Questions & Mysteries Why Roger îs not a swordman

#41
Which is not the point. I am not asking for an objective definition, if there was a completely clear one, people would not argue over it.
I am asking for your definition, and without any attitude or ill intent mind you, just saying since this topic can get heated sometimes.

I do think Oda distinguishes between swordsman and swordsman who follow a warrior´s code/bushido or whatever you wanna call it, but question is whether that´s any relevant your definition.
Which is not the point. I am not asking for an objective definition, if there was a completely clear one, people would not argue over it.
I am asking for your definition, and without any attitude or ill intent mind you, just saying since this topic can get heated sometimes.

I do think Oda distinguishes between swordsman and swordsman who follow a warrior´s code/bushido or whatever you wanna call it, but question is whether that´s any relevant your definition.
Emmm Oda never used "Bushido,code" to tag someone as swordman....

Shiryu? Law? Cabaji?
 

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#42
Yeah it´s one possibility but that begs the question, if you are not a completely useless user of it, are not most people better with a sword?
I mean sure, offensive-wise you can have far stronger attacks without a sword with devil fruits, but for most that are not completely useless with it, it´s at least a defensive option against both fellow weapon users and those without.
Thats not the case in op though. Odas not made a middle ground. Hes made it clear either you can use a sword or you cant even if you have one.
 
#47
Thats not the case in op though. Odas not made a middle ground. Hes made it clear either you can use a sword or you cant even if you have one.
He did that for Luffy, did he do that for anybody else? I do not think so.
Maybe most that do have a weapon come close to that without the weapon? Vergo has Rokushiki, yet his epithet is Bamboo related, Law´s strongest attack is without a sword, yet he still requires it for other attacks, even someone like Pica is running around with a sword despite not requiring it 99% of the time.
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I don’t know what point you are trying to make here.
You asked a question of when, i answered it
 
#50
Roger had many extreme battles with garp, as in GARP THE FIST. Unless You think Rogers sword was clashing with garps fist all this time in all these battles, and that îs stupid.

Roger îs Like wb, when needed he can pull his sword bisento to fight weapons, or he punches You into the ground. He îs versatile fighter, not limited to Something.
Loooool We have Luffy who got Garp fighting style and fujitora who can fight with sword and if i remember correctly luffy attacked with coated fist Fuji who stopped him with his sword .:pepedoffy:
 
#52
Emmm Oda never used "Bushido,code" to tag someone as swordman....

Shiryu? Law? Cabaji?
If he makes the WSS distinguish between them, it´s pretty much Oda doing it

What does a swordsman´s code mean? It´s a set of ideals a swordsman should live by, at least in view of some.
And if someone who actually believes in that code does not have the decency to follow said code when fighting an opponent, what do you think that means? He does not see his opposite as a swordsman by his definition. And if said opponent suddenly shows he actually does deserve it, he starts to follow said code of honor.
That´s the background of Mihawk vs Zoro.
So to say it does not exist in OP is factually wrong.
Whether it´s relevant or not is a different story.

 
#55
If he makes the WSS distinguish between them, it´s pretty much Oda doing it

What does a swordsman´s code mean? It´s a set of ideals a swordsman should live by, at least in view of some.
And if someone who actually believes in that code does not have the decency to follow said code when fighting an opponent, what do you think that means? He does not see his opposite as a swordsman by his definition. And if said opponent suddenly shows he actually does deserve it, he starts to follow said code of honor.
That´s the background of Mihawk vs Zoro.
So to say it does not exist in OP is factually wrong.
Whether it´s relevant or not is a different story.

So for swordsmen all come from swords ? if they have swords with them , they have honour , haki , speed , durability etc etc and if they dont have swords all disappear magically? Where is code of honour in that when you give your everything to swords , some codes and still lose to someone who sees sword as shit and uses it anyway to channel somethings through swords ? Will u pretend as you are sword master as wss and he doesnt still??
Only reality what all of them share is they have swords ..and they use it for their own beliefs and ambitions . to become pk , to defend world from pirates or to become wss . it doesnt matter what
 
#56
If he makes the WSS distinguish between them, it´s pretty much Oda doing it

What does a swordsman´s code mean? It´s a set of ideals a swordsman should live by, at least in view of some.
And if someone who actually believes in that code does not have the decency to follow said code when fighting an opponent, what do you think that means? He does not see his opposite as a swordsman by his definition. And if said opponent suddenly shows he actually does deserve it, he starts to follow said code of honor.
That´s the background of Mihawk vs Zoro.
So to say it does not exist in OP is factually wrong.
Whether it´s relevant or not is a different story.

u can be a swordsman and u don t need to follow the code
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#58
So for swordsmen all come from swords ? if they have swords with them , they have honour , haki , speed , durability etc etc and if they dont have swords all disappear magically? Where is code of honour in that when you give your everything to swords , some codes and still lose to someone who sees sword as shit and uses it anyway to channel somethings through swords ? Will u pretend as you are sword master as wss and he doesnt still??
Only reality what all of them share is they have swords ..and they use it for their own beliefs and ambitions . to become pk , to defend world from pirates or to become wss . it doesnt matter what
Why are you asking me? I have the feeling you can´t simply discuss something constructively, either you mock something or get emotional.
I asked for your definition and have not stated yet what mine is, and btw, it´s not about the code.
 
#60
If he makes the WSS distinguish between them, it´s pretty much Oda doing it

What does a swordsman´s code mean? It´s a set of ideals a swordsman should live by, at least in view of some.
And if someone who actually believes in that code does not have the decency to follow said code when fighting an opponent, what do you think that means? He does not see his opposite as a swordsman by his definition. And if said opponent suddenly shows he actually does deserve it, he starts to follow said code of honor.
That´s the background of Mihawk vs Zoro.
So to say it does not exist in OP is factually wrong.
Whether it´s relevant or not is a different story.

Does this disqualify others then?

Relevant or not is a question as you say.

As I say there's no a must have list to be categorized as Swordman in OP.
 
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