Powers & Abilities King and Queen are the only Beast Pirates that matter

#22
"Zoro and Sanji", "Zoro and Sanji", "Zoro and Sanji"
Sanji fans always put them together in same sentence to pretend that Sanji is still relevant and comparable to Zoro.

Now they do it again with their opponents.
"King and Queen"
Show me one panel of King being hyped, without it being about his clan or without him being with Queen.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#24
Bounty and Zoro disagree.

And yes, Zoro in this chapter said that he espected that King was that strong, so he actually thinks that Queen is strong too.
They're same tier.
Bounty is not a compelling indicator of power level since it's based on a multitude of factors. Oda has consistently proven that King stands above Queen by just looking at the difference in performance he had with Sanji and Queen had with Sanji or how proficiently King is behaving against Zoro.
 
#26
King has more panels with Queen than by himself. Ztards shouldnt be taken seriously.
For the 100th time sharing the same panel with someone else doesn't mean they are equal in powers. How flat does your brain have to be to think such a stupid thing? They're YC1 and YC2 both strongest subordinates of Kaido. However a YC2 is not equal to a YC1 no matter how desperately you misinterpret the manga.
 
#27
For the 100th time sharing the same panel with someone else doesn't mean they are equal in powers. How flat does your brain have to be to think such a stupid thing? They're YC1 and YC2 both strongest subordinates of Kaido. However a YC2 is not equal to a YC1 no matter how desperately you misinterpret the manga.
But why all YC2 and YC1 should have the same power gap?
It's clear that if King > Queen then Katakuri Is >> Smoothie, for example.
 
#29
But why all YC2 and YC1 should have the same power gap?
It's clear that if King > Queen then Katakuri Is >> Smoothie, for example.
As for now its clear that King is stronger than Queen just by his feats. Look how he overpowered Zoro. He was toying with RS Sanji and had only a halfassed intention to kill him. He still overwhelmed Sanji. While Queen isn't doing anything to even base sanji up to this point.
 
#31
"Zoro and Sanji", "Zoro and Sanji", "Zoro and Sanji"
Sanji fans always put them together in same sentence to pretend that Sanji is still relevant and comparable to Zoro.

Now they do it again with their opponents.
"King and Queen"
Oda literally spelled it for dumbasses, they are the wings of the pirate king, they are comparable and are as relevant, zoro is slightly stronger, sanji isn't far behind

And yes, king and queen are the only beast pirate that matter other than kaido

Panel time and hype speaks for itself
 
#33
For the 100th time sharing the same panel with someone else doesn't mean they are equal in powers. How flat does your brain have to be to think such a stupid thing? They're YC1 and YC2 both strongest subordinates of Kaido. However a YC2 is not equal to a YC1 no matter how desperately you misinterpret the manga.

YC1 and YC 2 are made up power levels the way the community tends to use them.


The only value of using these terms is to order characters based on how strong you think they are within one crew, but it means absolutely nothing for the gaps between them or comparisons with other crews.

So you are right in your post, they are not equal, that's not the implication of all of these panels or their bounties.

They are however both YC's with strength worthy of monsters with bounties over 1 Billion beri





and that is used for powerscaling in the manga by Marco after figthing them both to give that confirmation.

This statement at this point in time can only be made about Katakuri, Queen, King and Marco, so that's the company Oda gives Queen through this type of hype. Maybe he is the weakest of them all, but he can hang and get this type of hype, unlike other weaker YC's, who are used to make King and Queen look that much more impressive in comparison as was the case with Jack for their introduction.
 
#34
Sneak attacks? Sanji was at an advantage, being invisible, while King didn't know what was going on, after that approaching Momo and kicking him, to have Sanji interfere.

Blocks King's kick with an outstretched leg:



King overpowers Sanji's leg, with Sanji's leg bending from its prior outstretched position and Sanji feeling discomfort:



After that, grabs Sanji's neck, turns into Zoan and flies across the floor, with Sanji panicking and asking whether he will die with a hole in his chest. Then being smashed down into the building, with Luffy pointing out how strong that attack was.

@m0nst3Rx even made a thread pointing out, how Sanji was KOed by that move for quite some time.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/rs-sanji-knocked-out-by-kings-unnamed-attack.16212/
Lmao, I never thought people would be dumb enough to think sanji got ko ed, there's literally not a single panel highlighting that, and sanji was on his feets with barely a scratch
 
#35
As for now its clear that King is stronger than Queen just by his feats. Look how he overpowered Zoro. He was toying with RS Sanji and had only a halfassed intention to kill him. He still overwhelmed Sanji. While Queen isn't doing anything to even base sanji up to this point.
How many times should I explain this?
1. Stop believing raid suit Sanji without DJ is stronger than DJ Sanji, that's not true.
DJ is a big power-up as we have seen against Jabura.
Raid suit increases kicks' power only if you use the boost of the shoes, that Sanji didn't use, so It was just like no DJ Sanji clashing with King.
2. King's beck grabbed Sanji, after being grabbed you can't free yourself, It is explained in King's vivrecard.
3. Sanji got grabbed because of Momo, If he didn't have Momo then King wouldn't have had a free blow on Sanji.
4. Even though King had a free blow, Sanji easily tanked It.

Stop using this dumb logic, Zoro screams of pain because of Queen teeth, according to your Logic If Queen used haki or even his stronger teeth that he wanted to use against Chopper then Zoro would be pierced and dead.
 
#36
YC1 and YC 2 are made up power levels the way the community tends to use them.


The only value of using these terms is to order characters based on how strong you think they are within one crew, but it means absolutely nothing for the gaps between them or comparisons with other crews.

So you are right in your post, they are not equal, that's not the implication of all of these panels or their bounties.

They are however both YC's with strength worthy of monsters with bounties over 1 Billion beri





and that is used for powerscaling in the manga by Marco after figthing them both to give that confirmation.

This statement at this point in time can only be made about Katakuri, Queen, King and Marco, so that's the company Oda gives Queen through this type of hype. Maybe he is the weakest of them all, but he can hang and get this type of hype, unlike other weaker YC's, who are used to make King and Queen look that much more impressive in comparison as was the case with Jack for their introduction.
I agree Queen is not weak, but King is just stronger at this point. Queen needs to give Sanji as much trouble as King is giving to Zoro. At the moment he is only enduring Sanjis attacks and not overpowering him. Maybe that will change but as for now I clearly have king above Queen.
 
#38
I agree Queen is not weak, but King is just stronger at this point. Queen needs to give Sanji as much trouble as King is giving to Zoro. At the moment he is only enduring Sanjis attacks and not overpowering him. Maybe that will change but as for now I clearly have king above Queen.
Their personality matters as well. King is more like Kaido while Queen is more like Big Mom. Statements are made that Kaido and Big Mom are equals, but because of their personalities it's easier to look good around Big Mom.
 
#40
How many times should I explain this?
1. Stop believing raid suit Sanji without DJ is stronger than DJ Sanji, that's not true.
DJ is a big power-up as we have seen against Jabura.
Raid suit increases kicks' power only if you use the boost of the shoes, that Sanji didn't use, so It was just like no DJ Sanji clashing with King.
2. King's beck grabbed Sanji, after being grabbed you can't free yourself, It is explained in King's vivrecard.
3. Sanji got grabbed because of Momo, If he didn't have Momo then King wouldn't have had a free blow on Sanji.
4. Even though King had a free blow, Sanji easily tanked It.

Stop using this dumb logic, Zoro screams of pain because of Queen teeth, according to your Logic If Queen used haki or even his stronger teeth that he wanted to use against Chopper then Zoro would be pierced and dead.
RS Sanji is stronger than Base DJ Sanji. Why would he use his RS then? Do you see the logical hole here?
Sanji was grabbed even before Kings beak made contact with him. He could've 1. avoid being grabbed and 2. at least break out of kings grab. Both instances didn't happen. And no he wasn't distracted, he was looking at king who was on his right sight. It doesn't matter if he had momo with him, his RS boosts his speed regardless and it did nothing to avoid king. RS Sanji was also knocked out for few chapters he didn't tanked it. If he truly did tank it, he wouldn't have been KO for some time.
 
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