Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1012 Spoilers Discussion

[Taper]

i think he’ll give momo and Hiyori the confidence to strike down orochi themselves while healing

That would be a good way to wrap up that plotline too, also is a great character moment for Zoro, definitely a good possibility. And I guess the future shogun slaying the tyrannical current shogun makes sense too.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You're underestimating how hurt Zoro is right now,

Let me ask, if Oda says Chopper and Marco heal up, are you gonna complain? Like will you riot that thats too unrealistic that Zoro can fight king now?

Do you jave some explicit measure of how much chopper and Marco should be able to do no matter what?

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Imagine Mihawk or Zoro using their legs to fight for no reason and losing their sword to a pistol shot
Top Tier swordsmanship right here

that's why oda need to nerf zoro with enma and break him 20 bones

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

expect Zoro to continue his plot with Orochi.

So you want Zoro to cut off Orochi’s last head.

so you were lying. You said “there’s more to Zoro’s character than fighting” but what you meant was “Zoro’s character is all about fighting BUT not calamities, no he should fight fodder instead”

Be more clear please.

 

[Taper]

Let me ask, if Oda says Chopper and Marco heal up, are you gonna complain? Like will you riot that thats too unrealistic that Zoro can fight king now?

Do you jave some explicit measure of how much chopper and Marco should be able to do no matter what?

Well it's more so about how much Oda is stressing the seriousness of his injuries that makes it different than other occasions he's been hurt. The Hakai moment was a pure sacrifice play from Zoro no different when he took Luffy's pain, that can't just magically be resolved over the course of 2 chapters without any lasting effects because it takes away from the gravitas of that moment.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

So if zoro gets healed and extreme diffs king are you guys still gonna say Zoro>Marco and pre king fight zoro>katakuri?

What do you think?

zoro near to dead>king

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Well it's more so about how much Oda is stressing the seriousness of his injuries that makes it different than other occasions he's been hurt. The Hakai moment was a pure sacrifice play from Zoro no different when he took Luffy's pain, that can't just magically be resolved over the course of 2 chapters without any lasting effects because it takes away from the gravitas of that moment.

Okay but Marco is still there. Hasnt Oda stressed the seriousness of Marco’s healing abilities as well?

i’m gonna ask again, If Oda says Marco used his miraculous healing flames to return Zorp to fighting condition, are you for some reason gonna say that this is ridiculous and impossible?

 

[Taper]

So you want Zoro to cut off Orochi’s last head.

so you were lying. You said “there’s more to Zoro’s character than fighting” but what you meant was “Zoro’s character is all about fighting BUT not calamities, no he should fight fodder instead”

Be more clear please.

Love how you completely ignored the rest of my comment.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

King will apparently be Zoro's biggest opponent in the story thus far.....a man who has not (in the context of this arc) been impressive whatsoever with a sword nor has he been stated to be the best swordsman of the beast pirates like Kaku for example; had his own named style (Yontoryu) and relied solely on it when facing a truly formidable Zoro who could defeat him. Zoro attains nothing from a King fight as a swordsman. Imagine the biggest swordsman enemy Zoro has ever faced being someone who was disarmed by Izo and confronted a Yonko without his "trusty" sword in hand. If King was a feared swordsman who was later revealed to have a black blade then this would tie in nicely to Zoro's progression where he would attain his own Black blade during his fight with King to finally overcome him; like cutting steel, revealing Ashura or attaining Shusui, these were all steps forward to his dream attained through facing formidable swordsmen who he personally sought out (Kaku, Ryuma). The reason Zoro wanted to face Kaido was simple; Kaido is the toughest and I want to cut the toughest, makes sense for a person trying to reach the peak of swordsmanship. I would have loved for Zoro to face King......if he was regarded as the best sword user in Wano who for example defeated a hundred masters trained personally under Hyogoro, who he himself constantly alludes to the ferocity of Kings swordsmanship and that none's blade is enough to overcome his........imagine that.....truly I would be the first to root for Zoro vs King if this were to be the case.

if king has black sword shanks must commit suicide

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Love how you completely ignored the rest of my comment.

So you werent lying?

I dont get it. What more is there to Zoro’s character? You said there was more didnt you? Is this true or not?

Hell, even I could think of something. Gags. I thought you were implying Zoro is going to be doing gags for the next 30 chapters like he is Sanji or something.

So even i could think of “More to Zoro’s character” but when i asked you what it is, you said he’ll fight fodder instead.

So your idea for “More to Zoro’s character outside of fighting” is “Zoro fights Orochi”

Am i mistaken in this being your final analysis of Zoro’s character?

 

[Taper]

Okay but Marco is still there. Hasnt Oda stressed the seriousness of Marco’s healing abilities as well?

i’m gonna ask again, If Oda says Marco used his miraculous healing flames to return Zorp to fighting condition, are you for some reason gonna say that this is ridiculous and impossible?

Marco's healing ability is also dependent on Marcos condition which I don't think is great based off the fact he's been holding off 2 top ranking commanders for most of the raid, furthermore his healing drains a persons Stamina, the higher the injuries the higher the cost so you can't ignore the conditions of this ability. To your second point, yes, it would be bad writing because the Hakai moment would be reduced to "oh wow I was in a lot of pain to protect all these people now I am magically fine HAHA",...see how bad that sounds?.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

There is and Oda calls it Marco. Get those healing flames Zoro.

Zoro vs King incoming.

 

[Taper]

So you werent lying?

I dont get it. What more is there to Zoro’s character? You said there was more didnt you? Is this true or not?

Hell, even I could think of something. Gags. I thought you were implying Zoro is going to be doing gags for the next 30 chapters like he is Sanji or something.

So even i could think of “More to Zoro’s character” but when i asked you what it is, you said he’ll fight fodder instead.

So your idea for “More to Zoro’s character outside of fighting” is “Zoro fights Orochi”

Am i mistaken in this being your final analysis of Zoro’s character?

I said he would have his moment with Hyori and Orochi THEN maybe deal a significant blow to Kaido possibly saving Luffy in the process.

 

[Paperchampion23]

İ dont belive Sanji match Queen and Zoro match King by alone. Some people maybe help them but not 1 vs 1. Because 2 of them not there yet actually.

Technically this seems like the case already. Izo and Kawamatsu probably will pair off with them and help, similarly Denjiro should go an assist Franky. I do expect them to all fall at some point and the Strawhats take care of the actual fighting

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if king has black sword shanks must commit suicide

He doesn't, we know this already from the times it's been unsheathed.

 

[Finalbeta]

if king has black sword shanks must commit suicide

Yes that's why I see almost 0 chance for that to come to fruition.

 

[Arrow]

Let me ask, if Oda says Chopper and Marco heal up, are you gonna complain? Like will you riot that thats too unrealistic that Zoro can fight king now?

Do you jave some explicit measure of how much chopper and Marco should be able to do no matter what?

1) Neither Chopper or Marco can instantly heal a broken bone, let alone 30. If Oda suddenly decides to change it now, then he shouldn't have made Zoro broken his bones in the first place.

2) My matchups were strictly about the other SHs and seeing their full strength, Zoro already showed us his full strength.

 

[MonsterZoro]

 

[Taper]

Technically this seems like the case already. Izo and Kawamatsu probably will pair off with them and help, similarly Denjiro should go an assist Franky. I do expect them to all fall at some point and the Strawhats take care of the actual fighting

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He doesn't, we know this already from the times it's been unsheathed.

I can't believe you people thought I was saying King has a black sword...…I was saying that IF that were to be the case then a fight between him and Zoro would be more meaningful. I mean one of the main elements to this arc is Ryou, so what's the problem; Zoro attaining his own black blade in the land of Wano during a fight against the strongest swordsman he's faced to date would make a lot of sense. Sadly King isn't that and that's why I don't think this fight is happening.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Marco's healing ability is also dependent on Marcos condition which I don't think is great based off the fact he's been holding off 2 top ranking commanders for most of the raid, furthermore his healing drains a persons Stamina, the higher the injuries the higher the cost so you can't ignore the conditions of this ability. To your second point, yes, it would be bad writing because the Hakai moment would be reduced to "oh wow I was in a lot of pain to protect all these people now I am magically fine HAHA",...see how bad that sounds?.

Zoro wasnt taken out by Hakai. Dude, he kept fighting after that, cutting prometheus then cutting kaido and he was still hit by Thunder bagua AFTER that and he is ALREADY conscious. Like after a bunch of bandages the man is already conscious again unlike Luf who gets knocked out for days after fighting Doffy.

So i dont get why you are harping on about Hakai being some momentous occasion when it barely mattered IN THE FIGHT immediately after it hit Zoro. Geez Luffy actually got knocked out by ragnarok yet Zoro didnt get knocked oht by Hakai but we are supposed to assume Hakai was a momentous situation that will reverberate for Zoro for the rest of the arc.

So, no, you are pulling your agenda to over inflate what Hakai should matter to the actual plot. And yes, your agenda is that Zoro shouldnt fight king. I read your post about it. Its very clear you have an agenda.

Let me remind you of the agendas in chapter 998 in case you werent in the community back then. All the people against Zoro going to the roof were like “Its taken Luffy 10 chapters to go to the roof, its bad writing if Zoro can just Zip his way to the roof in under a chapter. It makes luffy’s journey there with Jimbei and Sanji look like it was a waste of time”

People were saying this in the exact chapter when Fuckin Marco Arrived and asked whether the strawhats want to go to the roof. Every form of “its bad writing” argument just appeared. Suddenly everyone was a critic of good and bad writing specifically because of their agendas like you. Even if Marco were to TRY to take Zoro to the roof, King and queen should be strong enough to prevent it. Its BAD WRITING IF KING AND QUEEN CANT STOP ONE YC1 who is carrying another person

Yada yada yada. I’ve been on this road before of everyone claiming bad writing based on their agendas. The arguments wont end until Oda does THE OBVIOUS THING

Marco arrives at the same time as Zoro says he needs a lift to the roof, So Marco takes Zoro to the roof

Zoro wakes up injured and they should go the Live floor where Marco the miracle healer is, So lets just wait for the Obvious to happen again.

Easy. You will claim this is bad writing up until it happens or even after it happens and it wont matter. This is all just your agenda. I’ve seen this all before ma guy.

 

[Vinsmoke Ichiji]

People still hoping for 1vs1

Y'all really think SH > Kaido Pirates

They wouldn't have made alliance if that was the case