Character Discussion Thoughts on Basil Hawkins

Doggo

Doggo

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#81
#81
I just think Hawkins got the short end of the stick by not being a "main supernova" for the arc.
Not like Law in PH, not like Bege in WCI, etc.
If this is the last we see of him in action, I at least hope Oda will deliver a cool fight against Killer. So far Hawkins has been....underwhelming. He looked promising at the start of Wano, but that's it.
Character design and style? One of my favorite supernovas. To me, only Drake tops him.
 
Bogard

Bogard

You can't win
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#85
#85
Clearly didn't live up to the hype, just like Drake as well for the matter

When Oda highlighted the top 5 captains back in Sabaody, I used to think it was because they'd ultimately turn out to be the ones with the most potential, the most highlighted, and the way he was casually ignoring Kizaru's presence back in Sabaody, focusing on his cards predictions, gave him an interesting presence

In the New World, Oda brought up their names once again through Brownbeard, which gave the impression they'd be the ones to follow more in the New World, with the hope ascending when he formed an alliance with Kid and Apoo against Shanks

Then comes Wano, where he is portrayed to lack the will to oppose the yonko, becoming Kaido's subordinate due to following his cards for survival, with him being reintroduced as a headliner, a rank below the F6(even if I think he is stronger than them and that it's due to context of being new in the Beast pirates rank being based on performance with time, in terms of highlights, it just wasn't good)

With the first part of the arc focused on him continuously following the Yonkos order to face the people from his generation attempting to overcome them, ultimately getting off-paneled by Law, while showing his fear of the yonko, calling them monsters they can't overcome, the same monsters other fellow SNs including Kid and Killer aren't fearing to face

I even thought that his encounter with Law could have changed his mind, but no, he still blindly follows Kaido, or rather his card, since I think the 1percent survival chance he read at the beginning was probably detrimental in his decision to continue to back up the strong(yonko)

Clearly compared to what one could have thought he could end up being, he got the short end of the stick, with his highlight being lower than the rooftop SNs and mostly portrayed as a meatshield.

There was hope in his card powers, and monster form, but the hope of the latter vanished, only thing left for him, is maybe to hope that his ultimate card will turn out to be truly powerful and that at the same time, after his defeat to Killer(because it's obvious he'd be defeated with Killer ending up tricking him one way or another, showing his bond to his captain while proving him the wrong in his card predictions), he'd finally understand that there are times where he should ignore the predictions of his cards, take risks, maybe leading to him helping in the fight against Big Mom
 
Legendaryconquer#1

Legendaryconquer#1

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#89
#89
AFTER WHITEBEARD'S DEATH, THEY "SPILLED INTO THE NEW WORLD WREAKING HAVOC LEFT AND RIGHT...

AT THE CENTER OF EVERY SHOCKING INCIDENT OR CALAMITY, YOU'LL FIND ONE OF THIS GENERATION'S PIRATES!!

BLACKBEARD! KID, LAW, DRAKE, HAWKINS!!"
I think underestimating Hawkins is the last thing someone wants to do just because he's physically not as strong like Luffy, Zoro, kid, Urouge, and x-drake. Hawkins is very pragmatic and also very sadistic as it was shown in his expression previous chapters back.
now in this recent chapter
plus the fact he's very intelligent this showing he rather fight when he knows he has the probability of winning. Do I think he's underwhelming? Of course not in fact I think Hawkins can take out most of the flying six individually because most of are just brute force fighters with barley any battle intelligence not including x-drake of course. He also did better than apoo in a 2 vs 1 against the supernovas of course he didn't win the fight but he didn't lose either. Samething with law but the difference is law figure out how his powers work right away so law had the upper hand but that the fight never concluded. I digress Hawkins is by far the most imposing force moreso than the tobi roppo were. That's all I got to say.
 
G

Gorosei Informer

#91
#91
@rerere
Thanks for the tag and great question! I was really fascinated by his abilities, design and such and was hoping for him to be more prominent then he is now, especially since Oda gave Law so much love. I'm really disappointed he just ended up being a henchman for Kaido and I find some of the things he can do with his DF quite nonsensical/illogical given what his DF is. It should have been the Voodoo Voodoo no mi or so.
Oda supposedly didn't want a "magic system" in OP but Hawkins has been doing some very confusing and questionable stuff that seems like "magic" and he is the "Dark Magician" or whatever too?

I do really like his straw monster he summoned vs Zoro and Luffy, that was great. Also his straw sword technique and his wickerman-like form, that makes him like a pseudo Zoan too.

I really wanted him to be the 10th Titantanic Captain of Blackbeard as I feel his dark magician, fatalist beliefs/themes and being such a "cold hearted pragmatist" would fit in perfectly with Blackbeard and his similar fatalist attitude/themes.

I don't expect much more for him from here, Drake and Apoo have been very underwhelming, don't get me started on Bonney and then there's the lack of Urouge, the one I was looking forward to the most aside from Kid, Apoo and Hawkins, sigh.

Capone turned out to be a surprise hit, he was really cool but also a hypocritical sleazebag, but then again he also had some brilliant moments and feats during WCI and I really love what Oda did with his DF (I feel he is awakened too) as well as his amazing, badass ship (RIP) and I was hoping Oda would maintain that standard with the remaining Supernovas, sigh.

Also, I hate how Faust the apparent right hand of Hawkins just completely vanished and was probably forgotten by Oda post TS. I remember theories due to him most likely being a Mink* , that he might have been the one to lead Jack to Zou and thus we see a Mink who isn't loyal and thus a traitor to Zou. I remember when Bariete the monkey mink was theorised tob e the traitor too to screw over Zou in that regard lol.
But yeah, the complete lack of Faust has really bothered me. These Supernova crews are just full of pointless fodders, nobody significant/interesting or just wasted potential like Vito.

*(if not a black cat Zoan in Hybrid constantly, like how some other Zoans have been said to be in Hybrid constantly, such as Big New Morgans and either Doberman or Dalmatian I think?)

There's still Hawkin's tarot cards, however the fuck they work, due to Oda claiming "no seperate magic system" for OP or whatever...Hawkins just feels like the absolute case of this tbh:




I would have loved it if his fortune telling, his predictions were tied into a form of Observation Haki, maybe along the lines of Future Sight ofc? I can't remember if he has shown Armament Haki especially Hardening ofc, but I would have loved him to fire off straws coated in haki like a Porcupine's quills at people.

I really want to see how straw is very flammable come into play vs Hawkins too. But then again, I just looked this up and my mind is blown!:

Isn't straw flammable, you ask? Loose straw is, but bales are tightly compressed, and are no more flammable than wood. The National Research Council of Canada, for example, found that a straw bale wall withstood temperatures of up to 1,850 degrees C for two hours. 1 Apr 2014


:crazwhat::watchout::hohoho:


Anyway thats my random ramblng and ranting done, thanks again for tagging and asking me!

:cheers:
 
F

Fuckthis3

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#92
#92
Legendaryconquer#1 said:
AFTER WHITEBEARD'S DEATH, THEY "SPILLED INTO THE NEW WORLD WREAKING HAVOC LEFT AND RIGHT...

AT THE CENTER OF EVERY SHOCKING INCIDENT OR CALAMITY, YOU'LL FIND ONE OF THIS GENERATION'S PIRATES!!

BLACKBEARD! KID, LAW, DRAKE, HAWKINS!!"
I think underestimating Hawkins is the last thing someone wants to do just because he's physically not as strong like Luffy, Zoro, kid, Urouge, and x-drake. Hawkins is very pragmatic and also very sadistic as it was shown in his expression previous chapters back.
now in this recent chapter
plus the fact he's very intelligent this showing he rather fight when he knows he has the probability of winning. Do I think he's underwhelming? Of course not in fact I think Hawkins can take out most of the flying six individually because most of are just brute force fighters with barley any battle intelligence not including x-drake of course. He also did better than apoo in a 2 vs 1 against the supernovas of course he didn't win the fight but he didn't lose either. Samething with law but the difference is law figure out how his powers work right away so law had the upper hand but that the fight never concluded. I digress Hawkins is by far the most imposing force moreso than the tobi roppo were. That's all I got to say.
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How he did better than Apoo? Man just sat on his horse while zoro and luffy was on a dog getting away
 
Doggo

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
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#94
#94
Lone Laguna Espada said:
@rerere
Thanks for the tag and great question! I was really fascinated by his abilities, design and such and was hoping for him to be more prominent then he is now, especially since Oda gave Law so much love. I'm really disappointed he just ended up being a henchman for Kaido and I find some of the things he can do with his DF quite nonsensical/illogical given what his DF is. It should have been the Voodoo Voodoo no mi or so.
Oda supposedly didn't want a "magic system" in OP but Hawkins has been doing some very confusing and questionable stuff that seems like "magic" and he is the "Dark Magician" or whatever too?

I do really like his straw monster he summoned vs Zoro and Luffy, that was great. Also his straw sword technique and his wickerman-like form, that makes him like a pseudo Zoan too.

I really wanted him to be the 10th Titantanic Captain of Blackbeard as I feel his dark magician, fatalist beliefs/themes and being such a "cold hearted pragmatist" would fit in perfectly with Blackbeard and his similar fatalist attitude/themes.

I don't expect much more for him from here, Drake and Apoo have been very underwhelming, don't get me started on Bonney and then there's the lack of Urouge, the one I was looking forward to the most aside from Kid, Apoo and Hawkins, sigh.

Capone turned out to be a surprise hit, he was really cool but also a hypocritical sleazebag, but then again he also had some brilliant moments and feats during WCI and I really love what Oda did with his DF (I feel he is awakened too) as well as his amazing, badass ship (RIP) and I was hoping Oda would maintain that standard with the remaining Supernovas, sigh.

Also, I hate how Faust the apparent right hand of Hawkins just completely vanished and was probably forgotten by Oda post TS. I remember theories due to him most likely being a Mink* , that he might have been the one to lead Jack to Zou and thus we see a Mink who isn't loyal and thus a traitor to Zou. I remember when Bariete the monkey mink was theorised tob e the traitor too to screw over Zou in that regard lol.
But yeah, the complete lack of Faust has really bothered me. These Supernova crews are just full of pointless fodders, nobody significant/interesting or just wasted potential like Vito.

*(if not a black cat Zoan in Hybrid constantly, like how some other Zoans have been said to be in Hybrid constantly, such as Big New Morgans and either Doberman or Dalmatian I think?)

There's still Hawkin's tarot cards, however the fuck they work, due to Oda claiming "no seperate magic system" for OP or whatever...Hawkins just feels like the absolute case of this tbh:




I would have loved it if his fortune telling, his predictions were tied into a form of Observation Haki, maybe along the lines of Future Sight ofc? I can't remember if he has shown Armament Haki especially Hardening ofc, but I would have loved him to fire off straws coated in haki like a Porcupine's quills at people.

I really want to see how straw is very flammable come into play vs Hawkins too. But then again, I just looked this up and my mind is blown!:

Isn't straw flammable, you ask? Loose straw is, but bales are tightly compressed, and are no more flammable than wood. The National Research Council of Canada, for example, found that a straw bale wall withstood temperatures of up to 1,850 degrees C for two hours. 1 Apr 2014


:crazwhat::watchout::hohoho:


Anyway thats my random ramblng and ranting done, thanks again for tagging and asking me!

:cheers:
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About the "magic system".
Ope Ope no Mi is the most retard shit Oda ever created.
It's not an Akuma no Mi power. It's a freaking Jojo Stand power.
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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#95
#95
Bogard said:
Clearly didn't live up to the hype, just like Drake as well for the matter

When Oda highlighted the top 5 captains back in Sabaody, I used to think it was because they'd ultimately turn out to be the ones with the most potential, the most highlighted, and the way he was casually ignoring Kizaru's presence back in Sabaody, focusing on his cards predictions, gave him an interesting presence

In the New World, Oda brought up their names once again through Brownbeard, which gave the impression they'd be the ones to follow more in the New World, with the hope ascending when he formed an alliance with Kid and Apoo against Shanks

Then comes Wano, where he is portrayed to lack the will to oppose the yonko, becoming Kaido's subordinate due to following his cards for survival, with him being reintroduced as a headliner, a rank below the F6(even if I think he is stronger than them and that it's due to context of being new in the Beast pirates rank being based on performance with time, in terms of highlights, it just wasn't good)

With the first part of the arc focused on him continuously following the Yonkos order to face the people from his generation attempting to overcome them, ultimately getting off-paneled by Law, while showing his fear of the yonko, calling them monsters they can't overcome, the same monsters other fellow SNs including Kid and Killer aren't fearing to face

I even thought that his encounter with Law could have changed his mind, but no, he still blindly follows Kaido, or rather his card, since I think the 1percent survival chance he read at the beginning was probably detrimental in his decision to continue to back up the strong(yonko)

Clearly compared to what one could have thought he could end up being, he got the short end of the stick, with his highlight being lower than the rooftop SNs and mostly portrayed as a meatshield.

There was hope in his card powers, and monster form, but the hope of the latter vanished, only thing left for him, is maybe to hope that his ultimate card will turn out to be truly powerful and that at the same time, after his defeat to Killer(because it's obvious he'd be defeated with Killer ending up tricking him one way or another, showing his bond to his captain while proving him the wrong in his card predictions), he'd finally understand that there are times where he should ignore the predictions of his cards, take risks, maybe leading to him helping in the fight against Big Mom
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To be fair to Hawkins, it seems like he may have been wanting Killer to deplete his dolls so that he could reveal that Kid is his last doll
 
RobertoTheOharaSurvivor

RobertoTheOharaSurvivor

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#97
#97
If there's one person I wish I could punch rn it'd be Hawkins by a very wide margin (surpassing Bellamy for me)

I wish he'll be dead by the end of this arc. Unlike Kanjuro (who I hate for fatally striking O-Kiku) who had been planning for decades/planning for a purpose, Hawkins is just being a bandwagon at this point of the story and screwing things up for the sake of it
 
RobertoTheOharaSurvivor

RobertoTheOharaSurvivor

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#99
#99
Bogard said:
The way Oda went with the character, he has very good potential from his monster form, cards expanding powers, calculative, and his predictions

Furthermore than this, he is one of the few characters that may gain some character growth this arc from his perspective of always following his cards to avoid risky situations to maybe ending in a situation where for the first time he'd decide to take risks to grow

Also has a month prediction that will still play a role at one point during this arc imo, with him having unrevealed secrets yet like his curse or ultimate cards, with his arc potential only falling short to Luffy, Kid, Law and Zoro imo

Which is why i'm very interested in the way his development will continue this arc
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still he's way too dangerous to leave alive (in the perspective of Killer, Kid, Law, Zoro and Luffy) at this point of this arc. he's way too much of a wild card to ignore even if Kaido or BM go down or get immobilized by the end of this arc. At least with Bege, he settled down once he got married to Chiffon and took care of Pez but Hawkins has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.


By the end of the arc (other than CP0), He (and Apoo) could very well be the final 'antagonists' of the arc and do something pretty drastic to screw everything up in terms of liberating Wano
 
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