he left, Gaban was greeted together anyone else.

Come on. Be real.

To pretend Sanji took more damage from that attack than Zoro took from Hakai is intellectually dishonest.
I'm not going to play the game of downplaying Zoro's feats this arc, I am fact checking specific claims from previous arcs.

Rayleigh is ultimately not a pirate king level character, he cannot take on people like WB or Garp, he gets relegated like the other subordinates in that regard, the fact that he has a strong emotional bond to Roger and was his right hand, doesn't mean Roger's left hand was far weaker.

Rayleigh was Luffy's teacher and is more plot relevant as a result, they were portrayed together as people who both thought they were going to challenge Oden.

 

[pg13]

They're not close post-TS, the gap between Zoro and Sanji waa closest in EL, after that its x100

Enies lobby is the only time it was that close, and honestly thats just us relying on that faulty doriki oda gave us........ Kaku was probably much stronger than Jabra after eating that Devil fruit.

Every other opponent they had outside of enies lobby, Zoro's guy was on a level above Sanjis guy. Mr. 1 and Mr.2 were levels apart, same with Absalom and Ryuma.

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

To pretend Sanji took more damage from that attack than Zoro took from Hakai is intellectually dishonest.
I'm not going to play the game of downplaying Zoro's feats this arc, I am fact checking specific claims from previous arcs.

Rayleigh is ultimately not a pirate king level character, he cannot take on people like WB or Garp, he gets relegated like the other subordinates in that regard, the fact that he has a strong emotional bond to Roger and was his right hand, doesn't mean Roger's left hand was far weaker.

Rayleigh was Luffy's teacher and is more plot relevant as a result, they were portrayed together as people who both thought they were going to challenge Oden.

Why couldn’t Kizaru take down old Rayleigh if Roger Rayleigh so far aprt

 

[Abysmal]

Enies lobby is the only time it was that close, and honestly thats just us relying on that faulty doriki oda gave us........ Kaku was probably much stronger than Jabra after eating that Devil fruit.

Every other opponent they had outside of enies lobby, Zoro's guy was on a level above Sanjis guy. Mr. 1 and Mr.2 were levels apart, same with Absalom and Ryuma.

Ye and Kaku was also a swordsman, doriki thing just confirmed that Kaku's body was stronger than Jyabura despite him being a swordsman, it's like saying Kaku can defeat Jyabura without swords

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

A chain of sea stone will. Since you know, sea stone is indestructible and he cant change form and it weakens him.

Fine if yo think thas stopping kaido
This is an empeor we rtalkimg about

 

[Shisui]

I would've hated that, but yeah the main reason i doubt ZKK is this is the ending of Momotaro

"Momotarō and his animal friends penetrated the demons' fort and beat the band of demons into surrendering. Momotarō and his new friends returned home with the demons' plundered treasure and the demon chief as a captive."

I doubt Oda is following the folklore's conclusion. Oda will definitely lose me as fan if he goes down this route.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Fine if yo think thas stopping kaido
This is an empeor we rtalkimg about

And we saw that Big Mom was trapped in sea stone earlier this arc. A fellow emperor were talking about.

 

[Salah WG]

Seeing how SHs are up against Ancient Zoans, that means they need Really Powerful Attacks to be put down for Good & not Recover.
Page One got Defeated thanks to a CoC Punch from BM herself. So Others need some really Insane Damage to be Defeated too

Page One ---> Big Mom's CoC Punch
Ulti ---> Most Powerful Zeus/Nami Attack + Usopp's Strongest Attack (Most Probably)
Black Maria ---> Most Powerful Attack of Robin & Brook Combined
Sasaki ---> Franky uses his New Weapon
Who's Who ---> Jinbe's Most Powerful Punch
Jack ---> Combined Attacks from Who?
Queen ---> Combined Attacks from Who?
King ---> Combined Attacks from Who?
Kaido ---> ZKK (+ Luffy's Strongest Attack ofc)

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I doubt Oda is following the folklore's conclusion. Oda will definitely lose me as fan if he goes down this route.

He did with Fishman Island

 

[Vicks Nosferatu]

And we saw that Big Mom was trapped in sea stone earlier this arc. A fellow emperor were talking about.

Surrounded by the calamities and flung 6 in the distant, no one in Wano is stronger than queen