General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

[Rekien]

Or his claws, shigan & tekkai superiority.




It's not headcanon, just using his logic against him.

>Normal shigan is good enough, thus Jabura doesn't need his claws

Okay, normal rankyaku is good enough, thus Kaku doesn't need his legs or neck

It's that simple, both Kaku AND Jyabura need their other bodily weapons because it enhances their attacks.

Also, Jyabura only utelizing his fighting style when using his DF is just headcanon because we never saw him fight in Base form.






Yes, Kaku uses his legs as swords, the only reason he is able to do this is because he is physically strong enough to since legs are normally blunt limbs that do not have the sharpness of swords.

Kaku being able to use his legs and neck as a weapon, is purely through physical strength and nothing else so don't come at me with this BS trying to downplay the Doriki power system that Oda deliberately added to demonstrate the gap between the top 2 in CP9, and Lucci himself.

I am talking about his blades and neck, not his legs.

A lot of Kaku's atacks simply cannot be done if he dosent have his swords or a giraffe's long neck.

 

[Julius]

Oda gave more Luffy and Zoro scenes at Wano cuz WCI was full of Luffy and Sanji, and as they are Luffy's main "Commanders", thats how they need to be highlighted. And Wano is all about fights basicly, Zoro needed to be showcased with Luffy somehow, thats obvious, but now he is probably fighting King while Sanji fights Queen, thats something Zoro fans usually ignore, and the fact that Zoro and Sanji got MUCH more moments than Luffy/Zoro, some of them may get mad when you bring Jabra and Kaku even nowadays

 

[Goat Cracker]

Or his claws, shigan & tekkai superiority.

• His claws are DFs genius .
• Shigan is a technique that all of them could use .
• He has no tekkai superiority here genius when Kaku's tekkai > Jyabura's tekkai

It's not headcanon, just using his logic against him.

>Normal shigan is good enough, thus Jabura doesn't need his claws

Okay, normal rankyaku is good enough, thus Kaku doesn't need his legs or

• Fighting using claws is already a DF power don't bring ur crap around .
• using slashes and pressuring with swords is what Kaku did against Zoro and he is using four sword style unless your genius mind confirms that swordless Zoro is equal to swordman Zoro.

It's that simple, both Kaku AND Jyabura need their other bodily weapons because it enhances their attacks.

Kaku use his legs with his swords to use four sword style wtf did Jyabura use to name it a swordmanship ?

Also, Jyabura only utelizing his fighting style when using his DF is just headcanon because we never saw him fight in Base form.

You are using your headcanon here when His tekkai kenpo has the wolf name in them which is related to his DF .

Yes, Kaku uses his legs as swords, the only reason he is able to do this is because he is physically strong enough to since legs are normally blunt limbs that do not have the sharpness of swords.

Hi legs can clash with swords + his swords pressured Zoro to the end .

Kaku being able to use his legs and neck as a weapon, is purely through physical strength and nothing else so don't come at me with this BS trying to downplay the Doriki power system t

Kaku is the only one showed using his legs to pressure ppl with the aid with his swords wtf are u smocking ? Show me Lucci doing that or Jyabura ? It is a fighting style he isn't proficient in two sword style but four sword style gtfo with ur headcanons

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Thats why he is a specialist in Tekkai, of course his tekkai would be better than Kaku's.

The point is... That skill is more important than any skill that Kaku has over Jyabura

Again, it's like comparing Two Haki users... one can use it anytime, during attack or defense or even while dodging... while the other can ONLY use it in his place frozen... risking to be hit.. unable to dodge... risking to have his tekkai broken...

For me that skill puts Jyabura over but Oda wrote Kaku to be superior just cause he faught Zoro and nothing else... cause Logically he shouldn't be over Jyabura

 

[Robin swan]

This is a hypothetical we are assuming that you wouldn't get arrested. You still need to fight to reach your goal which is the finish line. The baratie was a stationary restaurant in the safest sea yet the chefs aboard knew how to fight because there was always the threat of pirates attacking, now imagine someone setting out to the furthest corners of the world in search of the all blue for example or to draw a map of the world or uncover the true history of the world etc......would this person not run into great danger and need to fight, of course they would and this applies to every strawhat. You are simply repeating my point with your last example.......yes Luffy and Zoros dreams are directly linked to fighting someone but the other strawhats NEED to also fight to reach their finish line in this hypothetical marathon.

Ok ok ok I see what the problem here is. You can't separate the daily life as a pirate with a dream. So stop we are or at least my point is strictly talking about the crew's dreams not their daily life. You can stop bringing up extra stuff now. I thought I was being clear when I kept saying dreams but clearly I wasn't. What I'm talking about is dreams only so on that point only zoro and luffy need to fight to achieve their dreams and the others don't. When I say need to fight I mean specific people they need to be able to beat to accomplish their dreams. Let me be clear this is dreams only what the characters want to accomplish not what they might encounter in the world of op otherwise you can say everything everyone wants to accomplish they have to fight for cuz a pirate like kidd can show up any day by virtue of the world of op. Which is a huge net and I'm sure you wouldn't say some farmer in the middle of east blue has the same dream like luffy would you? Why even jump to this extreme.

 

[Goat Cracker]

Panel shows blood splattering

Fans: it did nothing

 

[Shepherd]

Jabra can use all his atacks in human form, Kaku has atacks that he CANNOT use while in his normal human form or withoud his swords...Are you saying a normal human can extend his neck to atack someone, or extent his arms until they become as big as swords?

Jabura's DF adds leg, body and arm-power that cause him to be tankier and Shigan with far more force and lethality because they turn his otherwise blunt fingers, into sharp weapons. That is a significant buff that cannot be overlooked.

NO, Jabura could NOT Shigan to the same degree if he isn't in his DF form because his fingers are blunt without his claws.

NO, Jabura could NOT use Tekkai Kenpo to the same degree if he isn't in his DF form because his back and upper-body is much smaller and thinner without the tankiness and upper-body power that his wolf DF adds.

YES, Jabura could still use these techniques without his DF but to such a lessened degree theoretically that it isn't even worth mentioning.

Jabura's Gekko Jushigan for example, would be significantly weaker without the added penetration that his claws provide, and the extra leg-force from his wolf-legs that allow him to geppo better.

You dont even understand what Ryankaku even is, it is a SLASHING ATACK, its an atack that uses his limbs as weapons. And unless you paid any attention at all is not that he cant use it with his arms, is that ITS STRONGER WITH A SWORD.

Yes, it is a SLASHING ATTACK but to use his BLUNT LIMBS AS SWORDS, requires purely physical strength since blunt limbs do not inheretly have the sharpness of a weapon.

Thus the Doriki is still accurate, since physical strength is just as important to Kaku as it is for Jyabura since Kaku requires pure physical force to turn his blunt limbs into weapons.

 

[Rekien]

The point is... That skill is more important than any skill that Kaku has over Jyabura

Again, it's like comparing Two Haki users... one can use it anytime, during attack or defense or even while dodging... while the other can ONLY use it in his place frozen... risking to be hit.. unable to dodge... risking to have his tekkai broken...

For me that skill puts Jyabura over but Oda wrote Kaku to be superior just cause he faught Zoro and nothing else... cause Logically he shouldn't be over Jyabura

When every atack can absolutely destroy your Tekai defense.....Having moving Tekkai dont realy matter at all.

For example:

MR1 is literaly made of steel making him automaticaly more durable than Jabra that merely enchances his body to be as durable as steel, Zoro's fight with him was tough not because Zoro couldnt land atacks, but because his durability was just too strong, the moment where Zoro learned to cut steel the fight was over.

 

[Shepherd]

I am talking about his blades and neck, not his legs.

A lot of Kaku's atacks simply cannot be done if he dosent have his swords or a giraffe's long neck.

I'm not denying this, but my point is that said techniques that use his neck for example require purely physical force.

By the way, Kaku doesn't have any good moves that utelize his swords. All of Kaku's best moves revolve around using his body as a weapon which requires pure physical force because limbs are blunt.

 

[Finalbeta]

Of course some situations are exclusive (and mutually why not) to Luffy and Zoro.

Aside from the obvious power level gap here's an example, at least for now valid:

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Again, I see blood, not sure why you’re laughing

 

[Taper]

Ok ok ok I see what the problem here is. You can't separate the daily life as a pirate with a dream. So stop we are or at least my point is strictly talking about the crew's dreams not their daily life. You can stop bringing up extra stuff now. I thought I was being clear when I kept saying dreams but clearly I wasn't. What I'm talking about is dreams only so on that point only zoro and luffy need to fight to achieve their dreams and the others don't. When I say need to fight I mean specific people they need to be able to beat to accomplish their dreams. Let me be clear this is dreams only what the characters want to accomplish not what they might encounter in the world of op otherwise you can say everything everyone wants to accomplish they have to fight for cuz a pirate like kidd can show up any day by virtue of the world of op. Which is a huge net and I'm sure you wouldn't say some farmer in the middle of east blue has the same dream like luffy would you? Why even jump to this extreme.

No of course a farmer in the east blue has no reason to get stronger and fight, but if this farmer wanted to travel all over the world to find lets say a special seed that is said to not exist then he would have to get stronger and fight since along the way he will certainly encounter threats. We actually agree on most of these things but I think it's miscommunication on both our parts.

 

[Shepherd]

When every atack can absolutely destroy your Tekai defense.....Having moving Tekkai dont realy matter at all.

It's good that Jyabura is also faster and more mobile than Kaku. During the fight Kaku is very stationary, compared to Jyabura in his hybrid who has moves like this:

Show me Kaku in his Hybrid form moving that fast

He used his strongest attack that one he used against Sanji and did nothing to usopp

By the way, this attack wasn't his strongest.

If you paid any attention you would know the one that Jabura used on Sanji was far stronger because it had Geppo behind it.

 

[Robin swan]

No of course a farmer in the east blue has no reason to get stronger and fight, but if this farmer wanted to travel all over the world to find lets say a special seed that is said to not exist then he would have to get stronger and fight since along the way he will certainly encounter threats. We actually agree on most of these things but I think it's miscommunication on both our parts.

Fair enough

 

[Goat Cracker]

Again, I see blood, not sure why you’re laughing

His strongest attack couldn't do shit to Usopp while Kaku's Strongest attack made Zoro and Jyabura and Usopp running for their life

 

[Julius]

Of course some situations are exclusive (and mutually why not) to Luffy and Zoro.

Aside from the obvious power level gap here's an example, at least for now valid:

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

When every atack can absolutely destroy your Tekai defense.....Having moving Tekkai dont realy matter at all.

For example:

MR1 is literaly made of steel making him automaticaly more durable than Jabra that merely enchances his body to be as durable as steel, Zoro's fight with him was tough not because Zoro couldnt land atacks, but because his durability was just too strong, the moment where Zoro learned to cut steel the fight was over.

That’s such a bad excuse! OMG!
I swear to god the amount of bias is blinding everyone here!

Moving and Dodging while still maintaining your tekkai allows you to absorb way more many attacks...
Lucci freaking took a step back to lessen and absorb a hit from Luffy in gear 2nd... he jumped back to lessen the power... if he was able to maintain Tekkai too he wouldn’t even get damaged!

Lucci and Kaku had a huuuuge weakness with this skill.. if you cannot actually comprehend how big of a weakness that was... You’re just being stubborn for the sake of agenda!

Lucci LITERALLY lost because of that skill weakness!
Luffy’s two strongest attacks that affected Lucci were:
- Gear 3rd
- Jet Gatling

If Lucci was able to MOVE and Dodge while maintaining Tekkai he wouldn’t have lost...

It’s a huuuuge weakness and Jyabura doesn’t have it... yet we’re still arguing

 

[Goat Cracker]

By the way, this attack wasn't his strongest.

If you paid any attention you would know the one that Jabura used on Sanji was far stronger because it had Geppo behind it.

Geppo is jumbing to the air and this is what Jyabura did and used his attack against Sanji

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

His strongest attack couldn't do shit to Usopp while Kaku's Strongest attack made Zoro and Jyabura and Usopp running for their life

Oh really... so a guy who was laughing his ass off on the ground dodge it... so basically it was not even worthy enough to land the hit

Good to know

 

[Finalbeta]

He better not push his luck too broadly