Powers & Abilities Enma is a Power up.
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They understand that when it comes to Oden but seem to apply different rules to Zoro
Oden never gets undermined like that although he has been using Enma his whole life
Oden never gets undermined like that although he has been using Enma his whole life
enma on its own is not the powerup. a refined haki control and flow is the powerup.
I disagree because I don’t think Zoro can flow his haki as strongly through his other blades as he can Enma.
I see it like Nanatsu no Tazais sacred treasures. Zoro has a strong haki already; however is limited by how much he can use at once. Enma ignores this limit and allows him to use more ryou than Shusui or Kitetsu or Wado ever allowed him to.
But since one slash is so much stronger than the others it absorbs the other two slashes in his three sword style attacks (like what Zoro said in Thriller Bark) and makes the whole attack a lot stronger.
I see it like Nanatsu no Tazais sacred treasures. Zoro has a strong haki already; however is limited by how much he can use at once. Enma ignores this limit and allows him to use more ryou than Shusui or Kitetsu or Wado ever allowed him to.
But since one slash is so much stronger than the others it absorbs the other two slashes in his three sword style attacks (like what Zoro said in Thriller Bark) and makes the whole attack a lot stronger.
There's really nothing suggesting that Enma is more than a training tool allowing its user to exude their maximum haki output in order to train until they gain control over the sword and their arm becomes consistently normal. I think that's fundamentally the point of the training. What Kaido suggested though was possibly related to the fact swords are living objects hence, so perhaps the memories of Oden are still standing as remnant.
i havent watched sds so i dont get that part. nevertheless let me to explain what i meant.
i see it as enma dragging out haki forcefully whenever zoro forms that special aura around enma alone. that is why it is being highlighted specifically around enma. it makes his santoryu attacks lopsided around enma. but we've never seen this happen with oden. so zoro is doing something wrong that oden did right.
the training is to refine his haki control and regulation. so my theory is that, oden, by using enma, could effectively force out the same amounts of haki (by increasing his haki on ame no habakiri and reducing his haki on enma - thereby achieving synergy by virtue of his better developed haki control) - launch stronger attacks than his normal level since his average haki output on both of his two swords have increased.
so by the end of zoro's training phase with enma, i think we would stop seeing these spikes of haki on enma alone. zoro's haki control would reach a stage where, on command, he can envelope all of his swords with the same amount of haki (but the amount is significantly higher than what he could muster pre - enma). hence the spikes or special highlight around enma would go away and we'd see the same output out of zoro as a whole.
but yeah this doesnt take into account the "oden's ryou" part and this is still a pocket theory of mine. lets see what direction oda takes this.
i see it as enma dragging out haki forcefully whenever zoro forms that special aura around enma alone. that is why it is being highlighted specifically around enma. it makes his santoryu attacks lopsided around enma. but we've never seen this happen with oden. so zoro is doing something wrong that oden did right.
the training is to refine his haki control and regulation. so my theory is that, oden, by using enma, could effectively force out the same amounts of haki (by increasing his haki on ame no habakiri and reducing his haki on enma - thereby achieving synergy by virtue of his better developed haki control) - launch stronger attacks than his normal level since his average haki output on both of his two swords have increased.
so by the end of zoro's training phase with enma, i think we would stop seeing these spikes of haki on enma alone. zoro's haki control would reach a stage where, on command, he can envelope all of his swords with the same amount of haki (but the amount is significantly higher than what he could muster pre - enma). hence the spikes or special highlight around enma would go away and we'd see the same output out of zoro as a whole.
but yeah this doesnt take into account the "oden's ryou" part and this is still a pocket theory of mine. lets see what direction oda takes this.
That’s fair. Quick explanation of 7DS
“Sacred treasures” are their main power ups where they say all people have mana within them. To use their abilities it’s like scooping water out of a lake with your hands. You can have an ocean full of mana, but you’re still limited by the amount of water you can fit in your hands as you scoop it out.
This is how I’ve always seen Enma. That Zoro no longer has the limitation of how much water he can fit in his hand and he can use an insane amount of ryou in a single slash.
I personally feel like Oda will have Ame no Habakiri have an ability similar to Enma since Momo was straight up scared to use it similar to kinemon
“Sacred treasures” are their main power ups where they say all people have mana within them. To use their abilities it’s like scooping water out of a lake with your hands. You can have an ocean full of mana, but you’re still limited by the amount of water you can fit in your hands as you scoop it out.
This is how I’ve always seen Enma. That Zoro no longer has the limitation of how much water he can fit in his hand and he can use an insane amount of ryou in a single slash.
I personally feel like Oda will have Ame no Habakiri have an ability similar to Enma since Momo was straight up scared to use it similar to kinemon
Yea haki controlling, cutting more than needing to be cut, draws excessive haki that can be used as a perk and if controlled properly the fatigue could be minimised.
Who would have thought, a powerup and a training tool.. Wow
The pretense of it being a training tool just to avoid calling it what actually is besides zoro's training tool is disingenuous.
Who would have thought, a powerup and a training tool.. Wow
The pretense of it being a training tool just to avoid calling it what actually is besides zoro's training tool is disingenuous.
You missed the part where that tenju guy said it cuts more than the user needs to,and BM suggesting its not an average sword,kaido the reemphasizing that it must be odens sword that cut him.. This all suggest enma cuts exponentially more when imbued with haki unlike any other sword..
Dunno how'd you end up to a shallow conclusion like that
Dunno how'd you end up to a shallow conclusion like that
Except Enma was not the only sword to scar Kaido Ame no habakiri did as well Oden was two sword style user he used both when he injured Kaido. People keep overlooking this to hype Enma to the extremes, from their introduction they had equal amount of hype.
Ame no habakiri was said to be able to cut down the heavens while Enma splits the earth to the bottom of hell. They are both ranked in the same grade as 21 great grade swords alongside Shusui, the only reason people keep treating Enma as supreme grade blade is because it's in Zoro hand.
Ame no habakiri was said to be able to cut down the heavens while Enma splits the earth to the bottom of hell. They are both ranked in the same grade as 21 great grade swords alongside Shusui, the only reason people keep treating Enma as supreme grade blade is because it's in Zoro hand.
I'm not denying that Zoro has its merits in extracting this potential from Enma, but I also can't deny that Enma is evidently a Power-up to Zoro