Spoiler One Piece Chapter 969 Spoilers Discussion
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the situation in here and reddit is completely different lmao. I've seen it all; Oden almost defeated Kaido, Oden had Kaido at death's door, Oden almost killed Kaido but then Big Mom came outta nowhere and save the day 
BM gave souls to Kaido near his death so he could defeat Oden and so on (eventough Kiku had no idea who tf BM was when she washed ashore).
I bet those ppl would flip if they see the shits being said on this site
BM gave souls to Kaido near his death so he could defeat Oden and so on (eventough Kiku had no idea who tf BM was when she washed ashore).I bet those ppl would flip if they see the shits being said on this site
Going from "im about to split you in half" to "giving up" is something we shouldnt jump on too quick and wait for more context from the actual chapter once the official release is out. As if Oden would give up just like that, there is obviously more to it but fandom jumping the gun, as usual...
Unlike the Birdcage, Barrier is indestructible and doesnt make people stupid that they never try cutting it.
Unlike the Birdcage, Barrier is indestructible and doesnt make people stupid that they never try cutting it.
Exactly. People have wrong understanding of Haki.
They think that Haki nullifies the DF ability, which it doesn't, it's not like water of sea stone.
Haki only makes your punches stronger against a body that has a form (non-logia)
while against Logia, it doesn't negate your Logia ability, it ONLY allows you to touch the real body, while naturally your punches are stronger when imbued with haki.
However, the ONLY THING, I'm actually curious about is whether the Advanced Haki, that Rayleigh used (Luffy is learning) is able to penetrate through Bartolomeo's ability or not, since it's the ability to detroyed from (inside out). And not from outside to inside.
Because Normal attacks with NORMAL haki where it penetrates from outside to inside, I was so sure about it not working against Bartolomeo ever since forever.
Even the scenes of Bartolomeo being scared of (Fujitora or Pica's punch) was not simply because of the idea that it will break.
His barrier is UNBREAKABLE even against Fujitora, Pica or Birdcage.
However, Birdcage showed its weakness in that it CAN BE PUSHED BACK
Which means, had Pica landed that BIG PUNCH, it wouldn't break, but it would have pushed the barrier back and slams Bartomoleo into the ground.
Fujitora had almost an entire city above ready to fall, so it can basically crush Bartolomeo with his barrier, BUT it won't break. So, the weakness is it getting pushed back and eventually smashing Bartolomeo himself.
Oden as a swordsman, his fighting style is cutting, which is basically the WORST in fighting Barto's ability. Specially since unlike Fujitora, he doesn't have a DF. Fuji has ability with gravity, he can push the barrier back with horizontal gravity, he can bring down a whole city, a whole meteor smashing Barto along with his barrier.
But Oden's fighting style is a clear cut slashes type. NO pushing type of attacks.
Which is why I'm wondering if he's got advanced Haki, from inside out, would that affect the barrier if he tried it?
Or is he NOT able to use the ability to destroy from inside out? maybe that wasn't how kaido's scar from, maybe it's because Enma is simply that powerful?
Or is advanced haki also does NOT work on barrier.
I'm curious to find out
They think that Haki nullifies the DF ability, which it doesn't, it's not like water of sea stone.
Haki only makes your punches stronger against a body that has a form (non-logia)
while against Logia, it doesn't negate your Logia ability, it ONLY allows you to touch the real body, while naturally your punches are stronger when imbued with haki.
However, the ONLY THING, I'm actually curious about is whether the Advanced Haki, that Rayleigh used (Luffy is learning) is able to penetrate through Bartolomeo's ability or not, since it's the ability to detroyed from (inside out). And not from outside to inside.
Because Normal attacks with NORMAL haki where it penetrates from outside to inside, I was so sure about it not working against Bartolomeo ever since forever.
Even the scenes of Bartolomeo being scared of (Fujitora or Pica's punch) was not simply because of the idea that it will break.
His barrier is UNBREAKABLE even against Fujitora, Pica or Birdcage.
However, Birdcage showed its weakness in that it CAN BE PUSHED BACK
Which means, had Pica landed that BIG PUNCH, it wouldn't break, but it would have pushed the barrier back and slams Bartomoleo into the ground.
Fujitora had almost an entire city above ready to fall, so it can basically crush Bartolomeo with his barrier, BUT it won't break. So, the weakness is it getting pushed back and eventually smashing Bartolomeo himself.
Oden as a swordsman, his fighting style is cutting, which is basically the WORST in fighting Barto's ability. Specially since unlike Fujitora, he doesn't have a DF. Fuji has ability with gravity, he can push the barrier back with horizontal gravity, he can bring down a whole city, a whole meteor smashing Barto along with his barrier.
But Oden's fighting style is a clear cut slashes type. NO pushing type of attacks.
Which is why I'm wondering if he's got advanced Haki, from inside out, would that affect the barrier if he tried it?
Or is he NOT able to use the ability to destroy from inside out? maybe that wasn't how kaido's scar from, maybe it's because Enma is simply that powerful?
Or is advanced haki also does NOT work on barrier.
I'm curious to find out
But Oden specficially doesn't care about Kaido so that doesn't matter in this moment. In this moment Oden should have found a way to kill Orochi and Oda got lazy and just off screened him getting low diffed simply because of the barrier fruit. Like this isn't the devil fruit ever. If An actual character who was supposed to win came across a user of the barrier fruit, Oda would've written a way for them to win... But Oden is supposed to lose so he just gets low diffed because of plot and you just have to accept that the guy who is basically the strongest man in yhe country at the time got inexplicably walloped
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