Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1012 Spoilers Discussion

[rerere]

- Finishing Wano (how long will it take)
- Rest of the Journey (will Oda shortchange the journey or properly have them find the 4th RP and reach Lodestar?)
- Laugh Tale (will Luffy find everything out before the final war? If so that makes the story even longer)
- Final War (how big will it be? When will Oda begin to escalate it? Will Luffy become involved right away? Will it start earlier between future arcs? Will Luffy join after becoming PK and finding One Piece?)

I agree on all you said before, when it comes to these 4 points:
- Finishing Wano will take another year and more (15-30-60-30-15 pattern still can happen).
- Rest of the journey will follow with a Zou-like island right after Wano, something refreshing with a lot of info thrown in (which combined with the post-war infos will make the story go a good step ahead).
My opinion: SHs visit the island Ace and WB were buried, Marco and Weevil will have big roles here. This will give the setup with the Shanks-Blackbeard saga (just like Kaido-Linlin up to now, yeah I think Linlin will fall in this war). Marco will 'officially retire' after this and Weevil will finally have a proper role.
Later, we gonna reach Elbaf. Main characters SH aside? Urouge, Enel return, Loki. We're gonna have some real focus on Shanks and RHP either them being on the island too and having a real confrontation with the SHs on the island too or indirectl), Usopp developement.
My opinion: Thanks to Urouge we gonna get deeper into BB Pirates too even without them being there, Urouge will be a great character with huge character insight. Vegapunk could be at least nominated here, we'll get more info about him thanks to the giants. High chances of Road Poneglyph being here.
Then, an Hachinosu/something else arc (WCI style, sort of a bite-and-run) in which we finally clash with the BB Pirates. Moria will be an important character and Crocodile will have his reintroduction together with Das Bornes. Is the most "vague" in my mind so not gonna dig into it.
At "last" comes Lodestar, here a lot of shit will go down with a last proper confrontation between Luffy and Kidd, huge focus on Nami, Shanks will fall under Blackbeard at the same time. This will reduce the competitors from 4 to 2, both will straight go to Laugh Tale.
My opinion: Strawhats vs Kidd Pirates will be the real thing, I think we'll see some of the best fights in the manga. While Luffy vs Kidd will be a battle for who goes ahead, Teach vs Shanks will be Shanks attempt to reach Laugh Tale but failing. Two different kind of battles.

- Laugh Tale will be obviously the One Piece arc. Last pirate confrontation between SHs and BBP. Our boys will win, find the One Piece and learn the truth. Triggering the whole word.
My opinion: Lot of focus on all the SHs but particular attention on Luffy (obvious reasons) and Robin since from this moment her role really assumes heavy weight. The biggest info boost of the whole story. Huge step ahead for the end.

- Final war... longest arc in the story, heavy focus on the Revolutionaries with Dragon and Sabo. Vegapunk will be revealed too (I think that he's allied with the Revos), SWORD, WG, Navy, CP0. We'll basically be out of the 'pirate game', big pirates will still be fundamental in it.
My opinion: Will break 200 chapters, it will really close the deals and give an ending. It's useless to say anything else cause it's so faraway...

- Real ending, the closure of each SHs path and, in general, of the whole OP world. Will not be long and still be satisfying as hell.


FEEL FREE TO TDLR ME
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[axelthat]

Damn these spoilers taking hella time

 

[Finalbeta]

 

[Hiragaro]

Damn these spoilers taking hella time

What do you mean? They dropped last week durring a break week lol

 

[Abysmal]

Holy Jesus... how can Zoro vs Sanji even be an argument when since New World Started:

Zoro clowned and defeated an all-out Full Body Haki user, cutting a mountain in the process.
While the Cucksmoke was beaten (at his own game!) by a Full Body Haki user who didn't even feel the need to use Haki.

Zoro clashed with an Admiral, defending himself successfully, pushing the latter back and receiving his praise. Lanji got raped in 10 seconds by Doflamingo.

Zoro counters, stops and tanks named attacks and attempts from Yonkos, saves Luffy many times as a worth right hand, overpowers a Yonko's attack and wounds him (Tatsumaki). Has a Yonko scream in fear because of his attack to another Yonko (Hiryu Kaen). Saves everyone by blocking and then tanking a combined attack from two serious Yonko. In a weakened state openly challenges Kaido and manages to break his guard, blitz him and wound him, leaving a scar, all in a clean 1 vs 1 without no external involvement or help.
Meanwhile, Simpji was being stomped into the dirt by King's casual attack and then was playing bondage with a Tobi Roppo...

not since the new world since Zoro vs Oars in TB

 

[fanboy]

Sanji will unlock conquerors haki this arc, but he will only be able to tap into when he goes into "lady mode". This is so he can use it on men and women equally.

 

[axelthat]

What do you mean? They dropped last week durring a break week lol

The detailed summary I mean

 

[Paperchampion23]

The detailed summary I mean

That's the point. Last week we weren't supposed to get anything. Don't expect the Redon summary until Wednesday the earliest

 

[Brendan Schaub]

106.101 wasn't scared to post spoilers yet Redon won't post anything

really makes you think

 

[Shisui]

You belive zkk?

From day one, It is even in the bet thread @Prince Kronos made. Kaido serves no purpose after Wano. He needs to fall by Zoro blades seeing that's the only way to put him down permanently and there is also the PH Dragon foreshadowing and Ryuma's dragon feat. We also have Kaido begging for a glorious death. This is all pointing towards Zoro killing him
I might be slow in picking up clues and whatnot but Zoro killing Kaido is cut and clear imo.

 

[Watakuri]

Ngl, I almost had a fit when I saw Tama in the raid, I really thought she was gna feed Kaido a Kibi Dango and end the war.

It can still happen

 

[ThunderSupernova]

not since the new world since Zoro vs Oars in TB

To be honest, since forever.

Zoro entered the crew as an equal partner to Luffy.
Sanji entered the crew after being saved in a battle where all he could do was being a cheerleader.

Zoro made Arlong tremble in fear and immediately urge to try to kill once he realizes the conditons he was fighting in. Sanji made Arlong laugh.

Zoro defeated Mr 1. Sanji defeated Mr 2. Mr 2 was afraid that Mr 1 would kill him if Crocodile did sent the latter to punish him for failing the mission.

Zoro defeated Ohm while Sanji Satori. Ohm >>> Satori.

Zoro oneshotted Kaku with Ashura.
Sanji needed three Diable Jambe attacks (one tanked, one dodged, the last one is the winning) to defeat Jabra. And Kaku >> Jabra.

Zoro had a power up in Thriller Bark (Shusui) and defeated Zombie Ryuuma. Sanji had no power up in Thriller Bark and defeated Absalom who is <<<< Zombie Ryuuma (who was making Franky and Brook shit their pants).

Zoro was portrayed as Luffy's second and could perfectly dodge Kuma's lightspeed point bank attacks, and tag and wound him. Sanji failed to give Kuma any damage.

Then, Zoro was trained by Mihawk, while Simpji was trained by Emporio Ivankov lol... what were people expecting to happen??

 

[Sir Yasheen]

From day one, It is even in the bet thread @Prince Kronos made. Kaido serves no purpose after Wano. He needs to fall by Zoro blades seeing that's the only way to put him down permanently and there is also the PH Dragon foreshadowing and Ryuma's dragon feat. We also have Kaido begging for a glorious death. This is all pointing towards Zoro killing him
I might be slow in picking up clues and whatnot but Zoro killing Kaido is cut and clear imo.

The thing is Kaido doesn't need to be put down permanently, Luffy believes in this ideology. In Luffy's opinion breaking someone's will and crushing their dream is worst than any death. As such I think Luffy is going to ensure Kaido survives this war, and just as Kaido and Orochi held this whole big conference to show Oden's death, Luffy and Momo will hold a conference where Momo says that execution is no longer a form of punishment in Wano and that instead Kaido will be imprisoned in the Udon mines.

 

[Jaguark101]

It can still happen

No. Last chapter confirmed that Tama's dango only works on SMILE users not real Zoans.

 

[Peroroncino]

No. Last chapter confirmed that Tama's dango only works on SMILE users not real Zoans.

That's what Tama wants you to think

 

[WesMidnight]

Zoro defeated Mr 1. Sanji defeated Mr 2. Mr 2 was afraid that Mr 1 would kill him if Crocodile did sent the latter to punish him for failing the mission.

Zoro oneshotted Kaku with Ashura.
Sanji needed three Diable Jambe attacks (one tanked, one dodged, the last one is the winning) to defeat Jabra. And Kaku >> Jabra.

Zoro was portrayed as Luffy's second and could perfectly dodge Kuma's lightspeed point bank attacks, and tag and wound him. Sanji failed to give Kuma any damage.

Mr 2 was much easier for Sanji to beat compared to Zoro who had to overcome his limits, furthermore Mr 2's fruit exploited Sanji's non strength based weakeness to women.

A nerfed Sanji beat Jyabura easier than Zoro beat Kaku, and no, a 20 point difference is not worthy of two greater than symbols.

Sanji was more injured, by a lot, going into that fight and Zoro didn't do any damage either.
Zoro is Luffy's second OBVIOUSLY, but there is a large gap there, larger than that between second and third, just like there is a larger gap between Roger and Rayleigh than Rayleigh and Gaban.

 

[Jaguark101]

That's what Tama wants you to think

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Mr 2 was much easier for Sanji to beat compared to Zoro who had to overcome his limits, furthermore Mr 2's fruit exploited Sanji's non strength based weakeness to women.

A nerfed Sanji beat Jyabura easier than Zoro beat Kaku, and no, a 20 point difference is not worthy of two greater than symbols.

Sanji was more injured, by a lot, going into that fight and Zoro didn't do any damage either.
Zoro is Luffy's second OBVIOUSLY, but there is a large gap there, larger than that between second and third, just like there is a larger gap between Roger and Rayleigh than Rayleigh and Gaban.

Sure.

One gets stomped into the ground after casual nameless attack from YC1.
Another against a combined named move from two serious Yonko blocks it for enough time to let everyone being saved, and then tanks.

One plays bondage with a Tobi Roppo and bakes a cake.
Another challenges a Yonko 1 vs 1 without any help and breaks his guard, and leaves him with a scar just like Oden did (if not better).

Come on.
Be real.
Trying to put Sanji close to Zoro is RIDICOLOUS at this point.

And (Dark King) Rayleigh was so much closer to Roger than to (unknown) Gaban.
Ray called Roger partner, Gaban called him captain just like the rest of the crew.
Ray was the only person in the crew that Roger seeked to talk when he left, Gaban was greeted together anyone else.

Come on. Be real.

 

[Finalbeta]

7000 posts and we barely got any content

The power of the Internet

 

[Shisui]

The thing is Kaido doesn't need to be put down permanently, Luffy believes in this ideology. In Luffy's opinion breaking someone's will and crushing their dream is worst than any death. As such I think Luffy is going to ensure Kaido survives this war, and just as Kaido and Orochi held this whole big conference to show Oden's death, Luffy and Momo will hold a conference where Momo says that execution is no longer a form of punishment in Wano and that instead Kaido will be imprisoned in the Udon mines.

Imprisoned in the Udon mines when a whole ass Marine couldn't keep him locked up permanently. I am pretty sure the citizens of Wano want that man and Orochi dead. Luffy is entitled to try and crush his dream but I doubt the citizens of Wano will agree to that.