Character Discussion If Zoro was stronger than Luffy why is he still following Luffy as his subordinate?

Do you think that among all the crew members, Zoro is the only one who is not better than Luffy at his respective job?
Zoro is the only exception because his role is not only a combatant, his main role is he is the vice captain of the strawhats. The rest of the crew needs a designated role, but not Zoro.

Why has the inferior fighter left a permanent injury on Kaido with 3 attacks while the superior couldnt with 50+ attacks?
Why is the weaker guy protecting the Supernovas from the island buster?
When has Oda established that Zoro is not allowed to be stronger than Luffy?
I dont wanna hear this powerscaling feats. Zoro takes great pride in Luffy as his captain. You know who will be most disappointed in Luffy if he is not the strongest in the crew? Yes, you guessed it right, that's Zoro himself. Didnt he tell Pica, "My captain dont have time for someone like you. You have to make do with me"?

And as much as you dismiss the point @LANJI CUCKSMOKE is making, there is no denying that Zoro said he will take over as captain if Luffy is not the strongest.

I dont see why you guys are upset about it. Zoro being on the same level or almost equal to the future PK is already remarkable. Dont be greedy.
 
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You do make some valid points but you made it sound like Zoro has no role but to fight in the Crew. My point was Zoro is the unofficial first mate, If Luffy gets incapicated, the leadership role would automatically shift to Zoro.
Luffy normally ask Sanji to cook for him, I have also seen him ask Nami to navigate, not once has he asked Zoro to fight an arc villian for him. Zoro can get strong but I feel as long as he is a crew member of the SHPs, Luffy would always haki bloom his way one step ahead of Zoro by grinding through arc bosses after arc bosses. What exactly is Zoro doing differently than Luffy, training was his thing and now Luffy is starting to train his Haki as well. The only way I can see Zoro truly surpassing Luffy is if he leaves the crew or start fighting the arc bosses which we all know ain't gna happen.
Luffy's initial goal wasn't to be strong till he saw his brother die & saw his crew yeeted across the OP verse. He said that himself.

Mihawk was waiting for someone stronger than Shanks cos Shanks is a swordsman. If Mihawk was really about it and wanted to fight a stronger combatant than Shanks, he woulda walked down to Kaido and challenge him. We all know Kaido loves a challenge.

Ryuma is just built different. Ryuma was the world's strongest man period.
Luffy's Fights are about Dreams & not Strength because the Villains he Fights are mostly Superior than Luffy or way Weaker.
He does fight some of his own Level but it's rare

Zoro does Fight the Most Troublesome Villains & Protected Luffy many times.
Let me give you Examples:

1. Zoro's Introduction Arc ---> Morgan was gonna Attack Luffy but it was Zoro who Finished him off & literally Joined the Crew right after he Saved Luffy from an Attack (I know Luffy can handle Morgan easily, but the symbolism is what matters here)

2. Buggy Arc ---> Luffy was trapped & gonna be Executed by Buggy but Zoro saved him & fought Buggy first. However Oda made Buggy have a DF that counters Zoro, just so that Luffy is the one who fights him. Coincidence? You think it's coincidence that from all the DFs that Oda could have picked, he chose the only one that counters Zoro? It's obvious Oda had to do that to give justification why Luffy fights the Villain & not his Crew Fighter

3. Kuro Arc ---> Luffy was Knocked Out & Nami/Usopp was hiding so it was Zoro's Sole Job to Fight & he handled Nyaban Brothers, but when Kuro came, Kaya also appeared & then Jango went after her, so Luffy ordered Zoro to go protect her & he had to carry Usopp who defeated Jango himself. Which again shows that only reason Oda made Usopp Injured & Unable to walk was to give an excuse for Zoro to leave the Scene & let Luffy fight Kuro

4. Krieg Arc ---> Someone light years way stronger than Krieg appeared & who faced him? It was Zoro & then he left the Arc. Which again shows that Oda create more Excuse for Zoro to let Luffy fight the Villain & not handle it himself

5. Arlong Arc ---> For the Fourth Time in a Row. That's Crazy! Oda again gives justification on why Zoro cannot Fight Arlong & must let Luffy do it due to Injury from Mihawk

So literally in whole East Blue Saga, Zoro was Introduced & Portrayed as the one who's Role is to Fight & Protect Luffy & face Villain first but Oda always creates an Excuse to make Zoro unable to Fight or Occupied & then Luffy takes the Stage, because obviously he is the Main Character & not because he is the Strongest

And this continued more & more:

Zoro was the one who's gonna fight Bellamy but Luffy then told him to stop & let him talk

Zoro was the one who remained at the end of Skypiea Battle Royale & faced Enel before Luffy but similar to Buggy, only Luffy is compatible with Enel

When they were riding Train to go to Ennies Lobby, Luffy ordered Zoro to handle both the CP Train & T-Bone

In Thriller Bark, it was Zoro leading the fight against Oars & when Luffy arrived, it was only thanks to Nightmare Buff & Team Work that they managed to defeat it & after Luffy handled Moriah, it was Zoro who fought Kuma & saved his Captain

It was Zoro who fought Hody first & defeated him
When a Dragon attacked them, it was Zoro who took care of it
It was Monet who prevented Luffy from capturing Caesar at first & who handled her? It was Zoro ofc

When Luffy was gonna go save Law & Pica blocked the way, it was Zoro who fought him & Luffy said "Zoro can handle anything".
And when they were thrown from castle & jumped to try & reach it again, they were attacked by Senor Pink, Machvice & Dellinger & it was Zoro who took care of them & then Fujitora stood in Luffy's way & it was Zoro who stopped him & then Pica attacked them again & it was Zoro who stopped him

When Zoro wasn't included in an Arc, do you know what happened? Luffy couldn't fight Main Villain of the Arc & had to settle with the No. 2

When Hawkins attacked them, it was Zoro who had to handle him
When they met Urashima, it was Zoro who scared him & not Luffy
When they entered Onigashima & got attacked by Apoo & others, it was Zoro who had to carry Luffy & protect him
When they reached the roof, it was Zoro who saved Luffy near a dozen time & it was him who had to face Hakai before it hits Luffy & it was him who hurt Kaido using CoC before Luffy realizes it ... etc

The Pattern is Clear:
Zoro is Strongest In Crew, his Role is to Protect Luffy by being Best Fighter but since Luffy is Main Character, Oda always make Excuses & Scenarios where Zoro is unable to finish off the Villain & Luffy has to deal with him & crush his Dream

Even in Movies, for example in Film Z when they first fought Zephyr in Kitchen, it was Zoro portrayed as the best fighter of monster trio & when they faced Gild Tesoro, it was Zoro who attacked him first & in Movie Stampede, Zoro was the one who prevented Fujitora from entering the battlefield.

Even if u go to a Special Video which is Non-Canon, you find Luffy + Law teaming up on Kizaru & Sanji fighting Sentomaru while Zoro going toe to toe with Fujitora alone
 
Zoro is the only exception because his role is not only a combatant, his main role is he is the vice captain of the strawhats. The rest of the crew needs a designated role, but not Zoro.


I dont wanna hear this powerscaling feats. Zoro takes great pride in Luffy as his captain. You know who will be most disappointed in Luffy if he is not even the strongest in the crew? Yes, you guessed it right, that's Zoro himself. Didnt he tell Pica, "My captain dont have time for someone like you. You have to make do with me"?

And as much as you dismiss the point @LANJI CUCKSMOKE is making, there is no denying that Zoro said he will take over as captain if Luffy is not the strongest.

I dont see why you guys are upset about it. Zoro being on the same level or near equal to the future PK is already remarkable. Dont be greedy.
basically this

cant be stated any better
if zoro is stronger
there is no need for him to keep following him as implied by zoro himself
luffy has to meet zoro's bar and when he doesnt zoro is usually the first to QUESTION/REPRIMAND HIM

fanbase has gotten to the point where insisting zoro has to remain just behind luffy for the whole dynamic in the crew to even make sense needs extensive arguments .
ridiculous.
 
what does "he had better be able to do that or he would have to step down as captain "mean


" he had better be able to do" refers to his ability/strength to do something
" step down as captain "zoro would question his leadership if he didnt no matter how blind his loyalty is
so luffy's strength/ability is a factor in
why zoro continue
Headcanon.com
Luffy showed CoC
Zoro : he had to do this or i will be the captain
His statement is based on CoC show even fucking sanji beside him talks about CoC where is the strenght headcanon you are using now ? :milaugh:
To do this much : to show CoC and knock off those fodders you are a captain to Zoro :beckmoji:
he had better be able to do" refers to his ability/strength to do something
" step down as captain "zoro would question his leadership if he didnt no matter how blind his loyalty is
so luffy's strength/ability is a factor in
why zoro continues to follow his captain. its a simple argument really .


what exactly isnt connecting for you
you keep putting out pointless shit to me
go argue kidd with someone else
Sorry to say this but nothing you proved to say that Zoro won't follow a captain weaker than him :milaugh:
I gave u Fuji example ;
Fuji who clapped Luffy was making Zoro excited to use One sword not even three check the panel though this is not a behavior someone would do against his stronger captain who got clapped by a stronger foe check Kaido's example do u see him laughing ? :milaugh:
 
Headcanon.com
Luffy showed CoC
Zoro : he had to do this or i will be the captain
His statement is based on CoC show even fucking sanji beside him talks about CoC where is the strenght headcanon you are using now ? :milaugh:
To do this much : to show CoC and knock off those fodders you are a captain to Zoro :beckmoji:


Sorry to say this but nothing you proved to say that Zoro won't follow a captain weaker than him :milaugh:
I gave u Fuji example ;
Fuji who clapped Luffy was making Zoro excited to use One sword not even three check the panel though this is not a behavior someone would do against his stronger captain who got clapped by a stronger foe check Kaido's example do u see him laughing ? :milaugh:
If I cant explain a basic english statement to you
broken down word for word
you are beyond the point of an argument



go on with what you think
am done wasting my time .
 
What you said is nothing though where speech is about CoC also Fuji example destroys it completely beyond help
what I said
is a conclusion from what zoro said . nothing more nothing less
how zoro trying tagging in to deal for a chance at fuji has to do with a statement where zoro implies luffy has to step down if he didnt meet a certain bar is odd to me but at this point , think what you want.




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not you buddy

Lao G
 
how zoro trying tagging in to deal for a chance at fuji has to do with a statement where zoro implies luffy has to step down if he didnt meet a certain bar is odd to me but at this point , think what you want.
Zoro thinks he can do better or pose a challenge to Fuji who just destroyed Luffy by saying to luffy let's switch places ; repeat with me switch places someone who thinks like that would believe that his captain is stronger than him lmao
 
Zoro thinks he can do better or pose a challenge to Fuji who just destroyed Luffy by saying to luffy let's switch places ; repeat with me switch places someone who thinks like that would believe that his captain is stronger than him lmao

tell all of us what zoro did after saying that
he went at fuji all right ....
you act like at certain points even in the kaido fight
zoro didnt have a go at kaido while luffy was right next to him .
nuance is lost on people with a clear agenda.
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perfect logic here
zoro statement here
negates what he said there
they absolutely cannot coexist at the same time
because what he said here matches the agenda you want to push
and what he said there does not .

my time in op debates is almost up.
I am truly tired.
 

tell all of us what zoro did after saying that
he went at fuji all right ....
you act like at certain points even in the kaido fight
zoro didnt have a go at kaido while luffy was right next to him .
nuance is lost on people with a clear agenda.
Now when you get clapped you start making excuses .
You said that Zoro thinks that Luffy is stronger than him isn't it ?
I brought out what Zoro said to a captain you claim he is stronger who just got clapped by someone on another level even after witnessing Raging tiger and afterwards you say he ran didn't Usopp who say that to him because they have to go now and that isn't the time to fight like always even when ppl defene luffy they make shit up to push their agenda while the panels are clear .
you act like at certain points even in the kaido fight
zoro didnt have a go at kaido while luffy was right next to him .
nuance is lost on people with a clear agenda
Zoro protected Luffy through out the fight as someone who needed to do that while in the End he blocked Hakai a strongest attack while luffy just watched it lmao and let's not talk abiut giving a scar while luffy didn't do shit on that he even made Kaido crying and sighing there
 
Now when you get clapped you start making excuses .
You said that Zoro thinks that Luffy is stronger than him isn't it ?
I brought out what Zoro said to a captain you claim he is stronger who just got clapped by someone on another level even after witnessing Raging tiger and afterwards you say he ran didn't Usopp who say that to him because they have to go now and that isn't the time to fight like always even when ppl defene luffy they make shit up to push their agenda while the panels are clear .

Zoro protected Luffy through out the fight as someone who needed to do that while in the End he blocked Hakai a strongest attack while luffy just watched it lmao and let's not talk abiut giving a scar while luffy didn't do shit on that he even made Kaido crying and sighing there
"You said that Zoro thinks that Luffy is stronger than him isn't it ?"
argument is zoro wouldnt follow someone less capable than he is
luffy had to meet a certain bar
the argument zoro is stronger than luffy and blindly follows him is unfounded
I have pointed out two scenarios where luffy's ability to lead
and strength are important parts of why he continues to follow luffy .


"Now when you get clapped you start making excuses ."
you wont clap me in a million years mate

I dont care for trophy points
nor do I feed bias into either characters here when I argue, I am using zoro's words here
I have told you what was stated based on evidence
you argue him switching places with luffy negates what he said in fishman island. the irony of it all
is clearly lost on you. in every argument I go in to have people convince me otherwise or to convince others of my point . you havent done enough to change my mind
and I clearly havent either to change yours. Dont waste my time.


"Zoro protected Luffy"
didnt state otherwise + dont care.
am not here to go on tangents mate.
 
argument is zoro wouldnt follow someone less capable than he is
luffy had to meet a certain bar
the argument zoro is stronger than luffy and blindly follows him is unfounded
I have pointed out two scenarios where luffy's ability to lead
and strength are important parts of why he continues to follow luffy .
You didn't prove a thing you use CoC statement to switch it to strength Nice try .
dont care for trophy points
nor do I feed bias into either characters here when I argue, I am using zoro's words here
I have told you what was stated based on evidence
you argue him switching places with luffy negates what he said in fishman island. the irony of it all
is clearly lost on you. in every argument I go in to have people convince me otherwise or to convince others of my point . you havent done enough to change my mind
and I clearly havent either to change yours. Dont waste my time.
And i don't care about your points because you didn't prove shit here you just blantly using some broken logic Zoro said that he needs to do that much which means using CoC oh Zoro said he needs to be stronger than him to be his captain you even changed your words to switch your agenda .
Zoro protected Luffy"
didnt state otherwise + dont care.
am not here to go on tangents mate.
You talked about Kaido and i gave u what happened between them who has better showing
 
You didn't prove a thing you use CoC statement to switch it to strength Nice try .

And i don't care about your points because you didn't prove shit here you just blantly using some broken logic Zoro said that he needs to do that much which means using CoC oh Zoro said he needs to be stronger than him to be his captain you even changed your words to switch your agenda .

You talked about Kaido and i gave u what happened between them who has better showing
amazing
coc is linked to strength potential here



amazing
wonder what manga this was stated


what he stated was
"if he wasnt able to do that, he would have to step down as captain"
not strength related at all.... P
lol

 
amazing
wonder what manga this was stated
Amazing i wonder what manga are u reading !
Mihawk not a CoC user but i think doffy a CoC user is stronger than him and i like how you ignored the word potential not actual strength so Luffy having CoC than Kizaru who doesn't have it he should be stronger isn't it ? :suresure: and let's not talk about probability there :milaugh: oh cracker doesn't have CoC so Luffy is stronger than him in WCI ohhhhhh ! Why nami helped him then ? :milaugh:
what he stated was
"if he wasnt able to do that, he would have to step down as captain"
not strength related at all.... P
lol
Luffy showed CoC :
Sanji : oh so he has it
Zoro :
If he wasn't able to do that ; i would be the captain .
Do what ? = Using CoC .

If he wasn't able to use CoC ; i would be the captain .
Now give us why CoC is strength with what i said above loool
 
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