Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1029 Spoilers Discussion

[BleakAsh]

So Sanji never complained about Queen's durability and his own ineffectiveness?

His attacks are doing nothing to Queen, the YC is not even referencing them or has even been shown to take them seriously.
A punch from a 6yr old is not something to be taken seriously, you will feel the moment of impact but you cant then go and count such attacks as damage.

These power-ups will help him not break his legs!

Face it, so far Sanji has not dealt Queen any sort of lasting damage, he will only be able to do this once he accepts himself as Vinsmoke Sanji and fights all out.

If it was ineffective queen wouldn't say his kick packed a PRETTY GOOD punch..
sanji is hurting the dood but not damaging him significantly or any decisive damage at all.

seriousness isn't the angle you have to look to from.. and yoi do then just consider the fact sanji has still a whole separate DJ that could make that "pretty good kick" "Lethal"

aand moment of impact...yea like that time when sanji Kicked Queenvs face made him bleed also in the combo attack with zoro.. kicks to the chest topple him over making him bleed from his mouth again...so its not just moment of impact but what results later too.. and you'd just Ouch the 6yr old's punch not grunt and scream over it like Qieen does unless you're just that delicate Sasha-San ..one should also consider Queen's resilience aside from his durability which goes hand in hand with each other.. hence why his durability plays a great role..

So is damaging him but to not avail or decisiveness.

and he has been tanking queen's claws even stating that they are heavy attacks yet he's deflecting multiple attacks which his bare legs yet no broken bones..

and again you overlook my point when i say sanji has yet to up his offense by intensifying DJ i even compared 2 separate occasion of the same attack one Base DJ other one is intense DJ under water yet you beckon the notion of exoskeleton being his decisive of fence which little to no basis. . exoskeleton durability doesn't primarily provide any significant offense at all.

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:cantseeme:
How you expect to make a valid argument when you start with a blatantly false statement like this?

Manga: Rooftop 5 are the strongest rookies
Manga: Rooftop 5 are the leaders of the new generation
Manga: Killer damages Kaido, Endures Big Mom's Indra, Counters wind scythes and gale scythes, blitzes Big Mom, endures Indirect Fulgora.

Which part of the above feats and portrayal is Sanji above....

they are plot relevant and exclusive situation Marco wasn't on the roof yet he's below killer? is that the logic you're using..

 

[CbShadow]

We only know that Zoro cut King´s horn, that happen offscreen and when we enter the offscreen battle Zoro was using haki.
We can´t tell if he use haki or not.

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We can´t say if he use haki or not.
Before we see Zoro using haki against King and it didn´t have much different without using named attack.
We need more panels, as I said both didn´t use yet their strongest moves, I wouldn´t underestimate King thought.

And yeah Sanji most like going to cut when someone using haki, alone the fact that Queen is still not impressed by that means that he can use other attacks who going to hurt him.

Zoro stop using haki at least by chapter 1026

King went wild in chapter 1027 because Zoro cut off his mask spike. That implies it just happened before the battle returned to them when Zoro wasn't using haki.

When they clashed, Zoro mid level attack ( ultra tiger hunt) still had enough power to cut through part of King divine attack and damage his mask even more.

That further supports Zoro not needing haki to damage King mask or hit King.

King only overpowered Zoro in physical strength.

Zoro cut the spike whike not using haki.

 

[Adam]

What a shit chapter, Oda broke the rhythm with this boring Killer vs Hawkins, I expected so much in this fight, after all it's two worstgen, disappointing...

 

[IIskandar1997]

I'm going to be serious but I truly feel like Oda will probably keep Sanji above Yamato in the power ranking. The M3 concept is not just hype but there's been constant highlighting from Goda and it seemed to implicate power ranking too. Like they faced the strongest guys all the time and where often highlighted to be the main deals of the crew.

And now we even know Zoro and Sanji constitute the wings of the Pirate King. Although one thing, that doesn't necessarily implicate that Zoro stands below Luffy, sounds more like a matter as most prominent subposts. In fact Benn is a subpost but comparable to Shanks power level wise it does seem according to the VC.

My guess is that they will be equals, mainly because of the conquerors. It would be weird to have CoC infusion be so hyped up as this ultimate technique and then have her below someone that doesnt even have conquerors as far as we know, even more so in the EoS if she learns advanced ryo and starts pulling the same shit current Luffy is doing, and of course DF awakening is another possible power

Plus the anime potrayed Oden and Gaban as equals I would say

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Anddd like i said if you can show me a panel in the manga in which oda referred to sanji as a rookie then I will concede this argument and you win but if you can’t then anything else you say here is based off of YOUR interpretation which can easily go any other way. Sanji has never been stated to be a rookie or “rookie pirate” whatever you wanna call it so LOL that term is reserved for those that have been highlighted in the story like cavendish and the superova w Blackbeard other than that I haven’t seen many other pirates being referred to as rookies. So please if you can show me a panel again of oda referencing sanji as a rookie or rookie pirate according to you I’ll concede this argument as I don’t need to make a poll that’ll be influenced with bias and subjectivism. Im asking for the facts so show me it’s that simple.

The manga doesn't teach English. Sanji is was a rookie. Ace at some point, even Bellamy. Rookie simply means a pirate who is just starting out. Not Barto and Bege were land gangsters for years but they still got called rookies coz they are new(ish) to piracy.

 

[SDfear]

Today is the worst day of spoilers thread
Nothing new

 

[Monkey D Al]

Faster? debatable.
Stronger? definely not.

Killer got out-speed by Zoro and Sanji is the fast one within the monster trio except gear 4 Luffy.
But I guess it is futile to discuss this with people who hate sanji and like killer. So yes you guys are right killer is the strongest, it’s a wonder that he hasn’t killed Kaido and Bigmom yet and become the PK

 

[Desolate Smaug]

What a shit chapter, Oda broke the rhythm with this boring Killer vs Hawkins, I expected so much in this fight, after all it's two worstgen, disappointing...

At least it's out of the way for now. Would have been crappy if the fight came after the wings fight or be shown when the wings fights are heating up.

 

[JazzMazz]

If it was ineffective queen wouldn't say his kick packed a PRETTY GOOD punch..
sanji is hurting the dood but not damaging him significantly or any decisive damage at all.

seriousness isn't the angle you have to look to from.. and yoi do then just consider the fact sanji has still a whole separate DJ that could make that "pretty good kick" "Lethal"

aand moment of impact...yea like that time when sanji Kicked Queenvs face made him bleed also in the combo attack with zoro.. kicks to the chest topple him over making him bleed from his mouth again...so its not just moment of impact but what results later too.. and you'd just Ouch the 6yr old's punch not grunt and scream over it like Qieen does unless you're just that delicate Sasha-San ..one should also consider Queen's resilience aside from his durability which goes hand in hand with each other.. hence why his durability plays a great role..

So is damaging him but to not avail or decisiveness.

and he has been tanking queen's claws even stating that they are heavy attacks yet he's deflecting multiple attacks which his bare legs yet no broken bones..

and again you overlook my point when i say sanji has yet to up his offense by intensifying DJ i even compared 2 separate occasion of the same attack one Base DJ other one is intense DJ under water yet you beckon the notion of exoskeleton being his decisive of fence which little to no basis. . exoskeleton durability doesn't primarily provide any significant offense at all.

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they are plot relevant and exclusive situation Marco wasn't on the roof yet he's below killer? is that the logic you're using..

I think its sort of similar to how Doffy was treating Sanji's kicks in some respects.

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Like yes, they acknowledge Sanji's kicks posssess some strength, but they aren't terribly effective.

I think that Sanji getting frustrated that he wasn't doing any major damage to Queen was sort of confirmed in the chapter where he talked about how tough Queen's hide was.

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Queen at a later point even says that Sanji isn't putting up much of a fight.

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Anyway, I think that Sanji was doing roughly as expected against a top emperor commander like Queen. Just look at Luffy's fights with Cracker and Katakuri, and we can see its following a similar trajectory of losing quite badly or getting nowhere to begin with before eventually powering up/improving/ changing fighting style, allowing them to come out on top.

Like, even Zoro, who has some ridiculous feats, is currently struggling with King.

Not entirely related, but I think its a good discussion. I think that Sanji struggling with Queen was pretty expected.

 

[rerere]

Killer got out-speed by Zoro and Sanji is the fast one within the monster trio except gear 4 Luffy.
But I guess it is futile to discuss this with people who hate sanji and like killer. So yes you guys are right killer is the strongest, it’s a wonder that he hasn’t killed Kaido and Bigmom yet and become the PK

You keep mistaking cause you consider Kamazo from Ringo, who is not the right parameter to scale Killer

 

[Julius]

Killer got out-speed by Zoro and Sanji is the fast one within the monster trio except gear 4 Luffy.
But I guess it is futile to discuss this with people who hate sanji and like killer. So yes you guys are right killer is the strongest, it’s a wonder that he hasn’t killed Kaido and Bigmom yet and become the PK

Mutton Shot = Rengoku Onigiri in Attack Speed, according to chapter 1022

It may also be the case in Attack Power, since King and Queen are basically equally durable (Queen looks more durable for me by feats), despite the fact that King and Queen basically ignored both attacks, but Queen used haki to block Sanji a bit later

 

[Doggo]

Today is the worst day of spoilers thread
Nothing new

Dawn of the Second Day.
12 hours until Full Summary.

 

[Vinsmoke Ichiji]

106.101 is very mid this week, that's his worst spoiler delivery. He's pretty inconsistent

 

[Jackteo]

Yeah so using Sanji performance against Queen to judge Killer vs Sanji was unfair.
Pré exo all out Sanji with RS vs Killer will be a great fight.

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this aint good for us sanji fans

It's great, he has to help Zoro

 

[nik87]

With Franky being clean and Sanjino running away...
...does that mean that Franky vs Queen is happening after all?

 

[Adam]

At least it's out of the way for now. Would have been crappy if the fight came after the wings fight or be shown when the wings fights are heating up.

I hope for

 

[WorstgenGaminG]

Additional info:

Kidd displays a new attack.

Law cannot hurt big mom because her durability is too much not even Gamma Knife helps him.

 

[Grade12]

165 pages mid result

 

[Hedfi]

After the shitshow of the F6, Jack and Perospero, now it's the shitshow of Hawkins this chapter, later it's the shitshow of Apoo and Fukurokuju.

Is there any other shitshows I'm missing?

Imagine Big Mom, King and Queen end up being shitshows too just so Oda could put more focus on Luffy and draw 20 chapters of Luffy vs Kaido.

Wano and this raid are the very definition of a shitshow so far.

 

[BangOO🍅]

@Queek Hea D Taker @jmena