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Yep, in the anime, the same place where he demolished X-Drake in base.

So you have to choose one side:
- manga is canon -> the last panel we saw was Sanji attacking Page One from the sky like a missile, Page One screaming in pain and the next chapter Sanji was completely fine while Page One disappeared and only X-Drake and Hawkins remained.
- anime is canon -> Sanji ran away from Page One but fodderized X-Drake (who said "I'm not as weak as Page One" before getting destroyed).

In both cases Sanji is looking clean, sorry :steef::kata:
But did you see P1 KOed in the manga?
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He also got overpowered in a clash....im not claiming Sanji lost the confrontation, but Sanji AP needs improvement.
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Now most of you know (I hope) I don’t just say thins without reason especially when it involves Sanji. Only time I say things without reason is when I’m trolling clearly

but truthfully Drake is pitiful….I honestly believe Sanji could beat both Drake and Page one simultaneously no joke

Drake legit can’t even defeat an incredi weakened Apoo and they’ve been fighting for 10+ chapters and their battle is STILL ongoing….
 
Post WCI Luffy got no diffed by Base Kaido. I consider it a no difficulty fight because:
  • Luffy did ZERO damage.
  • Luffy was oneshot with a single named technique.
  • Kaido was barely sober and seemingly out of it, so he wasn't exerting himself.
I have Post WCI Luffy at High High Tier (Katakuri) level. These characters get no diffed in a 1 vs 1 with Kaido or at best defeated at the lower ends of low difficulty.

If Yamato gets no diffed, then I would place her below Post WCI Luffy (Luffy could not use Future Sight when he lost to Kaido). She'll remain in my Mid High Tier. In that case, I can see End of Wano Sanji being above her.
See, that's the complicated part. Luffy was neg-diffed not because he wasn't strong enough but because he had no means of hurting Kaido at that time. At least Adv CoA is required to even do superficial damage to him and Luffy didn't have it at that point. The only difference between Post-WCI and Chapter 1000 Luffy is that the latter has access to Adv CoA and nothing more. Yeah, learning it is a big leap but that's only when we're talking about fighting Kaido.

Objectively speaking, the gap shouldn't be that big if he's fighting an opponent who doesn't require Adv CoA to get hurt. It's only in Kaido's case. For example, Post-WCI Luffy fighting Aokiji and Chapter 1000 Luffy fighting Aokiji won't be as much of a difference as in Kaido's case as he already has some means to hurt him. The only thing that'll change is that Luffy's punches will be somewhat more impactful, that's all. But Yamato probably already does have Adv CoA so comparing her with Post-WCI in terms of what difficulty she'll give to Kaido is a bit unfair I think when we're talking about objective strength and it not depending on the opponent.

Other than that, I think your analysis is pretty good tbh. I can easily see her being stronger than Sanji but let's see. Also, I don't really think she one-shot Ulti. That's like saying Apoo one-shot Luffy.
 
Queen will not even come close to slapping Sanji as bad as he did drake lol

saddest part is oda had Sanji fuck up drake so bad that he had to make it filler and include it in the anime
 

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Now most of you know (I hope) I don’t just say thins without reason especially when it involves Sanji. Only time I say things without reason is when I’m trolling clearly

but truthfully Drake is pitiful….I honestly believe Sanji could beat both Drake and Page one simultaneously no joke

Drake legit can’t even defeat an incredi weakened Apoo and they’ve been fighting for 10+ chapters and their battle is STILL ongoing….
Drake is one of the worst revelations in the new world so far. Even Bellamy fared better with due ratio. Let's see however.
 
It looks like we're getting Sanji and Chopper vs Perospero and Queen.
Neko is already coming for Perospero and Chopper already stated that once the Monster Point will be over he will be done as well.
Last thing Chopper will do will probably be healing Zoro and it is more than enough: he already saved the war defeating Queen's virus and he holded back the Calamity himself (although Queen not being seriuos) for several minutes until the arrive of Sanji.
 
I'd like to explain where I'm coming from on Yamato.

I think Base Yamato's feats already merit a placement of at least Jack level and probably even above him (I strongly doubt that Jack can oneshot a Tobi Roppo), but I'm a crazy Yamato wanker and I'm probably overestimating her, so let's say that Base Yamato is Jack level.

Yamato's Devil Fruit was hidden for a reveal vs Kaido, so it is very likely (I'd personally give >= 75% chances) to be a Mythical Zoan.

All out Yamato should be thus above Queen, but if you want to downplay her, you can say that her current fights only justify Queen level (Mid High Tier).


Now let's talk about the implications of Yamato's fight with Kaido.

Post WCI Luffy got no diffed by Base Kaido. I consider it a no difficulty fight because:
  • Luffy did ZERO damage.
  • Luffy was oneshot with a single named technique.
  • Kaido was barely sober and seemingly out of it, so he wasn't exerting himself.
I have Post WCI Luffy at High High Tier (Katakuri) level. These characters get no diffed in a 1 vs 1 with Kaido or at best defeated at the lower ends of low difficulty.

If Yamato gets no diffed, then I would place her below Post WCI Luffy (Luffy could not use Future Sight when he lost to Kaido). She'll remain in my Mid High Tier. In that case, I can see End of Wano Sanji being above her.


If Yamato can push Base Kaido to low difficulty:
  • Deal at least slight damage
    • Draw blood from him
    • Leave him with bruises
    • E.g. Red Roc
    • E.g. Law's Injection Shot
  • Handle at least one named attack)
    • She can dodge, block or tank a Thunder Bagua
    • She can dodge, block or tank a Rag Naraku
    • This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
Then she's anywhere from slightly above Post WCI Luffy to being slightly stronger than Chapter 1000 Luffy (High High Tier [+] to Peak High Tier [+]).


If Yamato can push Base Kaido to medium difficulty:
  • Deal noticeable damage:
    • A few Red Roc level attacks
  • Handle a few named techniques
    • This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
  • Spar with Kaido for a while
    • Preferably more than 10 minutes
    • This is more impressive if the attacks are enhanced with COC.
Then she's slightly to significantly above Chapter 1000 Luffy (an inbetweener). If I was to add a "Bottom Top Tier", this is where she would slot in.


If Yamato can push Base Kaido to high difficulty:
  • Deal significant damage:
    • At least of the calibre of Zoro's "Asura Sword-Drawing: Jest of the Dead".
  • Handle several named techniques
    • They must be enhanced with Haoshoku.
  • Spar with Kaido for a while
    • At least several tens of minutes
      • Up to a few hours
    • They must be enhanced with Haoshoku.
Or if Yamato can push Hybrid Kaido to medium difficulty (same criteria I defined earlier).

Depending on the level of high difficulty, she ranges from Low Top Tier - Mid Top Tier [-].


If she can push Hybrid Kaido to high difficulty or if Kaido requires his Awakening to beat her, then she's a Mid Top Tier [+?].

I wouldn't consider any higher difficulty scenarios as I think they are very unlikely (<= 10% chances).


Now that Sanji is fighting Queen, I think End of Wano Sanji caps at High High Tier (Katakuri level). If I wanted to be needlessly generous, I could say perhaps High High Tier [+].


I feel like at this point, Yamato is probably going to be pushing Kaido to at least medium difficulty.

When Kaido tries to strike her with a Thunder Bagua, she'll either dodge it, block it, tank it or more likely match it with her own Thunder Bagua.

I expect that we'll see her using Haoshoku to enhance her own attacks. If this is not an ability she's already capable of, it's one that she'll unlock. Enhancing your attacks is an ability that Kaido said "only a handful of the very strongest possess":


Displaying this ability is unequivocal Top Tier portrayal.


But more than that, we haven't even seen Yamato's Devil Fruit. I'm expecting that when Kaido transforms into Hybrid, Yamato will as well (or vice versa).

So my median estimate for Yamato's performance vs Kaido places her at around Low Top Tier.

I think Low Top Tier characters beat Peak High Tier characters at solid medium difficulty, and High High Tier characters at the higher ends of low difficulty or lower ends of medium difficulty.


For reference purposes:
  • I have Marco at Peak High Tier
  • I have Chapter 1000 Luffy at Peak High Tier [+] and by Chapter 1009 he may have become an inbetweener (Bottom Top Tier).
  • I have Rooftop Zoro at Low Top Tier to Low Top Tier [+].
    • A current healthy Zoro is a bit of an unknown.
  • I have 1010 Luffy at Low Top Tier [+] to Mid Top Tier [-].

Anyway, this was a longwinded explanation to essentially say that:
  • I expect Yamato to show herself to be considerably stronger than Sanji in her fight against Kaido.
  • I think the gap is quite big.
    • My median estimate is that End of Wano Yamato beats End of Wano Sanji at the lower ends of medium difficulty.
    • It's big enough that even if Yamato joined the crew, I don't think Sanji can close the gap between them anytime soon.

@Kuro Ashi: there are scenarios where Yamato joins the crew and I would place Sanji above Yamato. But the vast majority of those scenarios are: "my expectations of Yamato vs Kaido were wrong". If Yamato pushes Kaido to use his Awakening to overcome her, I don't think I could plausibly be convinced that Sanji > Yamato regardless of what happens in the future. I don't think Prime Sanji could push Kaido to use his Awakening.

This is an extreme example, but it gets at where I'm coming from. If the gap between End of Wano Yamato and Sanji is sufficiently great, nothing Sanji will simply be unable to close the gap.

Leaving aside difficulties, if Yamato demonstrates that she can clad her attacks in Haoshoku (an ability that Kaido said only a handful of the very strongest possess), that's unequivocal top tier portrayal. You can't convince me that Sanji is above her because of "Monster Trio" if Sanji himself does not receive a similar portrayal as being a top tier.


I can't say i disagree with this. But it also means she's too strong to be a SH :josad:
 
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