Speculations If Luffy gets KO by Kaido again (4th time), should Zoro become the captain instead?

[Shepherd]

Zoro wasn't in dange about Pica. Usopp and others were. Orlumbus helped saved them, Zoro never need him to defeat Pica only to save everybody. You are full of bullshit just by bringing that up.

The "high-endurance" Luffy that got knocked out by BM random army, one-shotted Kaido and almost two-shotted by Apoo. Apoo get up after Zoro one-shotting but so as Luffy after being two-shotted by Apoo and one-shotted by Kaido. Apoo was initially fighting both Zoro and X-Drake so off guard excuses (the worst ones) doesn't count.

Luffy don't have high endurance he has high plot armor.

About Orlumbus:

Zolo is immobile and needed to reach Pica, so he had Orlumbus THROW HIM. It's not that complicated, fact is Zolo relied on someone else to cover for his lack of flight or proper mobility, therefore it wasn't a no-diff and technically wasn't even a 1v1. Pica was having Zolo running around for a good while just fine before Orlumbus got involved, chances are Pica could have continued doing so until an opportunity arised to defeat Zolo.

As for BM Pirates, Luffy was starving at the time when the BM army captured him, and just got beat up by Sanji. Luffy getting 1-shot by Kaido once again is a testament to Kaido's strength rather than Luffy's weakness, nobody at that period in Wano is withstanding a Thunder Bagua.

As for Apoo, although Apoo was ORIGINALLY fighting both Zolo and X-Drake, Zolo went somewhere else leaving X-Drake to 1v1 Apoo.

Apoo was fighting, 1 on 1, with Drake at the time. Zolo ambushed Apoo, than Apoo got up afterwards to continue fighting, thus it wasn't a 1-shot. Stop the crap lol

 

[Ryuarashi]

It's quite funny how you Zolo fans take Luffy losing as something to be made fun of, when really, it just shows that Oda truly cares about the growth and progression of Luffy as a fighter compared to someone like Zolo who goes from fighting Pica to Kaido.

zoro is the Erza of one piece

 

[Finalbeta]

 

[Shepherd]

Proof that Oda doesn't care about Zolos progression and that there is next to no competition for WSS (empty title)

 

[Finalbeta]

Proof that Oda doesn't care about Zolos progression and that there is next to no competition for WSS (empty title)

And yet he is progressing so well, well enough that he currently doesn't even look weaker than Luffy himself going by a comparative feats + general portrayal analysis.

 

[Shepherd]

And yet he is progressing so well, well enough that he currently doesn't even look weaker than Luffy himself going by a comparative feats + general portrayal analysis.

You totally missed the point, it's not that Zolo isn't progressing, it's that for a character who wants to be #1, he hasn't had a single proper 1v1 with another swordsman, Pica not incldued since he relies on DF, and the Killer fight was a 2v1. Zolo literally has not fought any pure swordsman similar to Mihawk since the Timeskip began, that's not a compliment to Zolo that's a sign of neglect on Oda's part for a character who is pining for #1.

And as for portrayal? There is not a modicrum of portrayal that Zolo has over Luffy, which is why you say "general portayal analysis" yet give 0 examples. If anything there is portayal Luffy being above Zolo, as usual, such as Kaido comparing Luffy to Whitebeard, Roger & Shanks, Luffy being the one to 1 v 1 Kaido after everyone else, Luffy telling Zolo to go downstairs, and now this chapter which confirms Kaido showed Luffy a side to him that nobody else was strong enough to bring out.

 

[Human D Luffy]

And yet he is progressing so well, well enough that he currently doesn't even look weaker than Luffy himself going by a comparative feats + general portrayal analysis.

Luffy: "Kaido just told me that being pirate king isn't fun at all 😢"
Zoro: "That's good to know, but i still gotta be the strongest for kuina."

 

[executor partner]

I figure it is kind of easy of a name change from straw hat pirates to green bandana pirates

Three Sword Style Pirates

 

[Human D Luffy]

Luffy telling Zolo to go downstairs, and now this chapter which confirms Kaido showed Luffy a side to him that nobody else was strong enough to bring out.

@Finalbeta @nik87 @Fenaker @stairs-kun I just noticed that the real reason that luffy told zoro to go downstairs is so zoro won't have to witness first-hand of Kaido ass-whipping Luffy. Am i right, or am i right?
Luffy is actually a genius and knows how to keep his captain role.

 

[SHIHI]

Zoro does not follow Luffy because Luffy is stronger than him. He follows Luffy because he believes in him.

What @Ace said:

True, he also believed that Luffy will win against Kaido, something Zoro couldn't accomplish. Both points support each other.

 

[Human D Luffy]

True, he also believed that Luffy will win against Kaido, something Zoro couldn't accomplish. Both points support each other.

Luffy also believed that luffy will win against kaido, something that luffy couldn't accomplish

 

[stairs-kun]

@Finalbeta @nik87 @Fenaker @stairs-kun I just noticed that the real reason that luffy told zoro to go downstairs is so zoro won't have to witness first-hand of Kaido ass-whipping Luffy. Am i right, or am i right?
Luffy is actually a genius and knows how to keep his captain role.

Genius:cheers:

 

[Shepherd]

@Finalbeta @nik87 @Fenaker @stairs-kun I just noticed that the real reason that luffy told zoro to go downstairs is so zoro won't have to witness first-hand of Kaido ass-whipping Luffy. Am i right, or am i right?
Luffy is actually a genius and knows how to keep his captain role.

Oh yes, wouldn't want the green vegetable watching :yasu:

 

[Human D Luffy]

Oh yes, wouldn't want the green vegetable watching :yasu:

Vegetable is good for health, but used condom gets you STD.

 

[Shepherd]

Vegetable is good for health, but used condom gets you STD.

Ain't nothing healthy about this vegetable...like most kids, Sanji would rather dump it elsewhere

 

[Human D Luffy]

Ain't nothing healthy about this vegetable...like most kids, Sanji would rather dump it elsewhere

Surely it is better than a used condom with potential STD materials from

 

[Law-sama]

They will get lost if zoro is the captain

 

[Shepherd]

Luffy: "Kaido just told me that being pirate king isn't fun at all 😢"
Zoro: "That's good to know, but i still gotta be the strongest for kuina."

Zolo isn't doing this for Kuina, or anyone really. MAYBE for Hiyori but based on Zolo's remark to Queen saying "THEY SAY KAIDO'S THE STRONGEST", it can be reasoned that Zolo is just fighting Kaido to get stronger for the sake of getting stronger, as usual.

 

[Finalbeta]

You totally missed the point, it's not that Zolo isn't progressing, it's that for a character who wants to be #1, he hasn't had a single proper 1v1 with another swordsman, Pica not incldued since he relies on DF, and the Killer fight was a 2v1. Zolo literally has not fought any pure swordsman similar to Mihawk since the Timeskip began, that's not a compliment to Zolo that's a sign of neglect on Oda's part for a character who is pining for #1.

And as for portrayal? There is not a modicrum of portrayal that Zolo has over Luffy, which is why you say "general portayal analysis" yet give 0 examples. If anything there is portayal Luffy being above Zolo, as usual, such as Kaido comparing Luffy to Whitebeard, Roger & Shanks, Luffy being the one to 1 v 1 Kaido after everyone else, Luffy telling Zolo to go downstairs, and now this chapter which confirms Kaido showed Luffy a side to him that nobody else was strong enough to bring out.

I provived many examples in the past but don't get offended if you can, typing to you is like typing to a brick wall. Go check all my explanations I made on why I consider Zoro and Luffy close in power, I don't hold 60K posts just because, although one could make the case.

And you missed the very original point, that your headcanon that Oda doesn't care about Zoro's progression is wiped out by facts. Why would he not care just because he doesn't show any single transition? What kind of flawed logic is that?

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@Finalbeta @nik87 @Fenaker @stairs-kun I just noticed that the real reason that luffy told zoro to go downstairs is so zoro won't have to witness first-hand of Kaido ass-whipping Luffy. Am i right, or am i right?
Luffy is actually a genius and knows how to keep his captain role.

 

[Shepherd]

I provived many examples in the past but don't get offended if you can, typing to you is like typing to a brick wall. Go check all my explanations I made on why I consider Zoro and Luffy close in power, I don't hold 60K posts just because, although one could make the case.

And you missed the very original point, that your headcanon that Oda doesn't care about Zoro's progression is wiped out by facts. Why would he not care just because he doesn't show any single transition? What kind of flawed logic is that?

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"Go check my other posts"
Sure, I can do that but don't call me brick wall. When your debating someone it's more convenient and formal to present the "many examples" right here rather than telling me to go somewhere else. The least you could do is copy-paste them here since your so confident in them.

"Why would he not care just because he doesn't show any single transition?"
But it's not that there is "no single transition", there is barely any transition whatsoever, hence the meme you posted about climbing the ladder. Zolo literally went from fighting veteran-level scrubs like Pica to fighting top-tiers like Kaido. He has recieved little-to-no real loss in a series where defeat is portrayed as a sign of progression, and the last time he fought a pure swordsman like Mihawk was Hyouzou who I'm pretty sure 1-shot if memory serves correct.