Who is Stronger?


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Seriously this again. Kamazo is Killer, killer is kamazo. Are you saying Usopp got stronger and better at sharpshooting as sogeking. Because he was an alter ego? Like come on bro
It's not a matter of alter ego is a matter of condition of the character. Killer's weapons, haki, physical stats etc were not the same no matter how you look at it. I've already explained you this in a pretty detailed post.
 
Killer got out-speed by Zoro and Sanji is the fast one within the monster trio except gear 4 Luffy.
But I guess it is futile to discuss this with people who hate sanji and like killer. So yes you guys are right killer is the strongest, it’s a wonder that he hasn’t killed Kaido and Bigmom yet and become the PK
Gear 2 is faster than base Sanji, no need to go in 4th.

Base Sanji was getting destroyed by the likes of Vergo, theres absolutely no way in hell that Sanji withoud his new PU is even close to comparable to killer, and this has nothing to do with personal bias, its just straight up facts that anyone with half a working braincell can easily see.
 
I said fast (not cast :feelscryingman:) regen. Even if Queen has regeneration its slow. Queen never said anything about regen but he said that dinos are durable so no regen nonsense.

Thats what i am talking about Sanji didnt used the Raid Suit but Base Sanji cant defeat Queen. Queen mocks him and broke all his bones last chapter. Sanji needs to defeat Queen fast so it will happen with Raid Suit or a New Powerup.
Dude, it is stated ancient zoans got high durability and regan, and if queen is an ancient zoan it applies to him as well, same as king, page one, ulti, drake,wsw,sasaki, jack.
 
you sure sound very salty at the thought that people don't see the story the same as you!
How is thinking the 2nd in command of the Kid Pirates, someone along with Luffy, Kid, Law and Zoro was called one of the 5 strongest, how is it then when people view such a person as being above Sanji you then have a problem with it?
What argument did you bring, except for you being salty that people thought and some do still think Killer is stronger than Sanji?
Which point did you actually make that didn't sound like delusional drivel?
Says you, im not slaty at all.
I brought arguments from the manga and feats you just talk out of ur ass, how can anyone take you seriously ? If you wabt to prove your point explain yourself dont just say because i think so lmao.
Why are you making this personal its literally just a manga discussion wtf are you on, i managed to prove my point as you being childish and cant even maintain a basic debate because you get emotional over the facts lol.
 
Oda with Law’s hax fruit basically answered all the questions regarding topics like:

- Can Sugar turn WB or Kaido…etc of top tiers into toys?

- Can Bonney turn them to kids?

- Can Law just switch personality and defeat them easily? Or shamble them to sea and drown them

- Can xxxx weak character with hax DF do jack shit to Top Tiers with insane haki?

answer is No…. Until plot demands
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Until Otama tame Kaido Lol
 
I think its sort of similar to how Doffy was treating Sanji's kicks in some respects.


Like yes, they acknowledge Sanji's kicks posssess some strength, but they aren't terribly effective.

I think that Sanji getting frustrated that he wasn't doing any major damage to Queen was sort of confirmed in the chapter where he talked about how tough Queen's hide was.
Queen at a later point even says that Sanji isn't putting up much of a fight.
Anyway, I think that Sanji was doing roughly as expected against a top emperor commander like Queen. Just look at Luffy's fights with Cracker and Katakuri, and we can see its following a similar trajectory of losing quite badly or getting nowhere to begin with before eventually powering up/improving/ changing fighting style, allowing them to come out on top.

Like, even Zoro, who has some ridiculous feats, is currently struggling with King.

Not entirely related, but I think its a good discussion. I think that Sanji struggling with Queen was pretty expected.
Sanji's poele a frire is like Luffy's Hawk Gatling, these moves never do shit, they are always blocked by the opponent anyway, its more focused on preventing the enemy from escaping because they need to keep their guard up to protect themselves
 
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