Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1025 Spoilers Discussion

[sanjikun]

The CoC clash between non adv users create shockwaves(which can affect material things).
The adv. one is the direct use on attacks, even the lightings/sparks are different:

Here you have a thicker lightning and even before the clash.

It's literally like the difference between basic CoA hardening and CoA: Internal Destruction.

 

[Steve Madden]

No. By itself it just knocks people out. It doesn't send them flying. It only sends them flying when there is a CLASH of 2 attacks.

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the bubble is their conquerors. Rubble and people go flying in both directions. No attacks are used. You're wrong

 

[BornInAbyss]

LMAOOO. You realize Luffy literally had to put his hand up because the wind pressure was so great.

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And read what I said. I'm not saying anything about your precious Zoro. It could easily be the case that he used "advanced CoC" against Kaido.​

I did, thats why I liked your comment. You're not denying it completely. But I am talking about the sheer damage, it is not being noticed between any of these individuals. Sure the shockwave can affect him somewhat so he needs to withstand the pressure. But where exactly is he taking damage? The point is that normal CoC doesn't amplify the damage output directly between individuals who are using it.

 

[Lhulu]

It's literally like the difference between basic CoA hardening and CoA: Internal Destruction.

Internal destruction?
They're not even touching lmao. Luffy himself said, "you can use it to coat attacks".

 

[sanjikun]

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the bubble is their conquerors. Rubble and people go flying in both directions. No attacks are used. You're wrong

Yeah that's from a CLASH. My point being by itself we have not seen it destroy shit (unless it was adv shit like Shankusu).

Internal destruction?
They're not even touching lmao. Luffy himself said, "you can use it to coat attacks".

Read what Hyogoro said. It's coating yourself OUTWARDS.

I did, thats why I liked your comment. You're not denying it completely. But I am talking about the sheer damage, it is not being noticed between any of these individuals. Sure the shockwave can affect him somewhat so he needs to withstand the pressure. But where exactly is he taking damage? The point is that normal CoC doesn't amplify the damage output directly between individuals who are using it.

Dude CoC is just willpower. You're putting a lot more Haki behind an attack. That's it. Of course that's going to amplify.

This is similar to Zoro and Enma. It was just drawing a lot more Haki attack out (although that was CoA).

 

[Steve Madden]

Yeah that's from a CLASH. My point being by itself we have not seen it destroy shit (unless it was adv shit like Shankusu).



Read what Hyogoro said. It's coating yourself OUTWARDS.

you're not getting something. They both let out their conquerors and their conquerors meet at the center. Yet on both ends things go flying irrespective of the others conquerors. If Katakuri did stood there by himself and did the same thing, things would go flying around him.

 

[Embers Kaios]

And Luffy, Kid, Law and Killer are dead

Not with Sanji’s speed and AP

 

[Lhulu]

Yeah that's from a CLASH. My point being by itself we have not seen it destroy shit (unless it was adv shit like Shankusu).



Read what Hyogoro said. It's coating yourself OUTWARDS.

Hyogoro was talking about adv.CoA.
Like you said, CoC amplifies. Luffy is using the coating to amplifie the internal destruction of adv.CoA.

 

[sanjikun]

you're not getting something. They both let out their conquerors and their conquerors meet at the center. Yet on both ends things go flying irrespective of the others conquerors. If Katakuri did stood there by himself and did the same thing, things would go flying around him.

You're not getting something. The effect of the clash goes everywhere.

Hyogoro was talking about adv.CoA.
Like you said, CoC amplifies. Luffy is using the coating to amplifie the internal destruction of adv.CoA.

Yes. Luffy literally applied his CoA technique to CoC.

He didn't randomly just learn a new skill.

 

[Steve Madden]

You're not getting something. The effect of the clash goes everywhere.

Yes. Luffy literally applied his CoA technique to CoC.

He didn't randomly just learn a new skill.

Did you read what I said? There's an air bubbles around them and things go flying. If either one of them stood there by themselves and let out their conquerors, things would go flying around them.

 

[Strawhats Bible]

People really saw/read these scenes and thought to themselves, yeah the CoC is definitely not amplifying these two no named kicks.
Lol

 

[BornInAbyss]

Dude CoC is just willpower. You're putting a lot more Haki behind an attack. That's it. Of course that's going to amplify.

This is similar to Zoro and Enma. It was just drawing a lot more Haki attack out (although that was CoA).

What now? Is CoC a amplification or just willpower like you are claiming right now? You need to be consistent with your claims. I do agree that basic CoC is willpower. But advanced CoC is a technique to amplify the damage output to a point where it penetrates much better than ACoA. Remember ACoA was too shallow stated by Kaido and Luffy.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Oda has never fully explained haki.

Until he does we’ll never know if ryou training actually mattered

 

[Peroroncino]

Kata fans are arguing that basic clash is coating now?

 

[Steve Madden]

Black lightning doesn't always mean conquerors. You can produce black lightning just amplifying your armaments haki. Only time Luffy and Kat used armaments in their attacks was when they had their conquerors haki clash

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

People out here writing essays on haki when it’s literally never been clearly explained.

 

[Alpha]

People out here writing essays on haki when it’s literally never been clearly explained.

My thoughts exactly...

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

People still compare CoC clashes(Sanjikun) with what we see from usually CoC effect.
Doffy vs Luffy, Luffy vs Don Chinjao, Luffy vs Katakuri, these guys always clash and then we get black lightning, Kata was the only one who release little lightning before he clash with Luffy, but he refain his power as CoA and similar thing did show Jinbe.
In case their black leaking aura thing is pretty clear and linear, while adv CoC is far bigger and leaking around the user, so far seven characters show this adv CoC version.
Whitebeard and Roger:

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Luffy and Kaido:

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And Yamato:

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And Big mom:

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These six so far show adv CoC and if we count Oden adv version against Kaido with Totsuka, we have 7.
In case the black aura leaking stuff happen already before the clash happen and Oda clearly draw the black leake aura from adv CoC different to the one who have black lightning small leak aura from CoA.

Neither Doffy vs Luffy show such things as black leaking aura before the clash happen, neither Don and Katakuri was about CoA.
The draw for adv CoC is clear and so far only 7 characters show such a power, people should not mistake it(Sanjikun) with a usually normal CoC clash between two characters.

 

[Steve Madden]

Oda has never fully explained haki.

Until he does we’ll never know if ryou training actually mattered

Ryou training does matter as it creates a space between you and the enemy. It's probably the most important thing when fighting someone like Blackbeard who can take away your ability by touching you, or Akainu who can simply just burn you from being touched alone.

 

[JoNdule]

The CoC clash between non adv users create shockwaves(which can affect material things).
The adv. one is the direct use on attacks, even the lightings/sparks are different:

Here you have a thicker lightning and even before the clash.

Anyone thinking basic coC and adcoc are the same are dumb

Oda knows how to differentiate adCOc and CoC