Current Events A Decade of Zoro Propaganda Down the Toilet-How Zoro Himself Destroyed the Swordsmen Narrative
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Lets not pretend that team Zoro hasn't been using the "X Character carries a Sword, so Mihawk is automatically stronger than them" argument for decades now.
The revelation shatters that argument. Just because someone carries a Sword, or wields one in combat doesn't automatically put them under the jurisdiction of Mihawk's title.
That's what people have been arguing against for years, and this chapter proves it.
The revelation shatters that argument. Just because someone carries a Sword, or wields one in combat doesn't automatically put them under the jurisdiction of Mihawk's title.
That's what people have been arguing against for years, and this chapter proves it.
Mihawk had mediocre portrayal against Jozu and Vista.
Marco fought two YCs for a period of time, when he fought an admiral and a VA he was quickly overrun.
Now we can theorycraft that if King wasn't a retard and used his mobility and abilities correctly he wouldn't lose to Zoro who has very limited mobility, but King will engage in CQC and lose against Zoro ultimately, if you use the same PIS to cover for King's versatility, then Fuji can beat that same version of King.
Fuji at least has some hypothetical methods to handle high mobility foes, unlike Zoro.
What if King flew off with Zoro's swords rather than try to finish him off and threw the other two swords in the ocean or melted them while Zoro couldn't shield them with CoA.
Do we need to show you a venn diagram, Shanks is a great sword master, he could match Mihawk with pure swordsmanship alone even before becoming a yonko
He is also more than that.
Marco fought two YCs for a period of time, when he fought an admiral and a VA he was quickly overrun.
Now we can theorycraft that if King wasn't a retard and used his mobility and abilities correctly he wouldn't lose to Zoro who has very limited mobility, but King will engage in CQC and lose against Zoro ultimately, if you use the same PIS to cover for King's versatility, then Fuji can beat that same version of King.
Fuji at least has some hypothetical methods to handle high mobility foes, unlike Zoro.
What if King flew off with Zoro's swords rather than try to finish him off and threw the other two swords in the ocean or melted them while Zoro couldn't shield them with CoA.
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Apparently in the red databook shanks was called a dai kengo=great swordsman
shanks mihawk ryuma ushimaru and vista are dai kengo
shanks mihawk ryuma ushimaru and vista are dai kengo
He is also more than that.
Lol, Marco wasn't "thrashed" by anyone. He exhausted himself by overusing his abilities to fight off two Yonko Commanders, and keep Queens Oni virus at bay.
If anything it makes King and Queen look worse that THEY couldn't put down ONE MAN, who was fighting off two of them, and protecting a boatload of other people in the process.
If anything it makes King and Queen look worse that THEY couldn't put down ONE MAN, who was fighting off two of them, and protecting a boatload of other people in the process.
That's definitely not how team Zoro defines a swordsman. The core of the argument has always been "If someone fights with a sword predominantly, then he's a swordsman." They never actually called someone a swordsman solely because they carry a sword around. As a matter of fact, almost no one calls Kizaru a swordsman despite his skills. The number of people who call Big Mom a swordsman is almost nonexistent.
Now, there are times when people use the point of someone always carrying a sword as a reason to justify someone as a swordsman. But it's usually one of many reasons they use to prove their point, and never the sole reason for calling someone a swordsman.
Fujitora, for example, is called swordsman because:
The recent revelations change absolutely nothing in regards to the swordsman arguments. Yes, you can't call someone a swordsman just because he carries a sword around or because he uses it in combat. The way of the sword must be his/her primary method of fighting for someone to be referred to as a swordsman.
Now, there are times when people use the point of someone always carrying a sword as a reason to justify someone as a swordsman. But it's usually one of many reasons they use to prove their point, and never the sole reason for calling someone a swordsman.
Fujitora, for example, is called swordsman because:
- He is called a blind swordsman in the official materials.
- His character is based on a famous swordsman.
- He always channels his attacks via his sword and named his fighting style after his sword.
- And of course, he always carries his sword with him.
The recent revelations change absolutely nothing in regards to the swordsman arguments. Yes, you can't call someone a swordsman just because he carries a sword around or because he uses it in combat. The way of the sword must be his/her primary method of fighting for someone to be referred to as a swordsman.
Oh shut the fuck up.
Let me make something absolutely clear for you
QUEEN DID NOT DO SHIT TO MARCO
His on panel attacks never landed and then he was fighting sanji.
King trashed Marco by himself then joined QUEEN
And stop this nonsense, King with one swing of his sword took half of fresh Marco's body and had him bloody on face. @CbShadow already showed you only on panel damage done to Marco was by King.
Then in a matter of an hour Marco was a bloody mess fighting base King in his hybrid form all this time Queen is busy with Chopper, with Sanji and wasn't even in the vicinity of King and Marco.
This another garbage ass Excuse Zoro haters got, Marco was just exhausted
King neg diffs Queen and mid diffs Marco in a fight and it was all shown by feats
Let me make something absolutely clear for you
QUEEN DID NOT DO SHIT TO MARCO
His on panel attacks never landed and then he was fighting sanji.
King trashed Marco by himself then joined QUEEN
And stop this nonsense, King with one swing of his sword took half of fresh Marco's body and had him bloody on face. @CbShadow already showed you only on panel damage done to Marco was by King.
Then in a matter of an hour Marco was a bloody mess fighting base King in his hybrid form all this time Queen is busy with Chopper, with Sanji and wasn't even in the vicinity of King and Marco.
This another garbage ass Excuse Zoro haters got, Marco was just exhausted
King neg diffs Queen and mid diffs Marco in a fight and it was all shown by feats
It's exactly how some Zoro fans define a Swordsman. You even have people who claim "MIhawk > Roger" because Mihawk holds the title of WSS, while Roger didn't during his era.
What proves Roger is a Swordsman? Nothing.... But by proxy Mihawk > Roger just cause Roger carries a Sword and uses it to fight. They aren't even in the same era, and yet this ridiculous claim has been made many of times, all because "Roger uses a Sword."
Now there are some Zoro fans who do not define anyone who uses a Sword as a Swordsman, but the vocal minority tend to be on the opposite end of that spectrum.
What proves Roger is a Swordsman? Nothing.... But by proxy Mihawk > Roger just cause Roger carries a Sword and uses it to fight. They aren't even in the same era, and yet this ridiculous claim has been made many of times, all because "Roger uses a Sword."
Now there are some Zoro fans who do not define anyone who uses a Sword as a Swordsman, but the vocal minority tend to be on the opposite end of that spectrum.
Oh, I thought losing HP doesn't drop someone's power level. I mean, I definitely remember you saying, not so long ago, that "Zoro's power didn't diminish at all even after getting 30 bones broken." Marco as far as I know would only lose stamina for losing flames. He was rather fresh and had 0 injuries before he started fighting so he must be fighting at 100% of his strength but with less HP. He fought King for the most part, and King fought Marco's strongest form using his weakest form. So King did technically beat Marco's strongest form with less HP. Of course, it wouldn't be as easy to put him down if Marco has 100% HP because he can heal more and afford more attacks.
Any top tier right now defeats Zoro 1v1 Shishio lol. The fact that he is relegated to fighting King is proof of that. And when Zoro defeats King, he will just then be entering the top tier, still beneath every top tier outside of the old legends like Rayleigh and co, with whom he’ll be equal to. By EOS, Zoro will be lucky to defeat any admiral 1v1.
Lmao, you Z-boys sure do love to fill in off-panels with your own biased interpretations of how you believe the scenes went down, and of course it's filled with nothing but delusion on how to make Zoro look better by any means.
Was Marco, or was he not using his healing ability to keep Queens virus at bay?
Did Oda or did he not explicitly state that Marco's healing abilities have a limit?
There is a limit to how much a person can take before moving becomes impossible. That's the point where Marco is at. He was not KOed. His body itself it at it's limit. Even while approaching that limit, Marco was still fighting against both King and Queen, with zero issues. They are seemingly fine, while Marco is at his limit, yet Marco is somehow still capable of fighting against them. Now he's at the point where he needs to be carried, because he himself can't go on any longer.
That is all due to his DF ability, and nothing to do with being "Thrashed" by King.
Was Marco, or was he not using his healing ability to keep Queens virus at bay?
Did Oda or did he not explicitly state that Marco's healing abilities have a limit?
There is a limit to how much a person can take before moving becomes impossible. That's the point where Marco is at. He was not KOed. His body itself it at it's limit. Even while approaching that limit, Marco was still fighting against both King and Queen, with zero issues. They are seemingly fine, while Marco is at his limit, yet Marco is somehow still capable of fighting against them. Now he's at the point where he needs to be carried, because he himself can't go on any longer.
That is all due to his DF ability, and nothing to do with being "Thrashed" by King.
I agree there are some extremists who say dumb shit like this, but almost none of them say that solely because Roger carries a sword. We know Roger has had a sword for a long time now. There weren't many who called Roger a swordsman a while back. Roger is swordsman arguments have only become vocal recently because we now have more reasons to believe he is a swordsman.
Marco doesn't have the insane will to overcome adversity that the strawhats do, especially in a war like this where he views himself as a helper to the next generation to the extent he'd rather deliver Zoro to Kaido than fight him himself, or set Chopper up for an attack on Queen, or all manner of actions that speak to this mentality.
Zoro said he put his all in the asura attack and doesn't need his so called "fans" to make excuses for him. I don't remember Zoro saying "if only I was healthy that would have knocked him down", I don't remember any important finisher in the series being limited by damage, most are done in a damaged condition.
Nor do I remember Marco trying to do finisher attacks but failing from stamina issues in some dramatic fashion, he was just slowly edged out of the fight. Apples and oranges.
Zoro said he put his all in the asura attack and doesn't need his so called "fans" to make excuses for him. I don't remember Zoro saying "if only I was healthy that would have knocked him down", I don't remember any important finisher in the series being limited by damage, most are done in a damaged condition.
Nor do I remember Marco trying to do finisher attacks but failing from stamina issues in some dramatic fashion, he was just slowly edged out of the fight. Apples and oranges.
Marco is visibly damaged. Queen wouldn't assume Marco of all people died from exhaustion, would he? Marco hit his limit because they pressured him that much. He doesn't lose any stamina just for flying around, does he?
Basically, we can't assume Zoro becomes weaker even when he's in a near-death state because he doesn't complain about doing better if he's in a better condition. But the same doesn't apply to the other characters because they're not the main characters with insane willpower. That is one fucked up logic you got there.
Btw, What Zoro meant by "I put everything I have into this attack" is that he put whatever left in him into his final attack, not that I've used 100% of my power in this attack.
Basically, we can't assume Zoro becomes weaker even when he's in a near-death state because he doesn't complain about doing better if he's in a better condition. But the same doesn't apply to the other characters because they're not the main characters with insane willpower. That is one fucked up logic you got there.
Btw, What Zoro meant by "I put everything I have into this attack" is that he put whatever left in him into his final attack, not that I've used 100% of my power in this attack.