General & Others Why I prefer Sabo over Ace.

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TheoryKing

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I'm expecting 100 likes for this, thanks bruvs.


1. Backstory. The circumstances of his backstory with his noble family and him running away from them to live with Ace & Luffy was always more interesting to me than Ace being raised in the mountain with the bandits. When the whole Bluejam thing happened the guy that I was really interest in during the flashback was Sabo, how he dealt with the family drama of helping people who are deemed socially inferior to him, with him seeing the cruelty of the nobles who live a peaceful life but turn their backs on those less unfortunate than them. To this day one of the most iconic/badass/deep moments of the series for me, when it comes to kid flashbacks, is the following panel:


Being born a noble, seeing the dirtiness of the nobles, living amongst the "trash", losing his memory, joining an army that's set out to change the world against the ultimate nobles of the world.


2. Ace had the ambition to make WB the pirate king by being his strong crewmate and such, this always felt like a really weak part of his character, and personally never interested me. On the other hand Sabo's ambition to deal with the Gods of the World and getting into the deep politics of the world is something that felt more meaningful and has more substance to it compared to Ace's ambition.

3. Personality wise, they're not that far apart both falling in the Luffy/Shanks/Roger/Garp type of personality, but Sabo's also a smart guy and not as goofy as them a bit more grounded in other words, but he's also not as seriously stubborn as Ace as well.


4. Fighting style, this is such a landslide win for Sabo for me, it's not even comparable. Leaving out his new fighting style with the mera mera, his old martial arts & haki based fighting style was much more interesting to see than Ace's mera mera fist style, I'm fairly sad that Oda didn't bother going in depth with Sabo's original style yet (maybe he will in the future who knows).
Now the whole combination with the Mera mera/Martial art/Haki based is too freaking badass man. Probably my favorite fighting style so far in the manga, not to mention that normal pipe that he uses with the mera mera.




People often say that Sabo is Ace 2.0, but if being honest I think Ace was just there to eventually introduce Sabo who would be the guy has a bigger impact on the story. So Ace was just a transition to the main event of Sabo. Since I highly doubt Oda is going to go back to hundreds of chapters ago and base Sabo's design off of a random dude he drew, meaning Oda had Sabo in mind during loguetown.

For me Ace & Sabo aren't alike at all, their role as elder brother is the only thing they have in common, other than that, they're 2 completely different characters with different objectives in life. But if I had to pick out of the two, it will easily be Sabo.
 
Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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1- Backstory: Ace going through the process of hating the world and people into appreciating it for the existance of Sabo and Luffy on his side, and starting to appreciate other people, and slowly letting the hate go away which was accumulated because he was cursed with the fact that people hated his father, the pirate king, and he was ashamed of his own blood father.
I think you simply left out that big part of his backstory just to make Sabo look like his backstory is good, while left out the shitty cliche part of losing memory to justify his absence in Marineford. totally fucking bad cliche lazy writing.
I would have preferred at least something like Dragon preventing him to go there at all costs cause he didn't want the Revs to start the war when they are not ready yet. And chief of staff going there is a big involvement from Revs. Let alone Revs are fighting CD and planning to take down CD not the marines itself

But losing memory? Fucking stupid backstory

2- Ace had the ambition to actually know if he deserves to live or not. Him making WB the king or claiming when he first sailed to be PK was all just a front. His true ambition had a big meaning behind it, waaaay too deep, and seeing Luffy along with all his crewmate dying to save him, and then him crying saying "thanks for loving me"
Dude that's just AMAZING


3- Personality wise: Sabo is too god damn uptight, and his cool moments is him "Trying" to act cool. Which is different than Ace who the cool moment with him happens spontanously, he's too chill and not uptight, his cool moments are genuine. There is a thin line between "being cool" and "acting cool" And Ace and Sabo represent that for me.

4- Fighting style: I'll go back to mention number 3 here with Sabo's dragon claw which only exist as a way to make him "act like a cool guy" which is "ugh" terrible. While a haki fist makes more sense to be more powerful than a human doing 3 claws with his hands. It just shows you, genuine from fake Lol
Also, Ace showed more techniques with his Logia fruit than Sabo
On top of that, it was revealed he had all 3 haki types
On top of that, Ace was BETTER than Sabo in their backstory as Ace won 26 over 24 for Sabo
Establishing that Ace was the strongest
And comparing the CURRENT Sabo strength, with Ace 2 YEARS ago, is unfair and truly unjust by your own analysis.

As dead people cannot progress and get stronger, while Sabo had 2 years to strengthen more of his haki, and THEN on top of it, he took Ace's fruit.

All in all, Ace for me will always be a better character than Sabo
Let's hope Akainu magma fist Sabo again Lol
 
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TheoryKing

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Sadistic Senpai said:
1- Backstory: Ace going through the process of hating the world and people into appreciating it for the existance of Sabo and Luffy on his side, and starting to appreciate other people, and slowly letting the hate go away which was accumulated because he was cursed with the fact that people hated his father, the pirate king, and he was ashamed of his own blood father.
I think you simply left out that big part of his backstory just to make Sabo look like his backstory is good, while left out the shitty cliche part of losing memory to justify his absence in Marineford. totally fucking bad cliche lazy writing.
I would have preferred at least something like Dragon preventing him to go there at all costs cause he didn't want the Revs to start the war when they are not ready yet. And chief of staff going there is a big involvement from Revs. Let alone Revs are fighting CD and planning to take down CD not the marines itself

But losing memory? Fucking stupid backstory

2- Ace had the ambition to actually know if he deserves to live or not. Him making WB the king or claiming when he first sailed to be PK was all just a front. His true ambition had a big meaning behind it, waaaay too deep, and seeing Luffy along with all his crewmate dying to save him, and then him crying saying "thanks for loving me"
Dude that's just AMAZING


3- Personality wise: Sabo is too god damn uptight, and his cool moments is him "Trying" to act cool. Which is different than Ace who the cool moment with him happens spontanously, he's too chill and not uptight, his cool moments are genuine. There is a thin line between "being cool" and "acting cool" And Ace and Sabo represent that for me.

4- Fighting style: I'll go back to mention number 3 here with Sabo's dragon claw which only exist as a way to make him "act like a cool guy" which is "ugh" terrible. While a haki fist makes more sense to be more powerful than a human doing 3 claws with his hands. It just shows you, genuine from fake Lol
Also, Ace showed more techniques with his Logia fruit than Sabo
On top of that, it was revealed he had all 3 haki types
On top of that, Ace was BETTER than Sabo in their backstory as Ace won 26 over 24 for Sabo
Establishing that Ace was the strongest
And comparing the CURRENT Sabo strength, with Ace 2 YEARS ago, is unfair and truly unjust by your own analysis.

As dead people cannot progress and get stronger, while Sabo had 2 years to strengthen more of his haki, and THEN on top of it, he took Ace's fruit.

All in all, Ace for me will always be a better character than Sabo
Let's hope Akainu magma fist Sabo again Lol
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1. If you reread the first part, the loss of memory is clearly mentioned, so dont know what you mean it was left out.

4. I was talking about fighting style, not who is stronger.
 
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Wang Bai said:
Sabo is just Ace 0.5 He has no traits unique to him and of course, causes amnesia plot holes. All those years and he never saw a bounty of Ace or Luffy? Sabo had a 602M bounty but no one saw his bounty? Shan Yu from Mulan would take over all of One Piece with info passage that shitty.
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Luffy had no idea about the 4 emperors even after months on the seas, and still wouldnt have had any for a while without his grandpa telling him about. Same for Zoro and rest of the strawhats.

He had a bounty of 602 mil, which he couldve gotten after Dressrosa, possibly lower before that. But there are countless people on the seas with bounties near that and above. Furthermore, we dont know when Sabo rose to fame.

The plotholes you mention are only relevant to Luffy and Ace, two individuals who are dead set on their goals and dont really give a fuck about much else. As for Sabo not seeing them, hes part of an organization that's around the world busy doing revolutions, why exactly would he care about Whitebeards underling or some random ass pirate rookie?
 
Reborn

Reborn

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I never felt connected to ace. Oda didn't invest much on ace to flesh him out properly.

Yes I was sad seeing him die but it was not because i was big fan of ace but because I wasn't expecting oda to pull that shit and of course it happened right in front of Luffy and after sabody incident.

I didn't like ace much but I don't dislike him either. Oda didn't pull his character development and df abilities portrayal well.

Though I am not a fan of sabo as well but I have to admit that Oda is handling him better than ace.

I see sabo as ' Reformed Ace'.
 
Uncle Van

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TheoryKing said:
Luffy had no idea about the 4 emperors even after months on the seas, and still wouldnt have had any for a while without his grandpa telling him about. Same for Zoro and rest of the strawhats.

He had a bounty of 602 mil, which he couldve gotten after Dressrosa, possibly lower before that. But there are countless people on the seas with bounties near that and above. Furthermore, we dont know when Sabo rose to fame.

The plotholes you mention are only relevant to Luffy and Ace, two individuals who are dead set on their goals and dont really give a fuck about much else. As for Sabo not seeing them, hes part of an organization that's around the world busy doing revolutions, why exactly would he care about Whitebeards underling or some random ass pirate rookie?
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Isnt that too coincidental? WB reads the papers all the time....BM and Kaido reads them....Buggy reads them....Foosha Village reads them.....we recently saw the Revos reading them....its too much of a plot point for Sabo's memories to came back at that specific moment and nowhere else, and Ace not getting the slightest hint for 3 years of piracy.
 
Bogard

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Sabo was introduced out of nowhere, just to be killed in the same flashback, and suddenly after coming back, everything else never made sense. Known as one of the main figures in the revos, but apparently no one including Ace knew he was alive. Himself conveniently having an amnesia to explain why he didn't come to MF, but conveniently once again appearing again after the timeskip when Ace already died to take his devil fruit, and suddenly wants to follow Ace's will

That alone implies that not only Sabo was never a character planned at first, but his role in the story was mainly to cover Ace's absence after his death. In his youth at least, he used to be more calculative, but now he is completely reckless while under pressure, reminiscing a bit of Ace once again. Just look at his reaction while infiltrating the reverie with other revos telling him to calm down, but not wanting to listen and opting for a "do or die" scenario to save Kuma eventhough Dragon wasn't even personally involved in the mission yet. As a result, Oda is seemingly once again going in a Ace/Marineford 2.0 with him apparently in danger

On the other hand, Ace was introduced since early on in the series, with Oda taking time to develop his bond with Luffy, hating on his bloodline and wanting to know the reason behind his existence, if it was worth or not, with the goal of becoming a pirate king, just an indirect mean to his true goal, of making himself known and recognized by everyone. Whitebeard in a sense was viewed as the father that he never had in his life

And in their youth, Ace had the edge over him in their fights, unlocked conqueror haki which Sabo isn't known to have, known to have pirate king potential which Sabo isn't known to have, with entire Blackbeard pirates Burgess included being portrayed as fodder in his battle with Blackbeard, same Burgess who was portrayed as a match for Sabo in dressrosa, showing that Ace had better growth rate, so sure Sabo had an additional 2 years over Ace to grow stronger, but overall in terms of characterization, power and potential, at the moment he looks more like a cheap version of Ace

And i don't dislike Sabo(i want him to own that overrated Sakazuki who is like the only character i hate). I just don't care about him much, or at least not like Ace. I actually think he could have been a better character if Oda continued with his development of Sabo when he was younger with him revealed to be alive before Ace's death, because now he just look and will continue to look as a replacement to cover the fact that the original(Ace) died
 
ZenZu

ZenZu

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I agree with Sabo's backstory being one of the best, his upbringing is really unique, and you can say more interesting. But I can't help but feel Ace is a more organic character, there is something disingenuous about Sabo as an adult, probably has to do with him missing all these years only to come back and immediately pick up where Ace left off. The writing around the whole situation requires willing suspension of disbelief , and the whole thing is so in your face, "please like this character, he is also Luffy's cool older brother."

One of the things I like about Ace is his stark contrast from his younger self to the one we were introduced to in Alabasta. He went from being the most uptight rebel to this laid back reliable older brother. You can tell how much more comfortable he was in his own skin, now that he had found a clear place in this world. This is something you go back to, or notice more so on a reread since his flashback on his youth was after his introduction as an adult. Natural progression like this feels missing from Sabo, the whole 0-100 amnesia deal sounds like a cheap hollywood flick, and Sabo comes off as a late insert because of it.
 
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