Character Discussion Why Post-time skip Luffy is trash (Wano)

Is Luffy's character and plot trash


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#61
1. The fact is, Luffy has far more reasoning to defeat Kaido then Zolo does. Say what you want about Ace being shoehorned in to give Luffy another reason to face Kaido, but the fact is he has more then enough reason to. Zolo's connections with Ryuma, or any sort of parallels Zolo may have with Oden, don't hold a candle to the reasons why Luffy instead should defeat Kaido.

Just take a look at their motives. Zolo's motive for defeating someone stronger then him is, as per usual, little more then to grow his own personal strength and pride of self. Zolo says to Queen, "THEY SAY KAIDO'S THE TOUGHEST GUY IN THE WORLD, SO I'M HERE TO DEFEAT HIM!"...Zolo just wants another shiny in the trophy-room, another battle won, another inch closer to his dream of attaining some worthless strength-based title.

But what are Luffy's motives? Luffy cares less about his own satisfaction and his fufilling his own bloodlust, and more about actually solving an issue. Luffy wants to liberate an entire country and deliver redemption on behalf of not just Kinemon, not just O-Tama, not just the Red Scabbards, but all of Wano and those who have suffered under Kaido's tyrannical rule.

It's the same reason Oda had Luffy be the one to defeat Doflamingo rather then Law himself. Sure, Law had more history with Doflamingo and personal motivation to take him down, but his reasoning and anguish towards Doflamingo was through his own conceited and vengeful lens for the torment Doflamingo had inflicted upon him and Corazon. But the reality is, Law & Corazon were not the only ones who suffered under Doflamingo, so to did millions of people across Dressrosa for the entirety of his rule, millions of which Law did not care about. Luffy on the other hand wasn't there to burn bridges, he was there to open gates and liberate Dressrosa, just like here in Wano.


2. Rayleigh himself described haki as a "flower that blooms only in the extreme conditions of real battle.". Luffy gaining a haki-boost makes perfect sense in a situation as dire as this one, a boost that allows him to fight more evenly, we saw this in Luffy vs Katakuri where he get's an observation haki-bloom, it's the same situation.

3. "unsure of their reason to fight" lol ok :giogio: they got shigan'd and thrown across town, it was a neg-diff


4. "Had it not been for his recklessness" The fact is Luffy realizes he cannot fight both Yonko at once and, at this moment, he has far more reason to face Kaido right now then Big Mom. The only feasible option for him is to ignore her until someone else disposes of her, as we saw happen when Kid, Law, Zoro and Killer removed her from the battle.


5. Zolo didn't bully the yonko anymore then Raizo did deflecting & harming Kaido with his own attack, and if we want to talk about seperating the Yonko, I believe it was Kid & Law who disposed of Meme herself. Zolo merely took care of Prometheus which isn't even threatening, in fact all of Big Mom's most powerful attacks have come from Napoleon. You want to talk about who was the driving force in Roofpiece, look at Law who had to teleport everyone out of harm's way for Zolo's Hakai block to be of any usage. Kaido himself showed far more irritation towards Law, saying "YOUR ABILITIES REALLY THROW ME OFF!", where Zolo couldn't even make Kaido fall to his knees, something Luffy is currently doing in BASE FORM!


Poor broken-bones Zolo, as of 1012 even he doesn't believe he will kill Kaido, entrusting such a task to his captain and his captain alone.
1. Forget about Zoro's history with Wano, Hiyori, Kuina, Ryuma, Tama, and Yasuie? Zoro was and is hell bent on destroying Kaido on behalf of everyone in Wano. Zoro has more reason to defeat Kaido. Also, Zoro is a character based on strength, why shouldn't he want to defeat a so called "strongest".


2. You can't even accept how shitty the process was. Luffy got hit HEAD-ON by an attack meant to put him out of commission. Oda made it clear early in the fight, that Luffy should avoid these. Yet, when it does happen, instead of being put out of the fight, he gains an ability to allow him to clash evenly with Kaido in base. Not to mention the haki strength and speed inconsistency used to achieve this.




3. Yes, they were unsure of their reason to fight. Go read it friend.


4. Luffy not owning up to his mistake essentially. Trash character.


5. Zoro bullied them. Zoro was the catalyst for every shocker moment that wowed us and the Yonko. He had answers for all of their attacks without resorting to guts or natural df causes. He was the reason for Kaido to go hybrid. He was the reason Big Mom stopped underestimating them. He was the only one who put fear in both Kaido and Big Mom simultaneously. He embarrassed them while carrying Luffy and the other supernova. He solely dealt with the deadly force of Two emperors simultaneously. He was the reason for Kaido to start huffing and puffing. He almost killed Big Mom despite having broken bones. He bullied Kaido despite having broken bones.




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#62
1. Forget about Zoro's history with Wano, Hiyori, Kuina, Ryuma, Tama, and Yasuie? Zoro was and is hell bent on destroying Kaido on behalf of everyone in Wano. Zoro has more reason to defeat Kaido. Also, Zoro is a character based on strength, why shouldn't he want to defeat a so called "strongest".
2. You can't even accept how shitty the process was. Luffy got hit HEAD-ON by an attack meant to put him out of commission. Oda made it clear early in the fight, that Luffy should avoid these. Yet, when it does happen, instead of being put out of the fight, he gains an ability to allow him to clash evenly with Kaido in base. Not to mention the haki strength and speed inconsistency used to achieve this.




3. Yes, they were unsure of their reason to fight. Go read it friend.


4. Luffy not owning up to his mistake essentially. Trash character.


5. Zoro bullied them. Zoro was the catalyst for every shocker moment that wowed us and the Yonko. He had answers for all of their attacks without resorting to guts or natural df causes. He was the reason for Kaido to go hybrid. He was the reason Big Mom stopped underestimating them. He was the only one who put fear in both Kaido and Big Mom simultaneously. He embarrassed them while carrying Luffy and the other supernova. He solely dealt with the deadly force of Two emperors simultaneously. He was the reason for Kaido to start huffing and puffing. He almost killed Big Mom despite having broken bones. He bullied Kaido despite having broken bones.




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What a contradictory post. Nothing less expected from trash fanbase of a trashiest character.
 
#66
Where do you get Yamato is 2nd strongest and me saying Yamato is stronger than Luffy?
Stop being a dumbass.
I've said it before; Luffy > Yamato.... You're idiocy knows no bounds.
I was pretty sure that you can't become even more stupid after blatantly claiming "Yamao 2nd strongest"
But now you indirectly say that "Luffy is the strongest Straw Hat".
Congrats you just break your own limit!
 
#70
Shit reasoning there from you. It's zoro who is often critized for being "trash", and yet suddenly when it comes to other character then it's all good because of popularity poll. Backpedal.
That is the point. Zolo fans feel bad when Zolongets criticized and at the same time they trashtalk other characters for similar reasons.

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Britney Spears and Donald Trump are popular. What does that tell you about popularity?
Retarded comparison. Nothing less from you.
 
#73
Either you are claiming Yamao is above Luffy or Luffy is above Zoro. Both choice will make you look as retarded as the girl in your avatar, so pick your poison.
Always knew you were a dumbass... and you keep confirming it.
I told you, Luffy > Yamato, that's literally what I mean when I said Yamato 2nd strongest...
So shut the fuck up. Just because you say something doesn't make it facts... get off that high horse, jackass. And attacking someone's avatar with little to no reason... how petty and just reveals that your just a small little man.
 
#74
Always knew you were a dumbass... and you keep confirming it.
I told you, Luffy > Yamato, that's literally what I mean when I said Yamato 2nd strongest...
So shut the fuck up. Just because you say something doesn't make it facts... get off that high horse, jackass. And attacking someone's avatar with little to no reason... how petty and just reveals that your just a small little man.
I get it.
Not only you say that Luffy the Deadweight is stronger than Zoro the Weekly Messiah, but you also claim that Yamao the Braindead is also stronger than him.

I was wrong for saying you are as retarded as the girl in your avatar. You are not, actually you are more retarded than whoever the girl in your avatar is. That makes your dumb level is Yamao level.
 
#75
I get it.
Not only you say that Luffy the Deadweight is stronger than Zoro the Weekly Messiah, but you also claim that Yamao the Braindead is also stronger than him.

I was wrong for saying you are as retarded as the girl in your avatar. You are not, actually you are more retarded than whoever the girl in your avatar is. That makes your dumb level is Yamao level.
Stop crying like a little bitch. It's annoying.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#76
I get it.
Not only you say that Luffy the Deadweight is stronger than Zoro the Weekly Messiah, but you also claim that Yamao the Braindead is also stronger than him.

I was wrong for saying you are as retarded as the girl in your avatar. You are not, actually you are more retarded than whoever the girl in your avatar is. That makes your dumb level is Yamao level.
I would like to witness the contrived non logic behind Yamato > Zoro claims for example.
 
#79
Yes, but it was also stated Zoro can interchange with Luffy because he too can do what Luffy does (minus power of friendship). Luffy can't defeat Kaido with punches, Kaido is to be killed. No worries though, ZKK is inevitable, I'm not worried about that. The only special thing about Luffy is his ability to gather people and getting them to do his bidding. And that, THAT is what is being challenged as all of post-ts.
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Good one.:cantseeme::cantseeme::cantseeme:
Where did Luffy state that Zoro can do what Luffy can? Luffy never stated that. Luffy stated he cant do swordsmanship like Zoro can, but he can beat Arlong while Zoro cannot. The same in this arc. Luffy capable of gathering allies doesn't change the fact that Luffy is the strongest one who can beat the final boss Zoro can never do, like Arlong or Crocodile or Doflamingo or Kaidou.
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Zolo fans are in the first place to troll Luffy because he was dependent on his crew mates or others during most of his post TS fights. Now they are talking crap out of their ass.
I really annoyed by that trolling or overcomplaining culture towards Oda's writing that happens only whenever Luffy overshines Zoro in powerlevel, but never when Luffy makes dumber mistakes compared to Zoro. Its like since Mihawk stated Luffy has power to make friends then we should depend on that to make Luffy's concept as a baby always depending on babysitters when it comes to combat.
 
#80
Zoro is built different, it was established early on the serious, Zoro can take anything. Go cry!
no wonder why you're crying with that self-centered egotistical subjective lunacy
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Britney Spears and Donald Trump are popular. What does that tell you about popularity?
they are not Monkey D. Luffy... and not everyone who has biases for them votes others as well... like i said majority of the fanbase likes luffy by default and will vote for him with their biased character.. or they just consider luffy to be a 🐐🐐 which is true either way.. since he is the crux to his crews development
 
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