General & Others Zoro and Sanji, Wings of Pirate King

[Rivaille]

Or this may be one of that times Paul's translation isn't accurate considering that it goes against the SBS identical statement, what other translators have chosen and what other Japanese speakers interpreted. Oda changing his mind a lot during the last 24 years doesn't seem to apply to Zoro and Sanji as much as you may believe, in my opinion.

I'm not sure I fully understand your second sentence (I think I get the idea), I'd appreciate if you worded it better.

What I mean is that Paul’s translation got proof read by Japanese editors to see if they convey what Oda wants to convey therefore I trust him more than other people’s translations.

The relationship between Zoro and Sanji can still be the same but Sanji has his own statut in the crew. So rather than have Zoro and Sanji being the wings only Sanji is. Oda might give Zoro another statut later.

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All i can see it's an obvious matter of translation, none of them are necessarily wrong. Especially seeing the SBS 73 from 2014

Paul’s translation are proofread by the Japanese editors tho.

 

[Julius]

because Brook's may also be highly debatable.

Exactly, Brook's speech about Sanji went from 8 to 80, it's kinda odd but it definitely shows how there are many ways to translate and interpretate those

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Paul’s translation are proofread by the Japanese editors tho.

Ok, if you say so :cheers:

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Forget about Sanji "Wing or Wings" thingy, why the hell would they changed Brook's dialogue out of nowhere?

 

[Kishido]

Expected from Stephen and expected from this forum LOL

 

[IceWitch]

News flash.

It's obvious that ALL of the crew, including Sanji of course, are Luffy's "wings", and that is what Robin was referring to.

This is why Sanji fans are teased, you took one misquoted statement to way overhype Sanji.

 

[Chaves]

Still with that? Is the yonkou example not enough?

When an emperor is called ''yonkou'' (四皇 - 4 emperors) it does not mean that that emperor is literally the 4 emperors lmfao. There are 3 others that are also yonkous.

Just as ''Wings'' (両 翼 - Both wings) does not mean that Sanji is literally the two wings. Of course there is another character that is the 'other wing' along with Sanji

Anyway, Stephen didn't get the translation wrong, but it's abstract and out of context.

 

[Jailer]

Z-boys nightmare

 

[JoNdule]

Zoro fsnboys when VIz translate like they want for other characters "viz knows best"
Zoro fanboys when Viz doesn't say dodge "no, Viz sucks...viz isn't perfect...we are going on twitter to call out Stephen "

Viz was never the gospel, only zoro fans push it as the gospel and also downplay it when it doesn't translate words that hype Zoro.

 

[MonsterKaido]

@Le Fishe D. Crydo Viz is inaccurate right

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Luffy doesn't have wings which means Sanji doesn't even exist. Sanji's been an illusion all along. Oda is genius.

 

[Zowo]

Zoro fsnboys when VIz translate like they want for other characters "viz knows best"
Zoro fanboys when Viz doesn't say dodge "no-one Viz sucks...viz isn't perfect...we are going on twitter to call our Stephen "

Viz was never the gospel, only zoro fans push it as the gospel and also downplay it when it doesn't translate words that hype Zoro.

viz is your worst nightmare

 

[Kishido]

Still with that? Is the yonkou example not enough?

When an emperor is called ''yonkou'' (四皇 - 4 emperors) it does not mean that that emperor is literally the 4 emperors lmfao. There are 3 others that are also yonkous.

Just as ''Wings'' (両 翼 - Both wings) does not mean that Sanji is literally the two wings. Of course there is another character that is the 'other wing' along with Sanji

Anyway, Stephen didn't get the translation wrong, but it's abstract and out of context.

Stop being smart.

 

[donkey]

Sanji is smart he is no airhead like Luffy and zoro I am big supporter of skk sanji killing king

 

[Garp the Fist]

Basically it’s kind of like if Black Maria said “Queen is a man worthy of being Kaido’s Calamity!”

Which doesn’t mean that King and Jack aren’t also Calamities.

It‘s a word that applies to two people, but Robin is only talking about Sanji. Saying “one of the wings” might help get the point across better in translation, but it wouldn’t be a literal translation.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

It's probably going to be Luffy's equivalent of "All Star" or "Sweet Commander" but limited to an outstanding duo

Yea it's similar to how the three Calamities/Lead Performers are referred to as the "Pocket Knives" or Right hand men.
I remember that brought some great uproar when Jack kept being referred as Kaido's right hand man despite the obvious existence of Queen and King.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

What I mean is that Paul’s translation got proof read by Japanese editors to see if they convey what Oda wants to convey therefore I trust him more than other people’s translations.

The relationship between Zoro and Sanji can still be the same but Sanji has his own statut in the crew. So rather than have Zoro and Sanji being the wings only Sanji is. Oda might give Zoro another statut later.

Any source of the Japanese editors part, and to what extent are we sure they personally scrutinize Paul's translations for weekly releases? Right now it sounds just completely vague, I doubt we have deep information about how this process exactly works —and still wouldn't negate the reality that other speakers and translators (some official too) didn't understand this sentence in the way Paul did, plus the fact that his translations aren't free of mistakes we can all trace.

Dressrosa wasn't that long ago. I have my doubts Oda is changing the dynamic of Zoro and Sanji being Luffy's wings; it's not like the portrayal of their relationship has really changed since then.

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It‘s a word that applies to two people, but Robin is only talking about Sanji. Saying “one of the wings” might help get the point across better in translation, but it wouldn’t be a literal translation.

But any proper translator would tell you that literal translations are rarely the best option.

 

[donkey]

Next chapter will feature sanji using plans kempo and defeating queen he will awaken lineage factor and become Phoenix immortal

 

[Kishido]

So an Oda Editor is also checking all other translations out as well.

Well check Spanish translation on manga plus

 

[Abysmal]

Lanji won like 4 1v1s in the entire series...
Of course Oda will make him a chicken nugget, Jinbe is more worth for the left hand spot.

 

[Julius]

Still with that? Is the yonkou example not enough?

When an emperor is called ''yonkou'' (四皇 - 4 emperors) it does not mean that that emperor is literally the 4 emperors lmfao. There are 3 others that are also yonkous.

Just as ''Wings'' (両 翼 - Both wings) does not mean that Sanji is literally the two wings. Of course there is another character that is the 'other wing' along with Sanji

Anyway, Stephen didn't get the translation wrong, but it's abstract and out of context.

Thats actually my point here