Questions & Mysteries Dear Sanji fans..

Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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#81
#81
Zoro D Goat said:
Great job holding off Sanji haters @BleakAsh @Vinsmoke D. Zolo

Now, let the Goat take care of the mess himself from here. Y'all dismissed.


Boi, this dude really say King not commenting on his beak.:kobeha:

Why would King announce to the whole world and say, "Hey, my beak got bend."


And if King's beak is not bend then why is it not straight? Doesn't make any sense.


Lmao.

Sanji said it was bad because the gas is leaking in. He never said he would lose to Vergo.


And Sanji was walking fine afterwards.


And Vergo got mentally broken by Sanji so he run away.


So your arguments is already get debunked here.


"the fact is sanji is nearly died to base Doffy"

Expectations:


Reality:


King can't even kill Sanji and these ***** talk about Doffy killing Sanji.


And King was about to kick Sanji yet he blocked it lol. You're contradicting yourself here.


"and then he begged King to let go after using his Zoan form and said he would have died without the suit ."

Damn, Luffy will die against Katakuri confirmed.



And Sanji never got knocked out against King.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...akai-for-one-second.12732/page-8#post-1287465

And if King's beak is not bend then why is it not straight?:milaugh:

I wanked King and Queen as well?

How? Sanji blocked King's kicks twice.

Doffy got scared by Sanji.




And Doffy was using Barrier Haki against Sanji.


Sanji tanked Doffy's attack which cuts meteor with ease and still fighting.


And Sanji still not down and even think of a way to counter Doffy's strings.


And despite Sanji got nerfed and a cracked leg, he still kicked Vergo twice.


Sad days for Sanji downplayers.


Doffy was using Barrier Haki to defend himself against Sanji.


And Sanji got nerfed by Caesar beforehand.


Sanji still kicked Vergo away.


Vergo run away as well.

And Sanji was walking fine afterwards.


Vergo run away from Sanji.


Yet Vergo got kicked twice by Sanji.

"Sanji will die against Doffy/King"

Expectations:


Reality:


Huh? King was sending Sanji down, not upward.


If his beak bend upward then King should send Sanji up in the sky, not down.
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Read my previous post my lion
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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#82
#82
Finalbeta said:
All I'm suggesting is that's a common drawing style for Oda, this cannot be rejected as an element,
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sorry but I'm pretty sure that Oda knows what common sense is if you don't.. that a Ptrenodon has a straight beak .. you are just pushing this farfetched nonsensical possibility for no reason at all.. if you're thinking it'd be the case sir..

Oda had consistently been drawing it straight.. and this bend isn't even symmetrical to the lower beak... it looks like it got indented...

Morgan isn't a Ptrenodon and the like of his specie don't have straight beak.. just like the eagle zoan from alabasta.. EAGLES DONT HAVE A STRAIGHT BEAK..
 
Patapujuro

Patapujuro

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#83
#83
Charlotte Sky said:
but zoro is trash. At least Sanji has brains instead of smirking and blitzing like your typical over powered edgy one dimensional shonen guy
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You triggered me here and you should know what will happen when someone says this kind of bullshit about Zoro ... a character post it is :myman:

:seriously:

When people put aside their preconceived opinions on Zoro and bother to pay attention to his character, they tend to bring out Zoro's sense of sacrifice or his loyalty as his main character traits.
For my part, I think rather that it's actually his gratitude who served as a common thread to build him as a character :

Zoro & Kuina relationship

In his quest to become the WSS, Zoro has challenged Kuina to a duel countless times to the point where he nearly matched her level.
At Kuina's death, he recognised it was thanks to her that he managed to become stronger. All these fights they had wouldn't have been so intense if her too didn't have the dream to become the WSS. It's as if it was her will to make her dream true that made Zoro's one more possible now.
So, as a token of gratitude, he decided to take her sword and carry her dream as his own since fulfilling her dream first would then allow him to reach his.

So, besides showing gratitude to Kuina, Zoro also showed compassion towards her ... despite her implying at their last duel that it was only thanks to his physical advantage as a growing man that he became this strong.
It's like she was actually saying that all the efforts he did until now are utterly useless, making Zoro completely confused as he didn't know if he actually became stronger or not.
That's why he made the promise that one of them has to become the WSS : to raise Kuina's standards.
By raising Kuina's standards, his fights against her are more meaningful as she's following the same path of progression as him. So she can't use the sex inequality as an excuse to belittle Zoro's feats and hide the fact that he's becoming better than her.

Because in the end, that's what Kuina was all about : an haughty, selfish, insecure, coward and jealous girl who prefers to run from hardships rather than accepting it and moving foward.
In fact, she did commit suicide ("falling from stairs" is a japanese toned down expression of saying it) of despair to not become the strongest despite that she beat Zoro more than 2000 times !
But let us think a moment what Zoro felt and thought when he realized that she killed herself just after his promise with her : "if someone strong enough to beat me more than 2000 times had to get rid of her life because she lost hope to become the strongest, then ... what about me ? I shouldn't even have lived then, right ? Being dead is worth even more than what I am, is that it ? All the efforts I've done, all I've sacrificed to accomplished my dream ... are you telling me that I went through so much pain and hardships for nothing ? Shit !"

Zoro was betrayed by a girl, to whom he confessed his feelings, because she was insecure of her own strength as a woman.
He ended up being traumatized by it : that's why he was so suspicious of Nami, Vivi and especially Robin at some point and why he always spared Tashigi and Monet whenever he had the opportunity to kill them.
But despite all of that, he managed to overcome his despair (showing great willpower) and forgive Kuina for it since it doesn't change the fact that he did became stronger thanks to her and he still considers her as his friend (maybe he understood what she was going through and felt sad for her).

Zoro & Luffy relationship

There's a lot more going on with Zoro's sense of gratitude (with Luffy this time).

It was thanks to Luffy's dream that Zoro was able to find the path that led him to all these mighty opponents and that he had the opportunity to challenge the greatest swordsman in the world.
But Luffy also found for Zoro a stage where all the spotlight in the world will be on each of the feats he will accomplish to make Luffy, The Pirate King !
Zoro will derive greater fame from this journey with Luffy than if he had continued his adventure alone.

That's why he was ready to sacrifice his dream for Luffy to Thriller Bark since it was thanks to Luffy's dream that Zoro was able to pursue his.
In fact Luffy's dream ended up becoming Zoro's dream and suddenly he feels a deep gratitude for what Luffy has done for him. It's precisely this gratitude and recognition sense in Zoro that allows him to always become stronger !
Therefore, it is thanks to the links he has with other characters that he is growing stronger (although he is very arrogant at the same time 😅 but this is what makes the character more subtle than it seems).

Besides, I imagine that there will be something similar to Wano where his sense of gratitude will be further emphasized.


In short, Zoro is not an empty nor bland nor one dimensional character as the One Piece community loves to claim. He, as a character, touches on many thematics at once and while being introverted (unlike 95% of One Piece cast) he nevertheless conveys many complex feelings and emotions.
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Fleet Leader Fenaker

Fleet Leader Fenaker

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#84
#84
BleakAsh said:
In a nutshell.. just seconds after sanji got shot by King through the building and luffy flinging himself towards the roof with franky downing a number and saving ussop... sanji was up and kicking..



Learn how to be just with what you cite.. your biases is disgustingly obvious..
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BleakAsh said:
how about... oda drew a bent beak when its supposed to be straight ironically after king crashed into sanji
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Do u have proof he got his beak bent ? Let's end ur bs with a single panel :

Since your genius mind said that King has his beak bent can u explain why when Luffy attacked the jaw which should be King's beak ; page one in human form complained about it and has his blood coming from that if sanji bent King's beak why King in human doesn't have anything irregular or anormal ? Since sanji has the strength to bend his beak it should be easy to break teeth with them why didn't we have anything of that ?
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#90
#90
Zoro D Goat said:
Vergo actually run away from Sanji.
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Oh c’mon… Taking shit out of context… You know what they are talking about is Vergo realizing Law was gonna destroy the SAD factory… Jesus Christ this is lame

C’mon man, you don’t need to go this far for your agenda pushing… Respect people’s intelligence and don’t lie so blatantly like this
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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#91
#91
Finalbeta said:
Keep staying in deny then man... I gave you the framework and you rejected it.

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denial? sir.. you're expecting a world class author to mistake a Ptrenodon's beak with a pigeon's... and you're claiming that I'm in denial..


yall fuck the straw man fr... give the lad a break for once
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Fenaker said:
i already answered ur shits which are a bunch of headcanons
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none of it was.. if you had read it Fakenaker
 
Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Mommy Fubuki!
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#92
#92
ImmaIvanoM said:
Oh c’mon… Taking shit out of context… You know what they are talking about is Vergo realizing Law was gonna destroy the SAD factory… Jesus Christ this is lame

C’mon man, you don’t need to go this far for your agenda pushing… Respect people’s intelligence and don’t lie so blatantly like this
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Still run away.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#93
#93
BleakAsh said:
Sanji: When he's healthy he'd be worth 10 men

*Zoro wakes up from his painful sleep*:
2000!!
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Hence why it’s gag… And none of this “rivalry” will ever actually amount to anything or be presented without gags attached

Dudes, Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman in the world… What in god’s name does that have to Do with Sanji?

Have you guys never seen an actual rivalry in Manga before? Have you not read Hunter x Hunter and seen Gon and Killua? Sasuke and Naruto? Even Asta and Yuno?… Seriously, where do you guys get off comparing this Zoro and Sanji thing to any actual serious rivalry in any series ever written?
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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#95
#95
BleakAsh said:
denial? sir.. you're expecting a world class author to mistake a Ptrenodon's beak with a pigeon's... and you're claiming that I'm in denial..


yall fuck the straw man fr... give the lad a break for once
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none of it was.. if you had read it Fakenaker
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Your argument about King's straight beak implicates Oda doesn't change his designs..

Oda literally retconned Page One's design 2 times in order to make it scientifically accurate.

For example: originally, Page One didn't have the crests on his eyes and he had a normal lizard tail. Then it was discovered that Spinosaurus actually had an alligator tail and when we see Page in Onigashima, he has an alligator tail.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#98
#98
BleakAsh said:
o damn.. this is soo conditional of you all.
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@BleakAsh Oh my god, is this the new Sanji fan agenda? Are all of you guys now buying this panel? What is going on? It’s like you guys are a hive mind… One of you presents some lame ass argument and suddenly all of you just buy into it

So you believe Vergo is running way from Sanji in this panel? My god. I don’t even know what to say now
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BleakAsh said:
doesn't seem like it
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@BleakAsh Why doesn’t it seem like it? The fact that neither character ever actually says anything about this rivalry when they are actually doing serious things? None of their goals ever actually involve one another. They never actually learn anything from one another.

what part of this rivalry seems like let’s say Gon and Killua to you
 
BleakAsh

BleakAsh

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#100
#100
Finalbeta said:
Your argument about King's straight beak implicates Oda doesn't change his designs..
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Name one Ptrenodon that has a bent beak and I'll ask the mods to ban me from this thread..


You are assuming that oda made such a fundamental change to king just for design sake... and it made him look worse..


Pay pay in reality.. his dinosaur has variations..

just name me one Ptrenndon variant that has a bent beak... be realistic like you usually and consistent.. not dodgy
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ImmaIvanoM said:
Oh my god, is this the new Sanji fan agenda?
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Gm
 
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