General & Others Koby is only a Marine Captain (Volume 95 correction)

[Lee-Sensei]

Who gives a fuck? Vergo did the same. Boa is >>> Vergo.

Read what Smoker said about Boa's Haki

Doflamingo literally one shot Smoker lmfao. Do you think he's one shotting Boa? Coby is nowhere near this planet of fighters. I'm being extremely generous by putting Coby = Smoker, because he's not even that.

You’re making a lot of assumptions here.

1) Do you have any evidence that Hancock is way stronger than Vergo?

2) She used Haki to kick him. Most strong people can do that in the New World including Koby and Smoker.

3) Doflamingo isn’t equivalent to Hancock at all. He has much better hype, portrayal and feats.

 

[True God Moe]

Smoker isn't like that just because of one arc. No doubt he gotten stronger since given he is next Garp in EOS and Koby is not taking Hancock down in the slightest especially she be compare to top tiers of Warlords for long time as well hype to back it up and one of the few COC users in existence. You think Koby can handle someone who is mastered of all 3 Hakis and DF (Possibly Awakening) by himself when Hancock haven't even shown an ounce of her full power from what we seen thus far.

 

[sanjikun]

You’re making a lot of assumptions here.

1) Do you have any evidence that Hancock is way stronger than Vergo?

2) She used Haki to kick him. Most strong people can do that in the New World including Koby and Smoker.

3) Doflamingo isn’t equivalent to Hancock at all. He has much better hype, portrayal and feats.

Just fucking stop. All your points are nonsense. Do I have evidence Boa > Vergo? What the actual fuck lmao. She was made a Warlord after 1 campaign a decade ago, is a Conqueror's Haki user from an island where their Haki is infamous throughout the world and has one of the most Hax DFs in One Piece. Sengoku was saying what a huge asset she would be against Whitebeard.

This is Momonga who has the same rank as Vergo

I'm sure Koby has surpassed Smoker, Vergo, Momonga, the lot of them. The amount of stupid shit people will spew to wank their favourite characters...

 

[King7]

Never thought he was gonna solo Hancock , but i still believe he's gonna play a role in subduing her

Fujitora will contribute the most though

 

[sanjikun]

Never thought he was gonna solo Hancock , but i still believe he's gonna play a role in subduing her

Fujitora will contribute the most though

What role is that, is he gonna hold Fujitora or Green Bull's water bottle?

 

[King7]

What role is that, is he gonna hold Fujitora or Green Bull's water bottle?

Idk , maybe he won't and subdue Sandersonia or Marigold instead though

 

[sanjikun]

Seriously, people saying Coby is going to beat Boa 1 on 1, reminds me of Lavar Ball saying he's gonna beat Michael Jordan 1 v. 1.

Idk , maybe he won't and subdue Sandersonia or Marigold instead though

You know what's funny? I'm not even sure he can defeat them 1 v. 1. They are both DF users with CoA + CoO, and possibly "Ryuu".

Considering Rob Lucci was confirmed to have CoA/CoO pre-time skip, Boa's sisters are Vice Admiral level easily. Luffy defeating them does not take away from that.

 

[Dr. Spook]

Tbh, rather than the whole Coby vs Hancock fight, I'm more interested with what Coby has to say when he sees the massive poster of Luffy that Hancock put up just beneath her palace.

Spoiler

 

[True God Moe]

Tbh, rather than the whole Coby vs Hancock fight, I'm more interested with what Coby has to say when he sees the massive poster of Luffy that Hancock put up just beneath her palace.

Spoiler

Honestly after seeing and realizing she is one of Luffy allies, I don't see them duking it out even given their positions. At best they become secret allies out of their meeting and support Luffy from there.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

There’s no evidence of that. That’s speculation.

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You’re assuming that he’s a regular Captain in terms of strength. He almost certainly isn’t. The Captains that the worn out Strawhats fought off at Ernie’s Lobby wouldn’t stand a chance against him from what we’ve seen and heard. The guys been sailing in the New World in command of his own ship. He wasn’t working underneath a Vice Admiral like Tashigi. It seems very unlikely that he’s weaker than someone like Maynard to me. Most likely, Koby is somewhere between Sanji and Franky in strength. Hancock would probably beat him in a 1v1, but he’ll use Vegapunks new weapons to pull out a W. he’s clearly far stronger than the average Captain.

That would have applied to Smoker as well
During Enies Lobby, Franky, Zoro and co all took out many marine captains on the bridge stalling for Luffy vs Lucci to end
While, Smoker was still above their captain, Luffy.

So, yeah. Coby is above your avarage Captain. However, the same way it took 2 years for Koby to become a captain. It took Smoker Two years as well to become a vice admiral of G5, which was still under in rank than many other vice admirals (like Smoker was under Vergo in rank) and Vergo is under many vice admirals in ranks. And it will take a whole lot for Smoker to become an admiral level of a fighter.

With One Piece ending soon i One Piece timeline, it's honestly ridiculous or to be more precise, impossible to conceive for him to JUMP from captain into an admiral in mere months - 1 year max in One Piece timeline. It just doesn't make sense

It's why I say, after the final war ends, and the author then makes a big timeskip like 5-10 years after the final war, and shows us the wherebouts of specific characters, that's where it will be best for Koby to reach the admiral status

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Honestly after seeing and realizing she is one of Luffy allies, I don't see them duking it out even given their positions. At best they become secret allies out of their meeting and support Luffy from there.

Coby is not and never was Luffy's ally

He doesn't support luffy. He's stated multiple times that a he wanted to capture Luffy and in marineford he even stated that he had to be prepared to kill him.

 

[True God Moe]

Coby is not and never was Luffy's ally

He doesn't support luffy. He's stated multiple times that a he wanted to capture Luffy and in marineford he even stated that he had to be prepared to kill him.

Nah he does support him. That's why he secretly help him without many knowing. Shown apparent as he fanboys seeing Luffy's exploits on his end. He is no rival, he is more fan of his at end of the day.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Nah he does support him. That's why he secretly help him without many knowing. Shown apparent as he fanboys seeing Luffy's exploits on his end. He is no rival, he is more fan of his at end of the day.

he admires Luffy but understands that as a marine, it is his duty to stop him.

 

[True God Moe]

he admires Luffy but understands that as a marine, it is his duty to stop him.

Garp was never like that though. He never fanboys for Roger. He wanted to genuine capture or kill him. They respect one another, but never fanboys. There difference especially with Koby's attitude.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Garp was never like that though. He never fanboys for Roger. He wanted to genuine capture or kill him. They respect one another, but never fanboys. There difference especially with Koby's attitude.

I never said that Coby was Garp, just that it is completely out of his character to somehow strike some secret deal with Hancock just because she's friends with Luffy.

Coby admires Luffy but he's not Bartolomeo.

 

[Lee-Sensei]

That would have applied to Smoker as well
During Enies Lobby, Franky, Zoro and co all took out many marine captains on the bridge stalling for Luffy vs Lucci to end
While, Smoker was still above their captain, Luffy.

So, yeah. Coby is above your avarage Captain. However, the same way it took 2 years for Koby to become a captain. It took Smoker Two years as well to become a vice admiral of G5, which was still under in rank than many other vice admirals (like Smoker was under Vergo in rank) and Vergo is under many vice admirals in ranks. And it will take a whole lot for Smoker to become an admiral level of a fighter.

With One Piece ending soon i One Piece timeline, it's honestly ridiculous or to be more precise, impossible to conceive for him to JUMP from captain into an admiral in mere months - 1 year max in One Piece timeline. It just doesn't make sense

It's why I say, after the final war ends, and the author then makes a big timeskip like 5-10 years after the final war, and shows us the wherebouts of specific characters, that's where it will be best for Koby to reach the admiral status

This applies to Luffy’s crew and the Supernovas too. None of them are new Luffy’s level. Not even Zoro and probably not Kid. Either there’s going to be a Timeskip, or they’re all going to be making some major leaps in strength. Most of his Crew doesn’t even have CoO and CoA yet. Also, Koby is almost certainly stronger than Pre-Skip Smoker. He’s mastered Rokushiki and he has Haki. His CoO is on an advanced level and he’s been sailing in the New World. My best guess, is that he’s weaker than Sanji and stronger than Franky.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

This applies to Luffy’s crew and the Supernovas too. None of them are new Luffy’s level. Not even Zoro and probably not Kid. Either there’s going to be a Timeskip, or they’re all going to be making some major leaps in strength. Most of his Crew doesn’t even have CoO and CoA yet. Also, Koby is almost certainly stronger than Pre-Skip Smoker. He’s mastered Rokushiki and he has Haki. His CoO is on an advanced level and he’s been sailing in the New World. My best guess, is that he’s weaker than Sanji and stronger than Franky.

I can see your point, actually.
But, here is my take on it.
First, even though I'm Sanji fan, I do not believe he'll be stronger than an admiral to begin with. I think Sanji will be in the range between YFM and an admiral. And if he won against an admiral at EoS, I think it will be through exploiting a weakness and through nullifying his abilities (which isn't necessarily a feat based on his strength be above admirals)
While Zoro will keep his edge over Sanji in strength by defeating an admiral through his sheer power.

Secondly, I am not a believer of Supernova to reach admiral level except for Kidd and Law.

And both are higher in level by portrayel from Zoro and Sanji (in my book). At least for now.

And then again, the SH crew SPECIALLY gets more growth in strength than other characters because they are main characters and they are main focus of story and every arc, we follow their growth.

So, despite that, and I still put Sanji in a level between YFM and admirals.

Luffy is the only person who will surpass admirals by clear margin, while Zoro will be barely above an avarage admiral. And Sanji just barely beneath them.

So, accounting all that, I respect your point of view, but I bepieve the best level Koby can achieve is be on Sanji level at that time.

But becoming an admiral, I do truly believe that it will be AFTER the war ends.

Also, people shouldn't take things literally. Logic should be applied. As an example, Koby told Luffy in water 7 that the next time they will meet, he will be muuuuch stronger and capture Luffy.
What happened? He got oneshotted in marineford.

So, we shouldn't take things always as it will happen. Sure, Koby will become what he promised, but it isn't necessary to happen before the final war ends.

 

[MasterD]

was pretty happy he got a rank up but well

 

[Lee-Sensei]

I can see your point, actually.
But, here is my take on it.
First, even though I'm Sanji fan, I do not believe he'll be stronger than an admiral to begin with. I think Sanji will be in the range between YFM and an admiral. And if he won against an admiral at EoS, I think it will be through exploiting a weakness and through nullifying his abilities (which isn't necessarily a feat based on his strength be above admirals)
While Zoro will keep his edge over Sanji in strength by defeating an admiral through his sheer power.

Secondly, I am not a believer of Supernova to reach admiral level except for Kidd and Law.

And both are higher in level by portrayel from Zoro and Sanji (in my book). At least for now.

And then again, the SH crew SPECIALLY gets more growth in strength than other characters because they are main characters and they are main focus of story and every arc, we follow their growth.

So, despite that, and I still put Sanji in a level between YFM and admirals.

Luffy is the only person who will surpass admirals by clear margin, while Zoro will be barely above an avarage admiral. And Sanji just barely beneath them.

So, accounting all that, I respect your point of view, but I bepieve the best level Koby can achieve is be on Sanji level at that time.

But becoming an admiral, I do truly believe that it will be AFTER the war ends.

Also, people shouldn't take things literally. Logic should be applied. As an example, Koby told Luffy in water 7 that the next time they will meet, he will be muuuuch stronger and capture Luffy.
What happened? He got oneshotted in marineford.

So, we shouldn't take things always as it will happen. Sure, Koby will become what he promised, but it isn't necessary to happen before the final war ends.

1) I don’t think that Sanji or Jinbei will be Admiral level either, but they’ll probably be close enough to give Admirals and Emperors high diff fights. The only Strawhats that I think will be able to beat Admirals and Emperors at the end of the series is Luffy and maybe Zoro.

2) I don’t think he’ll be promoted to Admiral until after Luffy’s Pirate King either. To be honest, I wish they were both in their 30’s or at least their 20’s when they reach their goals.

3) IIRC, he said that he’d capture Luffy when he was an Admiral. He just said that he’d be stronger when they met the next time and he probably was. He did awaken Haki after all.

 

[Kai. Do]

I logged in again just to say this, but R.I.P to those who were cheering that Coby was a rear-admiral. It was the best excuse that people used to say that coby was gonna 'capture' Boa Hancock. But if vice admiral Momonga's encounter with Hancock is any experience to go by, then it can be said that captain Coby would definitely be given the L if he went up against hancock. Good thing that disaster has been adverted.

Edit: Reading through the comments, I still see the coby vs hancock discussion and why it will it happen. Yet i thought from the beginning that the whole reason oda had coby to go after hancock and not any other marine was because Oda never wanted hancock to be captured to begin with. People say that coby beating hancock is needed to hype him up and prove himself, but if coby needed that, he should have just gone after buggy lol. A former member of the pirate king's crew gotta be more impressive than a pirate empress. Coby going after hancock was just purely for plot and story purposes that Oda setup. Coby is probably the friendliest marine to luffy, so he would definitely think twice about hurting luffy's friends. Coby has nothing to gain from capturing hancock (assuming he's even strong enough to beat her which I doubt), and even if he did, it would only bring in his confrontation with luffy. Which is both the wrong time for it to happen, AND also the wrong reason that will lead to Coby and Luffy's eventful and fateful confrontation at the end of the story.

That whole buildup of fan hype just felt like another "Sanji vs katakuri" thing all over again.