Questions & Mysteries POLL Did Law teleport Zoro while Zoro was engulfed in Hakai

[Garp the Fist]

I assumed them being able to escape the trajectory of that attack without any shambles intervention is if Zoro managed to alter its course in some way, by opposing it. Maybe redirecting is a bit of an exaggeration.

If the attack was made to be such a problem that even Luffy with FS couldn't move out of its path given a head start, how would holding the attack for a second allow Kidd and Killer to move out of the way of an attack that widespread? They didn't even look like they had a scratch on them.

Regardless, we've have Kaidou and Big Mom hyping up and praising the Supernova for far less.

It was the speed and power of Hakai that was such a threat, the way I read it. The width wasn’t as much a problem.

You can see in the bottom left picture that the attack wasn’t that wide

The problem was the Worst Gen were all grouped together, so the attack would hit them all, and it moved so fast they had no chance to get out the way. And obviously it was really, really strong.

So it all happens in near enough a split second, Luffy basically says “shit, huge attack coming!” Zoro jumps in the way, everyone else takes that time to dodge, Zoro can’t hold the block any longer and it goes right through him. Exactly what Nik says here

Blocks the blast FULLY for one second, the other 4 duck down, then the blast engulfs him and breaks his body.
How hard is that?

 

[Fn Lucci]

and the point is?

That all of the unrealistic factors in this instance detach it from the comparison to a real life happening.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Btw I am considering how ever anime portrays this scene as canon..its their job to fill gap in manga

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I think Zoro blocked the attack and slightly tilted the trajectory upwards so attack doesn't hit anybody

Besides that whether or not Law teleported anybody is ambiguous but it makes logical sense that he did..he'd be a dickhead if he didn't.

But Zoro not deflecting attack upwards Don't make sense either as initially attack was launched straight.

The reason why the attack is trajecting upwards is because upon initial force of them launching the attack, it tilted Onigashima.

So when the Island straightened out, the blast is still following the trajectory it was on.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

The reason why the attack is trajecting upwards is because upon initial force of them launching the attack, it tilted Onigashima.

So when the Island straightened out, the blast is still following the trajectory it was on.

This makes such little sense this its not even worth replying lol

 

[nik87]

The reason why the attack is trajecting upwards is because upon initial force of them launching the attack, it tilted Onigashima.

So when the Island straightened out, the blast is still following the trajectory it was on.

I have seen lots of mental gymnastics but you win today.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Zoro tilting Onigashima with Hiryuu Kiren actually makes sense from paneling perspective but we don't talk about that

 

[imacub]

That all of the unrealistic factors in this instance detach it from the comparison to a real life happening.

what do you mean by unrealistic factors? im sorry but i still dont get your point

Bill asked me why would Law teleport zoro if zoro already took the attack

and i answered to assure zoro's safety, and i used a small comparison to support my claim

And again, im sorry, my brain is heated rn, my brain is probably working so slow rn lol

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

This makes such little sense this its not even worth replying lol

The scene literally shows Onigashima tilted, with the blast radius pointing upwards at an angle.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

My Interpretation:

1. Zoro blocks Hakai for 30-120 seconds, maybe even more.
2. Kidd and Killer run away as fast as they can.
3. Law teleports himself and Zoro.

Zoro blocked most of the attack but he didn't tank the entire attack.

 

[Garp the Fist]

My Interpretation:

1. Zoro blocks Hakai for 30-120 seconds, maybe even more.
2. Kidd and Killer run away as fast as they can.
3. Law teleports himself and Zoro.

See that’s the complete opposite of what I think happened. I think it was all over and done with in like 2 seconds max.

If it took a long time, then of course Law had to have moved Zoro, it would make no sense for him to just sit back and admire what was happening.

But I took it as a split second, every reacts instinctively kind of thing. That’s why Kid says it was impressive Zoro blocked, even if it was only for a second.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

See that’s the complete opposite of what I think happened. I think it was all over and done with in like 2 seconds max.

If it took a long time, then of course Law had to have moved Zoro, it would make no sense for him to just sit back and admire what was happening.

But I took it as a split second, every reacts instinctively kind of thing. That’s why Kid says it was impressive Zoro blocked, even if it was only for a second.

In my opinion Zoro blocked the attack and tilted it and effort of doing so broke his bones..it would break any top tiers bones including Kaido imo cuz attack is 2 times (likely) more than power of Kaido.

Then Law teleported him after Zoro deflecting it

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

See that’s the complete opposite of what I think happened. I think it was all over and done with in like 2 seconds max.

If it took a long time, then of course Law had to have moved Zoro, it would make no sense for him to just sit back and admire what was happening.

But I took it as a split second, every reacts instinctively kind of thing. That’s why Kid says it was impressive Zoro blocked, even if it was only for a second.

idk if it was only a second. It looks like Kidd, Killer and Luffy jumped away while Zoro was blocking it. That would take way longer then a second even with anime speed. I could be wrong though

 

[ZenZu]

It was the speed and power of Hakai that was such a threat, the way I read it. The width wasn’t as much a problem.

You can see in the bottom left picture that the attack wasn’t that wide

The problem was the Worst Gen were all grouped together, so the attack would hit them all, and it moved so fast they had no chance to get out the way. And obviously it was really, really strong.

So it all happens in near enough a split second, Luffy basically says “shit, huge attack coming!” Zoro jumps in the way, everyone else takes that time to dodge, Zoro can’t hold the block any longer and it goes right through him. Exactly what Nik says here

Idk It's the size of the attack which was the main issue here.

Again Luffy has FS and even he felt helpless in that situation, with his speed if the attack was as narrow as you claim I don't see why it would be such a threat to him when he has seconds ahead of time to dodge (especially when that extra second was enough for Kidd and Killer to dodge).

The blast radius also tells a different story, it was really widespread.

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I think the red line is where Zoro briefly halted the attack, but you can see it's reach was much more than that (green arrows pointing at the chips) spreading all the way to those cliffs on the far left. That's several hundreds meters wide, lowballing it.




Here's what I think happened: Attack was too widespread and coming too fast at the same time, normally Law could just use shambles to get himself or everyone else to safety, but to escape the radius of the blast he needed more time to make a larger room that extends outside of the blast range. Zoro bought him that time.

If the attack was any less widespread, Law shouldn't have had a problem escaping with Shambles (he reacted to a point blank club swing of hybrid Kaidou), the attack was already telegraphed, it's not exactly thunder bagua levels of speed here.

 

[Yoru]

Law lets Zoro eat the whole thing then moves him, lol.

The supernova just duck. Because Kaido+ Big Mom = Joe Louis


This doesn't go along with his regular feats. Like moving all the Scabbards at once.

He can move all SN member on the roof, but he is on his last breath after all. He need to save his power at very last, how high is his power toll is i dont know. But if he can use it without limit its too OP right?

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Not sure where u got that from, but it’s wrong. Law literally just moved 9 people at once to start the fight...

He can do it, but he need to save his power till the end to make the success of this fight higher. He is smart person after all, he is not thinking like luffy. He got plan before n after fight.

 

[Zenos7]

The thing is i will actually need to overanlayse the panels to reach your conclusion.

From the flow of Big Mom's line; "Impressive,they managed to get away",it sounds like she is talking about the five Sn.

Law asking Zoro if he is still alive,can be him caring for Zoro after he gave them an opening of Some seconds before being shambled away.

That is how i always took that line even though it is no solid evidence Law did indeed shamble him.

Reaching, meme comments on the novas dodging. No logical explanation was given here to explain why she comment on that. But say nothing of Zoro directly.

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So did Meme/Kaido just decide to wait until the novas regroup before speaking?? What about Law himself, if he got there first. Why’s he just checking on Zoro? This panel implies barely anytime actually passed.

Also how tf hell Kid/killer reach Zoro the moment Law does? Or dodge at all for that matter...

too many holes to fill.

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in the officials she is phrasing that more as a question. which makes sense as they didnt see jack shit and only base their comments on the SNs voices not having gone out.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

There's also the fact that Luffy just witnessed Zoro take an attack that could kill him (an attack hyped up to take out all of them including Luffy himself), and didn't even care to check up on him, not a single reaction to the greatest endurance feat in One Piece?

This was his him right after. All smiles.

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And people will say it's because he trusts his strength or whatever weak excuse they want to come up with, but in the same fight Zoro took an attack several times weaker, and this was his reaction.

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There are too many odd outliers in that scene that don't flow naturally to give enough respect to the feat that was just pulled off, Oda loves to glamourize such moments, I don't think I've ever seen Oda write such a massive feat in such a manner if it turns out Zoro did that all by himself.

The fact this poll is so one sided speaks for itself on how badly this feat was botched if what the minority is saying is true.



Except they literally did care that he managed to block their attack for 2 seconds

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The block itself was highlighted and fully given its due respect. But then he redirects such a massive attack and no respect given to such a massive feat?

Something any top tier could do in their sleep was being hyped up by Big Mom

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Yet him redirecting and then fully taking the combined full power attack of 2 Yonkou, something not even a top tier (aka Oden) should be guaranteed to do, is just glossed over by them? Literally just spread the credit of getting away to the rest of them for an individual feat of that magnitude? Hard to buy that.

1. Luffy knows Zoro not going to die, He literally says it he will get through anything. Zoro seen Luffy take a Ragnarok to the grill and said Luffy then went about his business. He didn't even go attack Kaido.
2. Cause Zoro was probably right in front of him. He already sees Zoro on the floor and knows he ok
3. THE PERSON YALL WHOLE ARGUMENT RELIES ON SAID ZORO TOOK THE ATTACK. YOU GUYS HAVE LITERALLY NOTING TO STAND ON.

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It's instances like these where paneling is important.

http://imgur.com/v4X1oTv

These aren't meant to be singled out panels of Kid and Killer trying to dodge, Luffy standing there looking at the blast, Zoro getting blasted, and Law using shambles. They are all grouped together with Law in the middle using Shambles. If we are to take them at face value and view them individually, then if Law only used shambles on himself, then that means Luffy didn't dodge the attack at all.

So either Luffy took Hakkai as well, with practically no damage accrued , or as the paneling suggests, with Law in the middle using shambles, and the others in the scene with him, then that explains how Luffy got out of there.

LAW SAID HE TOOK THE ATTACK

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro seemingly took the blast and since a barrier was presumably set given the position of the blast and Zoro's swords this implicates that Zoro most likely took the explosion.

If Zoro was teleported that was most likely *after* taking the force straight on, but that's a different kettle of fish. The issue is that Law most likely attempted to teleport the novae before the energy blast exploded, so at best he was probably still teleported after taking the force anyway, and Law didn't manage to be quicker due room times. An explosion acts very rapidly, doubt he took it partially.

 

[ZenZu]

1. Luffy knows Zoro not going to die, He literally says it he will get through anything. Zoro seen Luffy take a Ragnarok to the grill and said Luffy then went about his business. He didn't even go attack Kaido.
2. Cause Zoro was probably right in front of him. He already sees Zoro on the floor and knows he ok
3. THE PERSON YALL WHOLE ARGUMENT RELIES ON SAID ZORO TOOK THE ATTACK. YOU GUYS HAVE LITERALLY NOTING TO STAND ON.

This was Zoro after Luffy took ragnarok.

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Despite not being in the near vicinity, half dead, and tasked with taking out prometheus, he still took the time to acknowledge what happened, Oda still gave us a reaction shot. Because it was that deadly of a blow.

And then he followed up with this

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Forget about death for a moment, he didn't believe Luffy was getting back up, he tasked the rest of the battle to Law.

Stop the lame excuses for why Luffy didn't even acknowledge what happened.

 

[Herrera95]

Let me say this, FS of Luffy is not as strong as FS of Katakuri. Katakuri could see 5 seconds ahead. Not sure about Luffy but I bet is not 5 seconds already.