The flow goes “we’ll see how many we can take out“, then gigantic double spread, of the attack, then the main event being Zoro blocking that massive attack, then Big Mom says “impressive, they managed to get away.”
The logical conclusion as to what impressed Big Mom was it was Zoro, making it possible for the others to get away. Absolutely no one reading that chapter thought “god, look how amazing and graceful Killer’s diving roll out of the way of the attack was.”
They got away solely because of Zoro. Zoro’s actions were what was impressive.
But then she would say "pirate hunter,impressive he lasted enough for the others to escape" not undermining his (Zoro's) tanking by just saying they got away.
They got away because of Zoro's actions sure,Big mom's words in no way confirm Zoro took it though,and yes i(myself) will have to overanalyse Linlin's words to reach that conclusion.
But then she would say "pirate hunter,impressive he lasted enough for the others to escape" not undermining his (Zoro's) tanking by just saying they got away.
They got away because of Zoro's actions sure,Big mom's words in no way confirm Zoro took it though,and yes i(myself) will have to overanalyse Linlin's words to reach that conclusion.
The block itself was highlighted and fully given its due respect. But then he redirects such a massive attack and no respect given to such a massive feat?
Who said he redirected it? That’s not what I’m arguing at all. Zoro holds the block briefly, then it goes through him and that’s where he takes the damage.
But then she would say "pirate hunter,impressive he lasted enough for the others to escape" not undermining his (Zoro's) tanking by just saying they got away.
They got away because of Zoro's actions sure,Big mom's words in no way confirm Zoro took it though,and yes i(myself) will have to overanalyse Linlin's words to reach that conclusion.
and the ambiguous part is whether Law teleported zoro along with himself
What if Law did teleport zoro, but only after zoro took the attack? That might explain why Big Mom did not specifically comment on zoro taking the attack and why on the other hand Law said zoro took it.
You might ask why did Law teleport zoro only after zoro took the attack. Well, imo it happened so fast that it's so hard to think clear, that explains why Law didnt shamble himself immediately right after hakai was launched
Why does this even need a thread? It’s obvious law shambles him an everybody else. There’s no logical reason to shambles “just himself”.
The attack has island size aoe, kid/killer jumping to the side. not a logical explanation for them taking Zero damage from that attack. An meme suggests they dodge the attack, no mention by her or Kaido of it being stopped/tanked.
I think law power is limited, he cant just move everyone at a momment.
He just calculate who need moved the most, n thanks to zoro he blocked the attack n law save zoro before he killed by that attack.
Where you impressed by the Worst Gen in the Hakai scene?
Who said he redirected it? That’s not what I’m arguing at all. Zoro holds the block briefly, then it goes through him and that’s where he takes the damage.
I assumed them being able to escape the trajectory of that attack without any shambles intervention is if Zoro managed to alter its course in some way, by opposing it. Maybe redirecting is a bit of an exaggeration.
If the attack was made to be such a problem that even Luffy with FS couldn't move out of its path given a head start, how would holding the attack for a second allow Kidd and Killer to move out of the way of an attack that widespread? They didn't even look like they had a scratch on them.
Regardless, we've have Kaidou and Big Mom hyping up and praising the Supernova for far less.
I think law power is limited, he cant just move everyone at a momment.
He just calculate who need moved the most, n thanks to zoro he blocked the attack n law save zoro before he killed by that attack.
him redirecting and then fully taking the combined full power attack of 2 Yonkou, something not even a top tier (aka Oden) should be guaranteed to do, is just glossed over by them? Literally just spread the credit of getting away to the rest of them for an individual feat of that magnitude? Hard to buy that.
I think law power is limited, he cant just move everyone at a momment.
He just calculate who need moved the most, n thanks to zoro he blocked the attack n law save zoro before he killed by that attack.
I don’t anything at all that suggests it’s ambiguous as to what Zoro did. There’s a reason that Zoro is currently in the state he’s in- the attack hit him. He was only able to block it for a second that allowed everyone else to get away. That’s exaclty what Kid and Law said happened.
And Oda did comment on how impressive it was that Zoro did what he did.
Big Mom’s “they got away, eh? Very impressive.” That’s not praise to anyone other than Zoro, because Zoro’s the only reason anyone got away and Big Mom and Kaido both saw that Zoro was the one who blocked the attack.
Kid complimenting Zoro- I think that’s the only time in the entire raid that tsundere king Kid has actually praised anyone
Killer asking Zoro if he could manage, obviosu implication being that he doesn’t really think he could take that attack and fight on.
Law’s statement of “how is he still fighting? That last attack could have shattered every bone in his body!” Which is... really self-explanatory.
And we’ll see what is said when the story gets back to Zoro under the roof, because it’s obvious he’ll need treatment.
Where’s the ambiguity? What suggests that anything other than Zoro tooking the attack took place? How come Oda decided to have everyone on the roof other than Luffy and Kaido talk about Zoro taking the attack and not a single person mentioning the vitally important step of Law ssving Zoro’s life? Is the problem that Zoro doing the thing wasn’t impressive enough, we also need to have Kaido fall over himself wanking the feat as well?
What I’m going with is what actually happened.
Attack is launched, Oda makes sure to mention through Killer that there’s no way to get out of the way of it
Attack is blocked by Zoro. We see the attack being held off by Zoro in the top panel, Big Mom and Kaido react in the middle, Zoro telling everyone to get out of the way in the bottom
Next set of panels, Oda shows everyone moving. Law is using Shambles cause that’s how he moves himself
Panel after, Zoro can’t hold the block any longer, attack follows through.
Brief view of the environment, Big Mom says it was impressive, then we have Kid giving us the timeframe
Later on, Law confirms that Zoro took the attack, he didn’t just block it
All this paints a pretty obvious picture- the attack was over and done with in seconds. It’s not like Law was standing about for minutes watching Zoro hold off the attack and did diddly squat about it. The attack was launched, Zoro briefly blocked it, everyone panicked and ran, he couldn’t hold the block any longer and the attack wiped him out. That’s what all the dialogue and images show.
Law’s supposed intervention is complete fantasy. It would have been too important a step to have been missed out entirely by Oda, when a single line of dialogue or image could have told us what happened. Law didn’t do it because everything happened so fast, he reacted to save himself. Over and done with in a second, that’s what Kid tells us- brief block, everyone bolts, Zoro gets hit. Hence the should-be broken bones and the coughing up blood and the collapsing in a heal. Nothing suggests it was blocking the attack that did that, Law, the surgeon, said it was the attack hitting him that did it. And didn’t think “good thing I got you out of the way so it didn’t actuaylly hit you, eh?”
It’s not the first time in the raid that Law has only used his fruit to save himself from a wide-spread attack, leaving a heavily disadvantaged Zoro to fend for himself either
If it’s so easy for Law to move everyone around like pieces in a chessboard, why isn’t he doing it there?
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I have to question whether it would even be possible for Law to move Zoro there.
Law literally just told us just before Hakai what everyone should have known- strong Haki blocks Law’s powers. That’s why he can’t move the Yonko about.
Do people not think that at that moment Zoro is using every ounce of his Haki to block Hakai? Is there any reason to think that Law could move Zoro in that state? Zoro’s got better Haki than Law does anyway- Haki has never been emphasised as a particular skill of Law’s, Zoro on the other hand has all three forms and is capable of permanantly wounding Kaido using it- and if Haki blooms in extreme circumstances, it must have blooming a hell of lot there.
The argument sucks, whatever way I look at it. Non existent scenes, non existent dialogue, questions over wheter it’s even possible for Law to do it. All the panels and the dialogue support Zoro blocking the attack for a second, getting hit, Law does zilch.
These aren't meant to be singled out panels of Kid and Killer trying to dodge, Luffy standing there looking at the blast, Zoro getting blasted, and Law using shambles. They are all grouped together with Law in the middle using Shambles. If we are to take them at face value and view them individually, then if Law only used shambles on himself, then that means Luffy didn't dodge the attack at all.
So either Luffy took Hakkai as well, with practically no damage accrued , or as the paneling suggests, with Law in the middle using shambles, and the others in the scene with him, then that explains how Luffy got out of there.
These aren't meant to be singled out panels of Kid and Killer trying to dodge, Luffy doing nothing, Zoro getting blasted, and Law using shambles. They are all grouped together with Law in the middle using Shambles. If we are to take them at face value and view them individually, then if Law only used shambles on himself, then that means Luffy didn't dodge the attack at all.
So either Luffy took Hakkai as well, with practically no damage accrued , or as the paneling suggests, with Law in the middle using shambles, and the others in the scene with him, then that explains how Luffy got out of there.
What if, in this hypothetical scenario, getting hit by the car doesn't wreck them instantly and it starts dragging them under to kill them. AND you have a magical power to save them without risk so that they at least survive even if they can't get up and stop other cars from hitting you. That's the scenario for Law.
Btw Zoros bones are broken due to sheer force of him stopping power of Hakai for several seconds.
Yall understand Oden blocked an attack 1000s of times weaker from Roger and was still bloody..Zoro blocking country level attack with his swords and deflecting it would push Zoro or even someone like Kaido to his brink.
Considering How poorly Oden took Roger's weak ass attack, blocking Hakai would K.O him for sure
Zoro tanking all of the attack doesn't make sense tho cuz
a)Why weren't others effected unless Law teleported everyone but Zoro
b)If Law teleported everyone but Zoro he is both retarded and a dick head
What if, in this hypothetical scenario, getting hit by the car doesn't wreck them instantly and it starts dragging them under to kill them. AND you have a magical power to save them without risk so that they at least survive even if they can't get up and stop other cars from hitting you. That's the scenario for Law.
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