Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1016 Spoilers Discussion

[Kuro Ashi]

Again that is basic. It's the same way zoro sensed vergo a distance away in punk hazard. It's the same way Coby sense a missile from a distance. It's the same way in which zoro pick up that kiku was hiding the fact that she was a man. Danger sense is a basic ability of observation

Zoro could only perceive Vergo's presence while Sanji could also perceive the incredible level of threat said presence wasy exerting towards Tashigi and the marines , thus displaying a superior level of observation.

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Yip. And didn't sense the intent of the individuals talking hence why he was tricked in the first place. He lacks proper danger sense which is a basic ability of observation haki

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It's true though. Dude sensed an inanimate object which in a sense is more difficult since haki is about reading and sensing the feelings of others

Except he dodged an attack aimed at him by someone who was tracking his future movement via future sight, while being distracted by Pudding falling apart emotionally in front of him.

Regardless in the instance you discuss in your post he's shown to be aware of certain events that Luffy and Jimbe can't even perceive on any level.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Zoro could only perceive Vergo's presence while Sanji could also perceive the incredible level of threat said presence wasy exerting towards Tashigi and the marines , thus displaying a superior level of observation.

Well that's cap since in the manga zoro perceived killers strength before fighting him with observation. Zoro actually did perceive vergos strength and presence from a distance hence his comment when even the experimented dragon was running away from the threat (vergo)

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Well that's cap since in the manga zoro perceived killers strength before fighting him with observation. Zoro actually did perceive vergos strength and presence from a distance hence his comment when even the experimented dragon was running away from the threat (vergo)

You are agreeing with what i said. Zoro could only perceive Vergo, and not what Vergo was doing to Tashigi and the marines.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Hell we can take it further zoro was even able to sense that drake is hiding something. Hence why he intially distrusted him

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Chapter so bad it made Blother leave.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Hell we can take it further zoro was even able to sense that drake is hiding something. Hence why he intially distrusted him

Not sure I’d go as far as calling that haki. Zoro’s always been skeptical of people and amazing at sniffing out stuff like that since Whiskey Peak. Unless you want to argue he’s had CoO since then.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Where's Seth

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

You are agreeing with what i said. Zoro could only perceive Vergo, and not what Vergo was doing to Tashigi and the marines.

Well apparently sanji is in the same boat since as he stated he only heard tashigis tears (he being woman). This later is the reason why he is tricked arcs later in wano with him hearing the tears of a lady without sensing the intent of everyone else including that lady involved. Which is again why luffy who's has future sight didn't run in that location cuz he sense no danger. Same as jinbe.

Hence why sanji still is lacking in the observation department

 

[mrtsrdr]

Yip. And didn't sense the intent of the individuals talking hence why he was tricked in the first place. He lacks proper danger sense which is a basic ability of observation haki

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It's true though. Dude sensed an inanimate object which in a sense is more difficult since haki is about reading and sensing the feelings of others

Because He dont meet Black Maria . Observation haki dont use for reading peoples intention. Firstly, you should learn what haki

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Not sure I’d go as far as calling that haki. Zoro’s always been skeptical of people and amazing at sniffing out stuff like that since Whiskey Peak. Unless you want to argue he’s had CoO since then.

You don't even need to engage with that argument when X Drake was basically a Beast Pirate through out the whole arc, chasing after the SH's through out the first two acts, as well as acting as a Beast Pirate through the whole Onigashima until just seconds before him trying to claim that he has defected and wants to join the SH's.

It's like common sense not to just accept that. You can make an argument that Luffy was able to pick up on the fact that X Drake was honest and was not trying to catch them in a trap there, not that Zoro was suspicious about this enemy suddenly trying to ally with them.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Not sure I’d go as far as calling that haki. Zoro’s always been skeptical of people and amazing at sniffing out stuff like that since Whiskey Peak. Unless you want to argue he’s had CoO since then.

He literally did this with Kiki and drake. He straight up stated that she is hiding her true strength etc etc. And that she isn't being honest. And with drake he explained that he knows he is telling the truth to luffy on terms of joining the alliance however he also tells him that he is hiding something which is also true

 

[zzShinichi]

Member when we thought Lance's Sargasso Ocean was related to some Forian triangle lore shit and turns out it's a name of Ussop's new attack?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Because He dont meet Black Maria . Observation haki dont use for reading peoples intention. Firstly, you should learn what haki

Bullshit. Raleigh explained that this is how haki works especially for luffy. He sense intentions and the emotions of said intentions. Hence why danger sense is a basic ability of haki users.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Well apparently sanji is in the same boat since as he stated he only heard tashigis tears (he being woman). This later is the reason why he is tricked arcs later in wano with him hearing the tears of a lady without sensing the intent of everyone else including that lady involved. Which is again why luffy who's has future sight didn't run in that location cuz he sense no danger. Same as jinbe.

Hence why sanji still is lacking in the observation department

Except Luffy and Jimbe are shown to be entirely unaware of those events. They have absolutely zero understanding of what Sanji could perceive, because they can not perceive it at any level.

Luffy and Jimbe literally can not make a good or a bad choice in regards to those events when they are entirely unaware of their existence.

 

[Dread Pirate]

I’m really annoyed with how the ulti stuff went down. She actually was the only enemy outside the yonko to cause any significant damage to her opponents.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Except Luffy and Jimbe are shown to be entirely unaware of those events. They have absolutely zero understanding of what Sanji could perceive, because they can not perceive it at any level.

Luffy and Jimbe literally can not make a good or a bad choice in regards to those events when they are entirely unaware of their existence.

Again true but also false. They couldn't perceive it because their was no negative intent or powerful presence in said direction. Hence why jinbe and luffy had a conversation saying that sanji must have sense a threat that the couldn't etc etc. Except we find out it wasn't a threat. It was again a woman gag with sanji

 

[Dr_Professor83]

He literally did this with Kiki and drake. He straight up stated that she is hiding her true strength etc etc. And that she isn't being honest. And with drake he explained that he knows he is telling the truth to luffy on terms of joining the alliance however he also tells him that he is hiding something which is also true

With Kiku that does seem to be a haki instance. With Zoro now that I’m thinking about it I’d have to go back and look again, I remember him clashing with X Drake even after Luffy told him he was fine if I’m not mistaken. Still ultimately coming to that conclusion could be a haki nod possibly. There’s no doubt Zoro has good CoO. With people I imagine his natural ability to detect lies on top of CoO is what helps in a situation like Drake if it was CoO looking back.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

You don't even need to engage with that argument when X Drake was basically a Beast Pirate through out the whole arc, chasing after the SH's through out the first two acts, as well as acting as a Beast Pirate through the whole Onigashima until just seconds before him trying to claim that he has defected and wants to join the SH's.

It's like common sense not to just accept that. You can make an argument that Luffy was able to pick up on the fact that X Drake was honest and was not trying to catch them in a trap there, not that Zoro was suspicious about this enemy suddenly trying to ally with them.

Again cap. Unlike luffy zoro also in the same manner picked up that kiku was lying.

Zoro picked up that drake was hiding the truth which he actually is from the strawhats. Zoro even states that x drake is indeed honest with joining luffy in the alliance but that he is still hiding something which is true

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Again true but also false. They couldn't perceive it because their was no negative intent or powerful presence in said direction. Hence why jinbe and luffy had a conversation saying that sanji must have sense a threat that the couldn't etc etc. Except we find out it wasn't a threat. It was again a woman gag with sanji

We can stop at "they could not perceive it". Sanji's shown to be able to perceive something that Luffy and Jimbe can not perceive.

Indeed they were so clueless that they had to make random assumptions, as they had nothing else to work with.

Sanji's shown able to be able to hear both the man and the woman

outright the exact discussion they are having, so he's shown to be able to pick up said discussion regardless of the genders involved, while Luffy and Jimbe remain entirely unaware of it's existence.

 

[Lion of Olympus]

We can stop at "they could not perceive it". Sanji's shown to be able to perceive something that Luffy and Jimbe can not perceive.

Indeed they were so clueless that they had to make random assumptions, as they had nothing else to work with.

Sanji's shown able to be able to hear both the man and the woman

outright the exact discussion they are having, so he's shown to be able to pick up said discussion regardless of the genders involved, while Luffy and Jimbe remain entirely unaware of it's existence.

I don’t even get why people argue about this. Luffy clearly stated that he was inferior to Sanji in that aspect of CoO lol