Powers & Abilities Vivre card Enma confirmation

Enma has a soul. And it has Oden's Haki, which is Oden's will/ambition. Will/ambition is often used interchangeably. I also haven't called Haki soul if you read correctly; I called it (manifestation) of spiritual energy.
It doesn't have his haki.
All swords contain the wills of previous users. Doesn't mean their haki is in the sword.
Don't know why something so simple and clearly stated in manga needs this much mental gymnastics
 
Unless Oda is drunk.
He wouldn't highlight Enma like that

Zoro's haki received no hype
Nobody commented on his haki being abnormal or powerful
Everything was just about how enma is special or abnormal ,has Oden's presence/aura in it

Blame Oda for making Enma outshine Zoro himself on the roof
 
It is an unconfirmed but completely logical assumption. I'd even say it's the only possible logical assumption one can make after what happened on the roof.
Cap since that would imply that enma is also currently saving up zoros haki
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Unless Oda is drunk.
He wouldn't highlight Enma like that

Zoro's haki received no hype
Nobody commented on his haki being abnormal or powerful
Everything was just about how enma is special or abnormal ,has Oden's presence/aura in it

Blame Oda for making Enma outshine Zoro himself on the roof
Cap based on the fact that the moment kaido was permanently scared by zoro the first thing kaido did was hype zoros haki confirming him to be a conqueror
 
It is an unconfirmed but completely logical assumption. I'd even say it's the only possible logical assumption one can make after what happened on the roof.
No, it's not. It completely ignores the information the manga provided us.

This scene explains to us how enma works.
Nowhere in that scene are we told enma retains the previous user haki. That information is coming from a blacksmith who creates dangerous swords. An expert. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

Zoro's performance on the rooftop is very easy to understand when you understand the benefits to using barrier haki offensively and defensively.

Hyou explained to us that barrier haki can be used defensively or to increase the offensive power of an attack.



You alse must have to understand the strength and amount of Zoro's CoA haki and his level of control of haki at the time. Remember, Zoro using enma would help him increase his haki control.


The above scenes shows 4 important info about Zoro:
1 - How Zoro could easily cut a cliff using only the physical strength needed to cut a tree because of the strength and amount of barrier haki released from his body. If Zoro put more physical strength into his attack the stronger it would be.

2 - The incredible large amount of CoA haki Zoro has. He didn't know the sword would force out his haki before he used it so he wasn't ready to stop it. Yet, only his right arm shriveled up. We were told weaker swordsman entire bodies would have shriveled up.

3 - Zoro was easily able to take all of the haki left on the sword back into his body. That's the first time we have seen that. It's showed he has always been able to control large amounts of haki post TS.

4 - Nobody except for Oden has been able to control enma. Even the Scabbards couldn't control it.

As you can see Oda hyped up Zoro's CoA haki and portrayed it at a high level.

From all of the info and facts provided you can see Zoro's performance on the rooftop was believable.

Cutting the horn was because Zoro used barrier haki offensively.


Blocking Hakai was because Zoro used barrier haki defensively.


Unless Oda is drunk.
He wouldn't highlight Enma like that

Zoro's haki received no hype
Nobody commented on his haki being abnormal or powerful
Everything was just about how enma is special or abnormal ,has Oden's presence/aura in it

Blame Oda for making Enma outshine Zoro himself on the roof
Actually, he did hype up Zoro's haki.

The first time Zoro used blackened haki he shocked and amazed Oden's retainers and beat a character's who haki was hyped up to be invincible.

Zoro scarring Kaido, a character with an invincible body who has only been scarred one other time, was one of the greatest feats in the manga.

I already explained how Oda hyped up Zoro's haki more in my post.

Enma never outshined Zoro. That's BS you and the rest of Zoro's haters claim. Even when Kaido stated he felt a strange haki. Strange is defined as: not previously visited, seen, or encountered; unfamiliar or alien. You and others either ignored it or tried to claim Kaido was feeling Zoro and Oden combined. Instead of the most obvious and logical answer, he felt Zoro's haki. Since he has never fought Zoro before his haki would be strange or unfamiliar to him.
 
No, it's not. It completely ignores the information the manga provided us.

This scene explains to us how enma works.
Nowhere in that scene are we told enma retains the previous user haki. That information is coming from a blacksmith who creates dangerous swords. An expert. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

Zoro's performance on the rooftop is very easy to understand when you understand the benefits to using barrier haki offensively and defensively.

Hyou explained to us that barrier haki can be used defensively or to increase the offensive power of an attack.



You alse must have to understand the strength and amount of Zoro's CoA haki and his level of control of haki at the time. Remember, Zoro using enma would help him increase his haki control.


The above scenes shows 4 important info about Zoro:
1 - How Zoro could easily cut a cliff using only the physical strength needed to cut a tree because of the strength and amount of barrier haki released from his body. If Zoro put more physical strength into his attack the stronger it would be.

2 - The incredible large amount of CoA haki Zoro has. He didn't know the sword would force out his haki before he used it so he wasn't ready to stop it. Yet, only his right arm shriveled up. We were told weaker swordsman entire bodies would have shriveled up.

3 - Zoro was easily able to take all of the haki left on the sword back into his body. That's the first time we have seen that. It's showed he has always been able to control large amounts of haki post TS.

4 - Nobody except for Oden has been able to control enma. Even the Scabbards couldn't control it.

As you can see Oda hyped up Zoro's CoA haki and portrayed it at a high level.

From all of the info and facts provided you can see Zoro's performance on the rooftop was believable.

Cutting the horn was because Zoro used barrier haki offensively.


Blocking Hakai was because Zoro used barrier haki defensively.



Actually, he did hype up Zoro's haki.

The first time Zoro used blackened haki he shocked and amazed Oden's retainers and beat a character's who haki was hyped up to be invincible.

Zoro scarring Kaido, a character with an invincible body who has only been scarred one other time, was one of the greatest feats in the manga.

I already explained how Oda hyped up Zoro's haki more in my post.

Enma never outshined Zoro. That's BS you and the rest of Zoro's haters claim. Even when Kaido stated he felt a strange haki. Strange is defined as: not previously visited, seen, or encountered; unfamiliar or alien. You and others either ignored it or tried to claim Kaido was feeling Zoro and Oden combined. Instead of the most obvious and logical answer, he felt Zoro's haki. Since he has never fought Zoro before his haki would be strange or unfamiliar to him.
Beautifully explained
 
The mera mera ni mi contained Ace will in Dressrosa against Burgess Sabo ace could feel that

Ryuma mentioned Shusui will to serve Zoro and be it's master in Thriller bark, these things aren't new or just unique to Enma. Nobody was claiming Sabo and Zoro were using the powers of Ace and Ryuma back then, but somehow this is supposed to be different now all just to undermine Zoro impressive feats:wellwell:
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Unless Oda is drunk.
He wouldn't highlight Enma like that

Zoro's haki received no hype
Nobody commented on his haki being abnormal or powerful
Everything was just about how enma is special or abnormal ,has Oden's presence/aura in it

Blame Oda for making Enma outshine Zoro himself on the roof
You are confused.

Zoro received the substantial hype and not Enma. At least post the training. They noticed Enma as a threat because it was embedded with Zoro's potency in that instance.
 
If Zoro didn't pull his haki back. Where is Zoro's haki goes ? The same for Oden.
Enma preserved Oden's haki and it can still suck out Zoro's haki.
Enma preserved Oden's haki and Enma suck out Zoro's haki is not a contradiction.
Thanks Oden's haki because it gave Zoro can injures Kaidou.:milaugh:
There is no ifs about it, we can see clearly Zoro was able to take back his haki. Oden who had an even greater mastery over Enma would never even get his haki sucked to begin with lmao you are too desperate :luffylaugh:.

Just like Zoro has been using it since coming down from the roof this is enma when fully mastered :catsure:
 
No, it's not. It completely ignores the information the manga provided us.

This scene explains to us how enma works.
Nowhere in that scene are we told enma retains the previous user haki. That information is coming from a blacksmith who creates dangerous swords. An expert. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

Zoro's performance on the rooftop is very easy to understand when you understand the benefits to using barrier haki offensively and defensively.

Hyou explained to us that barrier haki can be used defensively or to increase the offensive power of an attack.



You alse must have to understand the strength and amount of Zoro's CoA haki and his level of control of haki at the time. Remember, Zoro using enma would help him increase his haki control.


The above scenes shows 4 important info about Zoro:
1 - How Zoro could easily cut a cliff using only the physical strength needed to cut a tree because of the strength and amount of barrier haki released from his body. If Zoro put more physical strength into his attack the stronger it would be.

2 - The incredible large amount of CoA haki Zoro has. He didn't know the sword would force out his haki before he used it so he wasn't ready to stop it. Yet, only his right arm shriveled up. We were told weaker swordsman entire bodies would have shriveled up.

3 - Zoro was easily able to take all of the haki left on the sword back into his body. That's the first time we have seen that. It's showed he has always been able to control large amounts of haki post TS.

4 - Nobody except for Oden has been able to control enma. Even the Scabbards couldn't control it.

As you can see Oda hyped up Zoro's CoA haki and portrayed it at a high level.

From all of the info and facts provided you can see Zoro's performance on the rooftop was believable.

Cutting the horn was because Zoro used barrier haki offensively.


Blocking Hakai was because Zoro used barrier haki defensively.



Actually, he did hype up Zoro's haki.

The first time Zoro used blackened haki he shocked and amazed Oden's retainers and beat a character's who haki was hyped up to be invincible.

Zoro scarring Kaido, a character with an invincible body who has only been scarred one other time, was one of the greatest feats in the manga.

I already explained how Oda hyped up Zoro's haki more in my post.

Enma never outshined Zoro. That's BS you and the rest of Zoro's haters claim. Even when Kaido stated he felt a strange haki. Strange is defined as: not previously visited, seen, or encountered; unfamiliar or alien. You and others either ignored it or tried to claim Kaido was feeling Zoro and Oden combined. Instead of the most obvious and logical answer, he felt Zoro's haki. Since he has never fought Zoro before his haki would be strange or unfamiliar to him.
I appreciate the effort but on the roof they talk about weird haki, presence of Oden and exceptional sword so much i can't just ignore it. Not to mention the strange aura around that sword :josad:
 
I appreciate the effort but on the roof they talk about weird haki, presence of Oden and exceptional sword so much i can't just ignore it. Not to mention the strange aura around that sword :josad:
Zoro is using the same sword against King why hasn't he said mentioned anything about it so far. Where is the strange aura after coming down from the roof :hope:
 
@Gol D. Roger @Garp the Fist @Pantheos Close this thread we already got a confirmation of this
Sunacchi
A cry that circulated through Shimotsuki Village. The Wano swordsmith and swordsmaster Shimotsuki Kozaburo taught it to Zoro.

He secretly learned the "Foxfire Style" from Kinemon. In a single stroke, he bisected Prometheus.

The meito Enma draws out Zoro's haki and turns black!
 
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