General & Others Rayleigh is a mixture of both Zoro and Sanji

[Nvax]

You’re literally saying yea that happens in the manga ..but what if it was Sanji. Ok your point is that’s just characters opinion of zoro based on word of mouth in the one piece world. But what’s your opinion is zoro not obviously depicted as stronger and with superiority in the crew?

My point if the entire argument is based on headcanon and "well Oda put it this way so it must be telling us something". What it's telling us is simple.


Is Zoro depicted as stronger? Yes, obviously. Zoro is very clearly presented as the stronger of the two almost all the time.

Is he depicted as having superiority in the crew? No. As I've said. There is no vice captain. Anyone can talk over each other. Nothing supports the notion that Zoro has superiority to anyone

 

[HA001]

My point if the entire argument is based on headcanon and "well Oda put it this way so it must be telling us something". What it's telling us is simple.


Is Zoro depicted as stronger? Yes, obviously. Zoro is very clearly presented as the stronger of the two almost all the time.

Is he depicted as having superiority in the crew? No. As I've said. There is no vice captain. Anyone can talk over each other. Nothing supports the notion that Zoro has superiority to anyone

Except water7 pre and post ennies lobby and thriller bark.

 

[ZoroGang]

My point if the entire argument is based on headcanon and "well Oda put it this way so it must be telling us something". What it's telling us is simple.


Is Zoro depicted as stronger? Yes, obviously. Zoro is very clearly presented as the stronger of the two almost all the time.

Is he depicted as having superiority in the crew? No. As I've said. There is no vice captain. Anyone can talk over each other. Nothing supports the notion that Zoro has superiority to anyone

I can name 3 times zoro has given Sanji orders that he followed

 

[nik87]

Completely ignores the points I made

I didnt ignore them, I thought about all of them and there are no unique or rare traits which are parallels between Rayleigh and Sanji.

 

[Nvax]

I didnt ignore them, I thought about all of them and there are no unique or rare traits which are parallels between Rayleigh and Sanji.

This isn't about unique or rare traits. You just said they had NOTHING in common. That's objectively not true. Its very clear that Rayleigh shares similarities to these two specific strawhats who happen to be the left and right hand of Luffy

 

[ZoroGang]

This isn't about unique or rare traits. You just said they had NOTHING in common. That's objectively not true. Its very clear that Rayleigh shares similarities to these two specific strawhats who happen to be the left and right hand of Luffy

Luffys left hand is Usopp
Sanji is just the third strongest
I’ve never seen anybody call him left hand

 

[nik87]

This isn't about unique or rare traits. You just said they had NOTHING in common. That's objectively not true. Its very clear that Rayleigh shares similarities to these two specific strawhats who happen to be the left and right hand of Luffy

Which top 3 similarities do they share?

 

[Nvax]

Except water7 pre and post ennies lobby and thriller bark.

Oh really? Kinda like how Sanji kicked Luffy to prevent him from telling Usopp to leave
Or Nami telling Luffy to not fight in Mock Town
Or Franky telling Luffy even if he said no, he'd help the tontatta.

It's almost like the crew doesnt function in the way normal crews do and the crew can do what they want if they feel its the right thing or smart thing to do with certain limits.

Dont even know why Thriller Bark is here. Had nothing to do with his superiority over Sanji.

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Which top 3 similarities do they share?

I guess it'll be a mystery

 

[Chaves]

 

[HA001]

Oh really? Kinda like how Sanji kicked Luffy to prevent him from telling Usopp to leave
Or Nami telling Luffy to not fight in Mock Town
Or Franky telling Luffy even if he said no, he'd help the tontatta.

It's almost like the crew doesnt function in the way normal crews do and the crew can do what they want if they feel its the right thing or smart thing to do with certain limits.

Dont even know why Thriller Bark is here. Had nothing to do with his superiority over Sanji.

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I guess it'll be a mystery

No sanjis actions are irrelevant ussop disrespected the captain funnily enough so does sanji in wci.
What ! Nami told them to fight back zoro and luffy didnt.
Glad you brought up that scene oda chose the triggers of the story to meet black beard. Sanji no where to be seen.
Again thats irrelevant.

 

[Albino 👑]

Rayleigh is rayleigh tho tbh he does seem like better than both lol. So i guess he is kinda a best of both worlds to an extent

Tho sayin hes a mixture of sanji and zoro doesn't really mean much at the end of the day cause it doesn't really effect anything power levels included. So to avoid any power level debate since it don't have anything really to do with the thread (unless it already happened

 

[Nvax]

No sanjis actions are irrelevant ussop disrespected the captain funnily enough so does sanji in wci.
What ! Nami told them to fight back zoro and luffy didnt.
Glad you brought up that scene oda chose the triggers of the story to meet black beard. Sanji no where to be seen.
Again thats irrelevant.

Im not doing the Sanji WCI island thing again. Its the dumbest and most pointless thing to argue because no matter how many times we present the facts, you guys only take what you want to take from it. Many blessings on that.


Damn, you're right. Sanji not being there completely invalidates my argument somehow. Because someone I implied that Zoro and Nami werent the triggers of the story...

 

[nik87]

I guess it'll be a mystery

Dont be a chicken now.
Your 3 points are intelligence, kicker and women and all 3 are simply wrong.
If you use intelligence as parallel, Robin is the one to link him with the most. Almost all crew members had their intelligence highlighted at some point.
Kicker? First time I see someone calling Rayleigh a kicker... Zoro has kicked people more often than Rayleigh did and nobody made that a parallel with Sanji.
Women? There is a clear difference between young boy who fantasizes about women and a mature man who enjoys women. Franky had women with him the most and for a change, doesnt scare them away like Sanji.

 

[Nvax]

Luffys left hand is Usopp
Sanji is just the third strongest
I’ve never seen anybody call him left hand

right, the iconic trio of Luffy and his right and left hand man. The strongest and weakest in the crew. Going by your previous logic, its weird that Oda had SANJI of all people become temporary captain of one team and Zoro the other (in WCI). I mean the only thing Usopp is above Sanji in is order in which he joined but yeah....

 

[ZoroGang]

right, the iconic trio of Luffy and his right and left hand man. The strongest and weakest in the crew. Going by your previous logic, its weird that Oda had SANJI of all people become temporary captain of one team and Zoro the other (in WCI). I mean the only thing Usopp is above Sanji in is order in which he joined but yeah....

Usopp saved Luffys whole pirate career on dressrosa. Sanji then pretended like he didn’t know who luffy was by now in Wci . I don’t know why you posted that pic Sanji is the third strongest so he gets his movements like those.

 

[Nvax]

Dont be a chicken now.
Your 3 points are intelligence, kicker and women and all 3 are simply wrong.
If you use intelligence as parallel, Robin is the one to link him with the most. Almost all crew members had their intelligence highlighted at some point.
Kicker? First time I see someone calling Rayleigh a kicker... Zoro has kicked people more often than Rayleigh did and nobody made that a parallel with Sanji.
Women? There is a clear difference between young boy who fantasizes about women and a mature man who enjoys women. Franky had women with him the most and for a change, doesnt scare them away like Sanji.

This is what you're not understanding.


Rayeligh is a tactician. I didnt just say he's smart. Unlike Robin, he's a combatant and frontliner at that. The only person in the crew who's both highly tactical and a frontline fighter is Sanji. Zoro is an idiot. Rayeligh is very smart.


Zoro is not a kicker. There is difference between kicking someone on occasion and what was portrayed by Oda. Rayleigh showed SKILL in what he did. What Im saying is he's equally as efficient one way of the other, Sanji can use knives similar to a swordsman, Zoro can kick, obviously but neither are BOTH.


I dont know why you think Im saying it has to be a PERFECT parallel to work. Rayleigh isnt missing an eye so therefore that parallel isnt there. As I said, Rayleigh is them at their best. Sanji is a womanizer just like Rayleigh (first thing he says is he likes young women). Shakky said he often goes out for months with women. Thats a big trait of his that obviously resembles Sanji. It doesnt have to be exact to work. Rayeligh uses one sword. Zoro uses three. Rayleigh has two eyes. Zoro has one. There are very SMALL differences that dont invalidate the comparison.

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Usopp saved Luffys whole pirate career on dressrosa. Sanji then pretended like he didn’t know who luffy was by now in Wci . I don’t know why you posted that pic Sanji is the third strongest so he gets his movements like those.

Already said Im done with the WCI stuff. If you want to be dense on that subject do it somewhere else. Sanji saved the entire crew on several occasions

 

[ShadyOjiro]

wew.....

Some months ago.... Scooper this and that.....

Now leeching to others for relevance is the route ...

 

[True God Moe]

Rayleigh honestly look like older Sanji. The facial structure is quite similar to be honest. Also he does address Sanji the most than Zoro when talking anyone besides Luffy. Push more on authority side like that.

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wew.....

Some months ago.... Scooper this and that.....

Now leeching to others for relevance is the route ...

Sad how Zoro fans will stoop to keep away from what Oda show them.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I've made a thread like this, but it got closed down.

Anyways, what matters in a parallel is symbolism. Otherwise, it's just trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It reminds me of the nonsense that people put into the repeating timeline theory. Bege blasted Oven? Totally the post-timeskip equivalent to Usopp sniping Spandam, amirite?

Zoro and Sanji are Luffy's heaviest hitters, and soon Jimbei will join them. That doesn't make them share Rayleigh's parallel together; it just means they're the strongest.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Sanji can be strategic at times but his intelligence was never highlighted to be exponential unlike Rayleigh. Besides, sharing similarities isn't always the same thing as being a parallel.

So Zoro facing similarities to X means parallel?

Rayleigh was never Zoro really
Rayleigh has CoC ; born leader, smart , womanizer, can coat ships, has martial skills, has a goatee, tactician, advisor

Rayleigh is Zoro + sanji but better.

Luffy has 2 people who are top fighters, 3 with Jinbei
Roger had Rayleigh only. (Oden is not a true member)

People should stop thinking luffy crew is modeled after Roger!
Luffy crew is modelle after Shanks : balanced between between his top 3, the crew is based on loyalty and trust.