General & Others Oda Isn’t a Good Writer According to Pixar
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So Pixar chooses how to write story. 
There are some good rules and bad rules in this list.
But i believe if you are a good writer you can bend this rules a little bit.
Not following rules doesnt make anyone good or bad writer its the quality of the story and our connections to the characters matters.
There are some good rules and bad rules in this list.
But i believe if you are a good writer you can bend this rules a little bit.
Not following rules doesnt make anyone good or bad writer its the quality of the story and our connections to the characters matters.
There is a big mistake. Let's say Pixar writes a story. Fine. But you can't compare it to One Piece.
One piece is an Epic, more precisely a Fantasy Epic in Manga format. You can't compare it to Pixar's philosophy of writing a 2 hour animation movie story.
Btw every creative should stick to no rules. Do your own thing.
There is a big mistake. Let's say Pixar writes a story. Fine. But you can't compare it to One Piece.
One piece is an Epic, more precisely a Fantasy Epic in Manga format. You can't compare it to Pixar's philosophy of writing a 2 hour animation movie story.
That's pretty nonsense in my opinion.
One piece is an Epic, more precisely a Fantasy Epic in Manga format. You can't compare it to Pixar's philosophy of writing a 2 hour animation movie story.
Btw every creative should stick to no rules. Do your own thing.
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There is a big mistake. Let's say Pixar writes a story. Fine. But you can't compare it to One Piece.
One piece is an Epic, more precisely a Fantasy Epic in Manga format. You can't compare it to Pixar's philosophy of writing a 2 hour animation movie story.
That's pretty nonsense in my opinion.
Where does it state that he didnt know the ending for WCI, let alone Wano?
Lets use Wano arc on its own to see if a Pixar formula really adds much depth
Oden, Daimyos Scabbards, Rooftop SN, Yamato
Pretty vague and implies a writer must bend over and pander to a wider audience than write the stories they want for the sake of mass appeal. Regardless this rule is applied for Pixar because they have a larger crew size in making their materials (including multiple writers, animators, producers, executives, etc.) and writers have to confine to those boundaries.
Too bad Oda doesn't get that luxury because hes a weekly mangaka author. Either way the theme of Wano is the theme of OP as a whole. Inherited will, aspiring for dreams, and the concept of freedom. This time explored through the subsidiary theme of loyalty and how that can be inherited and maintained throughout generations.
The entirety of act one of Wano. It explores what wano is like in its current situation and luffy interference lead to a spiriling of events that got us to where we are now.
This is true that wano arc lacks simplifying around the onigashima section, but this is something that was an inevitability given all the build up prior to landing Wano.
Luffy punch good. Kaido body better so luffys punch bad. Luffy deals by finding better technique to punch better and gets rewarded for good nature. Its simple but thats what our lord and savior pixar desire do they not?
Oda definitely has the ending down by the time Wano arc started. Its the inbetweens that may be something he didnt have forsight over
Seems more like advice for the critics of the arc than Oda himself as he will move on and finish up the story of the series as a whole after this.
Out of 120+ chapters of this arc most of these situations have had both set up in the arc itself and prior to it.
And if oda likes gags?
Good thing Oda doesn't really hold back in terms of ideas in his head
Whatever the hell this means
Arguably the whole dynamic between Ashura Doji and Shinobou in the second act. Theres also Law and Kid to take into consideration despite having the same goals. Even then what if that opposing opinion is just posion to the audience instead because its just feels forced?
Its the culmination of years of arcs and the series worldbuilding before the endgame. Odas able to put japan in his setting and fit japans history of isolation into his larger narrative for the series.
Pretty much the same felling as this
For Luffy its becoming one step closer to pirate king as Kaido has a road poneglyph. Near the end it goes deeper into him fighting for the sake of his friends he made in this arc and prior such as Kinemon. As for stakes Luffys life, whole carreer as a pirate, the entire country of wano being subjugated to the beast pirates as well as the recent events of the WG ready to take wano in its dominion.
Jack. That is all
Wano especially the second half is new territory for Oda as he is writing a war setting with this large amount of cast and not have it cut short like Marineford where tons of plotlines where left unresolved or not given a definitive ending besides the main one. Whether one believes it worked or not you cant say he wasn't testing new waters.
And if those coincidences where established prior to their use, is that still consider cheating if the readers could have put those pieces together before they were put into use?
We dont know movies Oda stated hed dislike and how he rearange them into some he does.
See number 15
The essence of wano is the essence of almost all of OP arcs and that's romance (or the infatuation of mystery). Wano is written as a forefront of this ideal as their lies a deeper thematic understanding of the world its characters and narrative as a whole. By the end of Act one you understand Wanos plight its source of corruption and the protagonist plan to upheave it. By act two you get a deeper understanding of the 20 year gap and how people of wano both privileged and non skate on by in their situation, with each of the three scabbards Kin is trying to recruit represent these aspects. And act three is all those mysteries tying together and paying off.
This is just Wano but their are many examples pre and post ts arcs where oda follows these rules Pixar set out. As you can see Its not hard to find these in the writings of the arc if you really care about objective storytelling. And OP does have problems to its writing but those issues aren't something these rules will solve. Like most pixar films are self contained and never explore onscreen death in its plot (except that one time that old man jobbed to ballons or that cricket) yet one of the biggest critiques of the series of OP is the lack of non flashback deaths or fake outs. OP issues are more intricate that following this check list of basic storytelling will really get far in solving the unique issues of OP. This also explains why Pixar themselves are in a rut because they barely innovate for the past decade.
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Lets use Wano arc on its own to see if a Pixar formula really adds much depth
Oden, Daimyos Scabbards, Rooftop SN, Yamato
Pretty vague and implies a writer must bend over and pander to a wider audience than write the stories they want for the sake of mass appeal. Regardless this rule is applied for Pixar because they have a larger crew size in making their materials (including multiple writers, animators, producers, executives, etc.) and writers have to confine to those boundaries.
Too bad Oda doesn't get that luxury because hes a weekly mangaka author. Either way the theme of Wano is the theme of OP as a whole. Inherited will, aspiring for dreams, and the concept of freedom. This time explored through the subsidiary theme of loyalty and how that can be inherited and maintained throughout generations.
The entirety of act one of Wano. It explores what wano is like in its current situation and luffy interference lead to a spiriling of events that got us to where we are now.
This is true that wano arc lacks simplifying around the onigashima section, but this is something that was an inevitability given all the build up prior to landing Wano.
Luffy punch good. Kaido body better so luffys punch bad. Luffy deals by finding better technique to punch better and gets rewarded for good nature. Its simple but thats what our lord and savior pixar desire do they not?
Oda definitely has the ending down by the time Wano arc started. Its the inbetweens that may be something he didnt have forsight over
Seems more like advice for the critics of the arc than Oda himself as he will move on and finish up the story of the series as a whole after this.
Out of 120+ chapters of this arc most of these situations have had both set up in the arc itself and prior to it.
And if oda likes gags?
Good thing Oda doesn't really hold back in terms of ideas in his head
Whatever the hell this means
Arguably the whole dynamic between Ashura Doji and Shinobou in the second act. Theres also Law and Kid to take into consideration despite having the same goals. Even then what if that opposing opinion is just posion to the audience instead because its just feels forced?
Its the culmination of years of arcs and the series worldbuilding before the endgame. Odas able to put japan in his setting and fit japans history of isolation into his larger narrative for the series.
Pretty much the same felling as this
For Luffy its becoming one step closer to pirate king as Kaido has a road poneglyph. Near the end it goes deeper into him fighting for the sake of his friends he made in this arc and prior such as Kinemon. As for stakes Luffys life, whole carreer as a pirate, the entire country of wano being subjugated to the beast pirates as well as the recent events of the WG ready to take wano in its dominion.
Jack. That is all
Wano especially the second half is new territory for Oda as he is writing a war setting with this large amount of cast and not have it cut short like Marineford where tons of plotlines where left unresolved or not given a definitive ending besides the main one. Whether one believes it worked or not you cant say he wasn't testing new waters.
And if those coincidences where established prior to their use, is that still consider cheating if the readers could have put those pieces together before they were put into use?
We dont know movies Oda stated hed dislike and how he rearange them into some he does.
See number 15
The essence of wano is the essence of almost all of OP arcs and that's romance (or the infatuation of mystery). Wano is written as a forefront of this ideal as their lies a deeper thematic understanding of the world its characters and narrative as a whole. By the end of Act one you understand Wanos plight its source of corruption and the protagonist plan to upheave it. By act two you get a deeper understanding of the 20 year gap and how people of wano both privileged and non skate on by in their situation, with each of the three scabbards Kin is trying to recruit represent these aspects. And act three is all those mysteries tying together and paying off.
This is just Wano but their are many examples pre and post ts arcs where oda follows these rules Pixar set out. As you can see Its not hard to find these in the writings of the arc if you really care about objective storytelling. And OP does have problems to its writing but those issues aren't something these rules will solve. Like most pixar films are self contained and never explore onscreen death in its plot (except that one time that old man jobbed to ballons or that cricket) yet one of the biggest critiques of the series of OP is the lack of non flashback deaths or fake outs. OP issues are more intricate that following this check list of basic storytelling will really get far in solving the unique issues of OP. This also explains why Pixar themselves are in a rut because they barely innovate for the past decade.
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He got threadbanned from his own thread? Oh well.
I was also going to point out that this list isn't so much for criticizing already existing works as it is a creative writing guide for new writers. Since Pixar is aimed towards kids, this writing list is also probably aimed towards kids who are interested in writing their own story.
I was also going to point out that this list isn't so much for criticizing already existing works as it is a creative writing guide for new writers. Since Pixar is aimed towards kids, this writing list is also probably aimed towards kids who are interested in writing their own story.
is that same Tolkien hype witch king then got big meme treatment. Like losing his dragon to woman and got killed by woman who is not even powerful
lee33 is whiny guy. I told him just leave this forums and find something to enjoy yourself like reading hellsing manga or something.
Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a cult fanboy how dare they
While I'm the first to criticize Oda's decisions when I find them flawed, many of these rules aren't axioms for good writing but clearly coming from a studio of mass production who creates children stories good enough to be enjoyed by adults. Absolutely nothing obligates an author to follow them if their creative philosophy and working schedules are different than Pixar's.
Damn, imagine at getting actually offended for having people disagree with your post.
Pixar doesn't exactly set the absolute rules for good writing.
Oda can write whatever the hell he wants; comparing Pixar's works and OP in terms of writing is irrelevant anyway. Attempting to denounce his work because he doesn't follow some animation studio's guidelines seems a bit silly.
Pixar doesn't exactly set the absolute rules for good writing.
Oda can write whatever the hell he wants; comparing Pixar's works and OP in terms of writing is irrelevant anyway. Attempting to denounce his work because he doesn't follow some animation studio's guidelines seems a bit silly.
this i agreed 100%
one piece is like a cocaine it,s impossible to oda fanboys to let go it,s their cocaine their source of entertaiment ,thry bild to criticism n fought so hard againts critic like in trashreddit
the money milking is too good to let go by shonen like boruto 
but i also agree that you cannot compare movie with long on going manga imagine if the incredibles made a comic from 2004 into now 2021 it will ended like one pice i think ....
one piece is like a cocaine it,s impossible to oda fanboys to let go it,s their cocaine their source of entertaiment ,thry bild to criticism n fought so hard againts critic like in trashreddit
the money milking is too good to let go by shonen like boruto but i also agree that you cannot compare movie with long on going manga imagine if the incredibles made a comic from 2004 into now 2021 it will ended like one pice i think ....
Another example of Western mindset centered opinion.
Who cares about Pixar's western mindset. Nowadays, many think that the Western worldview is the ultimate.
For a long time now, I prefer to watch Korean or other non-Western movies. I live in Europe. The Western art form always sees itself as superior, it's annoying and it's not superior.
Placing so much emphasis on Pixar's opinion and then comparing it in the context of manga as an art form is misguided.
You simply can't compare one of the biggest Fantasy Epics that is on par with for example JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings Book with a mere Popcorn Movie creating Studio.
Who cares about Pixar's western mindset. Nowadays, many think that the Western worldview is the ultimate.
For a long time now, I prefer to watch Korean or other non-Western movies. I live in Europe. The Western art form always sees itself as superior, it's annoying and it's not superior.
Placing so much emphasis on Pixar's opinion and then comparing it in the context of manga as an art form is misguided.
You simply can't compare one of the biggest Fantasy Epics that is on par with for example JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings Book with a mere Popcorn Movie creating Studio.
Those 22 rules do not apply to everything. And you shouldn't rlly act like everything that Pixar released following those rules is a masterpiece.
Facts, I tend to compare Jackie Chan's movies in China and the one that he did in USA to see how good the ones made in China were. Not saying that the USA movies are bad but the oriental ones are far better.
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Facts, I tend to compare Jackie Chan's movies in China and the one that he did in USA to see how good the ones made in China were. Not saying that the USA movies are bad but the oriental ones are far better.
