Character Discussion If Zoro was stronger than Luffy why is he still following Luffy as his subordinate?
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You do make some valid points but you made it sound like Zoro has no role but to fight in the Crew. My point was Zoro is the unofficial first mate, If Luffy gets incapicated, the leadership role would automatically shift to Zoro.
Luffy normally ask Sanji to cook for him, I have also seen him ask Nami to navigate, not once has he asked Zoro to fight an arc villian for him. Zoro can get strong but I feel as long as he is a crew member of the SHPs, Luffy would always haki bloom his way one step ahead of Zoro by grinding through arc bosses after arc bosses. What exactly is Zoro doing differently than Luffy, training was his thing and now Luffy is starting to train his Haki as well. The only way I can see Zoro truly surpassing Luffy is if he leaves the crew or start fighting the arc bosses which we all know ain't gna happen.
Luffy's initial goal wasn't to be strong till he saw his brother die & saw his crew yeeted across the OP verse. He said that himself.
Mihawk was waiting for someone stronger than Shanks cos Shanks is a swordsman. If Mihawk was really about it and wanted to fight a stronger combatant than Shanks, he woulda walked down to Kaido and challenge him. We all know Kaido loves a challenge.
Ryuma is just built different. Ryuma was the world's strongest man period.
Luffy normally ask Sanji to cook for him, I have also seen him ask Nami to navigate, not once has he asked Zoro to fight an arc villian for him. Zoro can get strong but I feel as long as he is a crew member of the SHPs, Luffy would always haki bloom his way one step ahead of Zoro by grinding through arc bosses after arc bosses. What exactly is Zoro doing differently than Luffy, training was his thing and now Luffy is starting to train his Haki as well. The only way I can see Zoro truly surpassing Luffy is if he leaves the crew or start fighting the arc bosses which we all know ain't gna happen.
Luffy's initial goal wasn't to be strong till he saw his brother die & saw his crew yeeted across the OP verse. He said that himself.
Mihawk was waiting for someone stronger than Shanks cos Shanks is a swordsman. If Mihawk was really about it and wanted to fight a stronger combatant than Shanks, he woulda walked down to Kaido and challenge him. We all know Kaido loves a challenge.
Ryuma is just built different. Ryuma was the world's strongest man period.
Do you think that among all the crew members, Zoro is the only one who is not better than Luffy at his respective job?
Why is Zoro the only exception, in that case?
Why has the inferior fighter left a permanent injury on Kaido with 3 attacks while the superior couldnt with 50+ attacks?
Why is the weaker guy protecting the Supernovas from the island buster?
When has Oda established that Zoro is not allowed to be stronger than Luffy?
Why is Zoro the only exception, in that case?
Why has the inferior fighter left a permanent injury on Kaido with 3 attacks while the superior couldnt with 50+ attacks?
Why is the weaker guy protecting the Supernovas from the island buster?
When has Oda established that Zoro is not allowed to be stronger than Luffy?
never said he followed him because he is stronger
I implied he wouldnt follow someone who is weaker/less competent than he is
next time
read a bit more carefully
a statement like this highlights
just that . zoro constantly needs luffy to prove why he is the captain in the crew, both in demeanor in the usopp situation and yes in strength. No lapses.
here's to your love of vivrecards too
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Fuck outta here, don't disrespect Zoro's character to push your powerscaling agenda."
lol
from the same bloke who made a thread crying about people who disagreed with him
you dont want to get in a war of words with me mate
I will gladly put you on another timeskip.
I implied he wouldnt follow someone who is weaker/less competent than he is
next time
read a bit more carefully
a statement like this highlights
just that . zoro constantly needs luffy to prove why he is the captain in the crew, both in demeanor in the usopp situation and yes in strength. No lapses.
here's to your love of vivrecards too
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Fuck outta here, don't disrespect Zoro's character to push your powerscaling agenda."
lol
from the same bloke who made a thread crying about people who disagreed with him
you dont want to get in a war of words with me mate
I will gladly put you on another timeskip.
Here is the panel where is your headcanon here ?
Here is the panel where is your headcanon here ?
am sure you are aware sentence structure can change
and mean the same thing
so tell me how that doesnt imply luffy's strength is an aspect zoro needs to see in his captain or he will have to step down.
I told zowo I was waiting and he never came through
since you did
you can explain it to me
am waiting.
tell me the difference between that comment and the one stated in the what i posted in meaning
am sure you are aware sentence structure can change
and mean the same thing
so tell me how that doesnt imply luffy strength is an aspect zoro needs to see in his captain or he will have to step down.
I told zowo I was waiting and he never came through
since you did
you can explain it to me
am waiting.
am sure you are aware sentence structure can change
and mean the same thing
so tell me how that doesnt imply luffy strength is an aspect zoro needs to see in his captain or he will have to step down.
I told zowo I was waiting and he never came through
since you did
you can explain it to me
am waiting.
Luffy used CoC and Zoro said he had better do that or i would be the captain meaning using CoC is something needed for someone to be Zoro's captain now give me where CoC helped Luffy from FMI to WCI and made him win that fight ? Or wait Kid is a conqueror he should be stronger than Zoro guess whose feats strike here the CoC user or Zoro who blocked Hakai so they can run away and scarred Kaido for life .
At least be consistant with ur arguments here or you want me to body u by using Oda's manga again ?
Zoro wanted to switch places with luffy to fight an admiral despite seeing that this is his captain who defeated Doffy but got trashed easily against Fuji he thought himself he could do better than his captain so you said that Zoro wouldn't follow a captain who is weaker than him why we have here Zoro believing he can fight better than him against an Admiral who made Luffy looking like clown ?
Zoro and Luffy are the leaders and founders of the StrawHat Pirate Crew.
Neither is above the other in terms of rank. With that being said, Zoro had always been stronger and more lethal than Luffy. That's just facts. Not even this new AdvCoC asspull will be able to change that as Oda needed to nerf the man by making him block and tank the strongest attack in the series and he was still kicking and even went on to permanently scar Hybrid Kaido.
In terms of endurance, durability and also AP Zoro is far superior. Just wait until he fully recovers, comes back stronger than before due to his Saiyan nature and turns ZKK into reality.
The rest of the crew are all subordinates of Luffy and Zoro, btw.
Neither is above the other in terms of rank. With that being said, Zoro had always been stronger and more lethal than Luffy. That's just facts. Not even this new AdvCoC asspull will be able to change that as Oda needed to nerf the man by making him block and tank the strongest attack in the series and he was still kicking and even went on to permanently scar Hybrid Kaido.
In terms of endurance, durability and also AP Zoro is far superior. Just wait until he fully recovers, comes back stronger than before due to his Saiyan nature and turns ZKK into reality.
The rest of the crew are all subordinates of Luffy and Zoro, btw.
Or you are just making shit up ?
Luffy used CoC and Zoro said he had better do that or i would be the captain meaning using CoC is something needed for someone to be Zoro's captain now give me where CoC helped Luffy from FMI to WCI and made him win that fight ? Or wait Kid is a conqueror he should be stronger than Zoro guess whose feats strike here the CoC user or Zoro who blocked Hakai so they can run away and scarred Kaido for life .
At least be consistant with ur arguments here or you want me to body u by using Oda's manga again ?
Zoro wanted to switch places with luffy to fight an admiral despite seeing that this is his captain who defeated Doffy but got trashed easily against Fuji he thought himself he could do better than his captain so you said that Zoro wouldn't follow a captain who is weaker than him why we have here Zoro believing he can fight better than him against an Admiral who made Luffy looking like clown ?
Luffy used CoC and Zoro said he had better do that or i would be the captain meaning using CoC is something needed for someone to be Zoro's captain now give me where CoC helped Luffy from FMI to WCI and made him win that fight ? Or wait Kid is a conqueror he should be stronger than Zoro guess whose feats strike here the CoC user or Zoro who blocked Hakai so they can run away and scarred Kaido for life .
At least be consistant with ur arguments here or you want me to body u by using Oda's manga again ?
Zoro wanted to switch places with luffy to fight an admiral despite seeing that this is his captain who defeated Doffy but got trashed easily against Fuji he thought himself he could do better than his captain so you said that Zoro wouldn't follow a captain who is weaker than him why we have here Zoro believing he can fight better than him against an Admiral who made Luffy looking like clown ?
statement is
" He had better be able to do that much or he will have to step down as captain. "
Necessary conclusion /meaning
in both translations you call "headcanon" because sentences have to be exactly the same to mean the same thing apparently.
luffy's strength and competence is a factor in why zoro keeps following him or he would have to step down.
that panel shows its more than just blind loyalty
zoro has expectations his captain must meet
in strength
in commanding his crew as seen in usopp argument prets
etc
the rest of what you wrote is endless drivel and bears no context to what my argument was .
quote someone else with that.
never said he followed him because he is stronger
I implied he wouldnt follow someone who is weaker/less competent than he is
next time
read a bit more carefully
a statement like this highlights
just that . zoro constantly needs luffy to prove why he is the captain in the crew, both in demeanor in the usopp situation and yes in strength. No lapses.
I implied he wouldnt follow someone who is weaker/less competent than he is
next time
read a bit more carefully
a statement like this highlights
just that . zoro constantly needs luffy to prove why he is the captain in the crew, both in demeanor in the usopp situation and yes in strength. No lapses.
A casual off hand comment while bantering with Sanji doesn't take precedence over this scene:
Zoro was prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice.
- He discarded his life
- He discarded his pride
- He discarded his ambition
- He discarded his honour
- His promises to Kuina, to Luffy and to Mihawk.
Zoro is completely devoted to Luffy:
- Luffy being weaker than Zoro does not change that.
- Luffy being equal to Zoro does not change that.
- Luffy being stronger than Zoro does not change that.
Regardless of where Luffy stands in relation to Zoro combat ability wise, Zoro's devotion to Luffy will remain absolute.
here's to your love of vivrecards too
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That's not my point though. I wasn't arguing that Zoro is currently stronger than Luffy. I was arguing that the claim that Zoro will not follow Luffy if Luffy was weaker than him is disrespecting Zoro's character, and it is.
Lol. I don't care for schoolyard posturing.
Nah. Zoro has laid down his life for Luffy's several times. Luffy being weaker than Zoro wouldn't change anything regarding their relationship.
A casual off hand comment while bantering with Sanji doesn't take precedence over this scene:
Zoro was prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice.
Zoro is completely devoted to Luffy:
Regardless of where Luffy stands in relation to Zoro combat ability wise, Zoro's devotion to Luffy will remain absolute.
As far as I'm aware, the sentence can also be translated as "next to" and doesn't strictly imply that Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
That's not my point though. I wasn't arguing that Zoro is currently stronger than Luffy. I was arguing that the claim that Zoro will not follow Luffy if Luffy was weaker than him is disrespecting Zoro's character, and it is.
Lol. I don't care for schoolyard posturing.
A casual off hand comment while bantering with Sanji doesn't take precedence over this scene:
Zoro was prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice.
- He discarded his life
- He discarded his pride
- He discarded his ambition
- He discarded his honour
- His promises to Kuina, to Luffy and to Mihawk.
Zoro is completely devoted to Luffy:
- Luffy being weaker than Zoro does not change that.
- Luffy being equal to Zoro does not change that.
- Luffy being stronger than Zoro does not change that.
Regardless of where Luffy stands in relation to Zoro combat ability wise, Zoro's devotion to Luffy will remain absolute.
As far as I'm aware, the sentence can also be translated as "next to" and doesn't strictly imply that Zoro is weaker than Luffy.
That's not my point though. I wasn't arguing that Zoro is currently stronger than Luffy. I was arguing that the claim that Zoro will not follow Luffy if Luffy was weaker than him is disrespecting Zoro's character, and it is.
Lol. I don't care for schoolyard posturing.
till luffy shows lapses in commanding his crew and in competence
why does this moment hold more weight than others
they coexist
zoro follows luffy and will continue to believe in his ambition blindly but luffy must meet his standard
this is from the manga mate
dont pick and choose with me
". I was arguing that the claim that Zoro will not follow Luffy if Luffy was weaker than him is disrespecting Zoro's character, and it is."
he wouldnt
he has expectation for how strong luffy has to be
explained here
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" He had better be able to do that much or he will have to step down as captain. "
Necessary conclusion /meaning
luffy's strength and competence is a factor in why zoro keeps following him or he would have to step down."
"Lol. I don't care for schoolyard posturing."
then dont fire the first shot
and quote me without telling me the extra garbage
am supposed to let you tell me get the fuck out ?
lmao
Nice try
He saw Luffy showing CoC and he said he has to do that much to be my captain so about CoC nothing else and what you say it's just a bunch of headcanons to twist it to your arguments .
• You have CoC you are my captain this is what he said you aren't a CoC user i'm gonna be the captain now show me where did the CoC used to be a factor in deciding the fight from FMI to WCI ? Kid is a CoC user before Zoro showed it what feats did he have for him to push it past mid diff against All out Zoro ?
Your reasoning is just that bad while the statement is clear ; you are a CoC user you are my captain but is this can be used to say he is stronger than him ? Oh kid is a coc user and do the math again .
No loyality here though .
This is a challenge .
Fuji clapped Luffy so by ur reasoning when someone saw that he needs to know that he can't do shit against Fuji even if what you say it's loyality and whatever he should be serious fucking Zoro there is laughing and excited wtf are u talking about would u be excited when you need to help Luffy against someone who beat a captain stronger than u so Zoro is excited against Kaido when Luffy is out ? At least be reasonable when you try to say something or this is just a shit tbh and sorry to say this to u
He saw Luffy showing CoC and he said he has to do that much to be my captain so about CoC nothing else and what you say it's just a bunch of headcanons to twist it to your arguments .
• You have CoC you are my captain this is what he said you aren't a CoC user i'm gonna be the captain now show me where did the CoC used to be a factor in deciding the fight from FMI to WCI ? Kid is a CoC user before Zoro showed it what feats did he have for him to push it past mid diff against All out Zoro ?
Your reasoning is just that bad while the statement is clear ; you are a CoC user you are my captain but is this can be used to say he is stronger than him ? Oh kid is a coc user and do the math again .
No loyality here though .
This is a challenge .
Fuji clapped Luffy so by ur reasoning when someone saw that he needs to know that he can't do shit against Fuji even if what you say it's loyality and whatever he should be serious fucking Zoro there is laughing and excited wtf are u talking about would u be excited when you need to help Luffy against someone who beat a captain stronger than u so Zoro is excited against Kaido when Luffy is out ? At least be reasonable when you try to say something or this is just a shit tbh and sorry to say this to u
headcanon is the conclusion from an english statement?
lmao
lets break it down
"You have CoC you are my captain this is what he said you aren't a CoC user i'm gonna be the captain now show me where did the CoC used to be a factor in deciding the fight from FMI to WCI ? Kid is a CoC user before Zoro showed it what feats did he have for him to push it past mid diff against All out Zoro ?"
lol
what does "he had better be able to do that or he would have to step down as captain "mean
" he had better be able to do" refers to his ability/strength to do something
" step down as captain "zoro would question his leadership if he didnt no matter how blind his loyalty is
so luffy's strength/ability is a factor in
why zoro continues to follow his captain. its a simple argument really .
what exactly isnt connecting for you
you keep putting out pointless shit to me
go argue kidd with someone else
lmao
lets break it down
"You have CoC you are my captain this is what he said you aren't a CoC user i'm gonna be the captain now show me where did the CoC used to be a factor in deciding the fight from FMI to WCI ? Kid is a CoC user before Zoro showed it what feats did he have for him to push it past mid diff against All out Zoro ?"
lol
what does "he had better be able to do that or he would have to step down as captain "mean
" he had better be able to do" refers to his ability/strength to do something
" step down as captain "zoro would question his leadership if he didnt no matter how blind his loyalty is
so luffy's strength/ability is a factor in
why zoro continues to follow his captain. its a simple argument really .
what exactly isnt connecting for you
you keep putting out pointless shit to me
go argue kidd with someone else