ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1033: SHIMOTSUKI KOZABURO

[MarineHQ]

No he is not. Imperial Archer may be faster than Marco. We have no comparison between Marco and Hybrid King.

Kizaru is the fastest character in the verse and Marco damn straight blitzed him in the sky. You can see how Kizaru is still in his pose to perform Yasakani no magatama while Marco is on top of him.

Marco's regeneration gets exhausted pretty quickly.

It doesn't when he uses it 1v1 since the amount of times he needs too regen is doubled since he gets hit far more often.

Marco fought Base/Zoan King and Queen. Queen had not used his Hybrid form, and King was very casual.

Marco later fought a

Headcanon. King looked visibly shocked when Marco came down on him with his knee and he stated that he has his hands full with Marco despite Queen being by his side.

And once again, there's no statement that Marco was ever defeated in a 1v1 by King, that's just pure headcanon until the anime says otherwise. It's been repeatedly stated that Marco was taking care off both King and Queen. The Live floor hasn't been a strict divided in 1v1's.

Zoro knocked King down and drew way more blood from King than Marco did.

Marco fought against King before his mask was partially broken, so King was fucking around and taking things casually.

Before Zoro broke part of King's mask, Zoro had the upper hand against King. Once Zoro broke part King's mask, King began molesting Zoro.

A casual King != a pissed off King.

Marco only proved that he can fight against a casual King. For all we know, if Marco fights against a King as serious as the one Zoro is fighting currently, he gets molested just as badly.

When Zoro finally completely destroys King's mask, we'll see him truly go all out.


The disparity in King's performance before his mask was partially broken and after it was, means that Marco's feats simply don't translate to the current King, let alone all out King.

Marco send King flying while Zoro never on panel dominated King in a single exchange, dunno where you get the idea from that Zoro was dominating him up until he broke the mask. Also, where is this casual King coming from, the fight was off-panneled we have no idea how serious each of em was or which attacks King has used.

If King fights Marco 1v1 without having him tieed before hand he doesn't molest shit. He's been getting smacked around On-panel.

 

[York]

Zoro spent most of the chapter getting tossed around yet its the most badass he's looked, that anyone in one piece has looked, for years. I'd give it a 6 if I could.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

So, this is how Kuina died, she was cursed by Wado Ichimonji.

Wado don't choses her, Wado choses Zoro.

Wait until the reveal it was never her sword

 

[yorosenpai]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464233215040892932

:cheers:

 

[Kromage911]

Marco later fought a casual King alone and was defeated.

We don't know if King defeated him alone. When we saw him getting defeated, King and Hybrid Queen were together and Sanji said that it's difficult to fight them both together. So there's a really big possibility that they defeated him together.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Wait until the reveal it was never her sword

She don't Killed her, Wado cursed her, because she isn't choses as her Wielder.

 

[Shasha23]

Lmao I was thinking how Brago, KOL and Jay would react to this chapter! I know Jay gets really toxic when the chapters focus Sanji and or make Zoro look bad and Zoro did get stuck in the ground this chapter in the same way he did last chapter, which was weird too. No doubt, Jay will use that to slander him as he probably did for the last chapter too lol.

I do feel the Sanji vs Zoro stuff gets out of hand these days, certain people take it too far but there's still hilarious banter and memes that come from it here and there! I can only imagine Jay's reaction to this chapter too, his reactions are priceless hahaha!

LOL I'm actually still shocked that Jay hasn't said a single word today, I was soo hyped waiting for what he was going to say LOL.
Brago at least knows he is only trolling Zoro to make himself feel better, he regularly admits that Zoro is superior, ala Jay and KoL a.k.a Mr.Top5 wont have a great week ahead

Some people just don't want to accept their fav character is inferior to another in strength for some weird reason, but ill probably also feel the same the day Zoro beats Mihawk , probably going to stop reading and go exploring the bush for those few weeks Zoro fights Mihawk

 

[Cinera]

Marco is arguably faster and more agile than King imo but they're obviously super similar in that regard.

Hybrid King is arguably faster and more agile than Marco IMO, see Imperial Archer:

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That said, they're obviously super similar in that regard.

When it comes too regen it's no discussion, King's regen is tied to a gimmick that can be countered most likely while Marco regenerates everything as long as his stamina lasts.

Not exactly:

• Marco's regeneration is consumed with every attack.
• King's regeneration is only consumed when an attack breaches his durability (like Shi Shishi Sonson).

King has a much higher floor to consume his regeneration than Marco does. Attacks of the calibre of Tatsumaki (cut through Kaido's dragon scales) are not enough to breach King's durability.

As a result, King can soak up more total damage than Marco.

King's regeneration also isn't affected by Karouseki.

I further disagree that it is a gimmick that can be countered or exploited:

• Zoro received a considerable power up in order to defeat King (Haoshoku coating).
  • If the secret to really hurting King was an easily exploitable gimmick, Zoro wouldn't need Haoshoku coating.
• The other special traits of the Right Hands weren't exploitable.
  • Katakuri's future sight couldn't be easily exploited.
  • Marco's regeneration can't be easily exploited.

There's no reason for King to be the odd one out.

Marco's Phoenix flames > Prometheus. If King uses just normal fire than Marco's is stronger.

1. Marco's flames already failed to counter King's flames (even when Marco used his best defensive technique):

This is most likely not even King's strongest fire attack given that King was casual until Zoro cracked his mask.

Furthermore, it appears as if King can create flames that burn for days:

Offensive wise King looks better, still, Marco managed to send King crashing something Zoro needs yet to do and his kick against Queen have done more damage than PU Sanji with his strongest technique has done, granted, it was Base Queen.

Zoro already downed King with Rengoku Oni Giri:

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It's just that King was very casual until his mask was cracked:

I disagree that King is overall the better fighter, they're right on par.

You're wrong.

Haoshoku Zoro >=/~/<= King > Rooftop Zoro >= Marco.

That's the most generous placement I can give Marco for now.

All of Marco's feats against King ere against a very casual King that was fucking around. That version of King was equally matched against Zoro. Once Zoro cracked his mask though, King started taking things more seriously and began overwhelming Zoro.


@RayanOO.

 

[OEKaneki]

Majority of people from Reddit to Arlong Park are saying it's ACoC, because it is.

You know Baratie? Puck's Forum for Sanji fans? Majority of them are saying it's ACoC, too, though they have their own agenda of ACoC not meaning much or Sanji getting it, as well.

You're the only toxic "fan" who is denying the obvious:

Zoro's swords are not even coated in CoA hardening, just like WB and Roger, btw:

So, yeah, look in the mirror and realize how much of a stain you are to the community before shittalking and insulting others. Granted, so are a lot of people, but toxic lads shouldn't be running around shittalking those who are in league with them.

A group of wrong people being wrong does not bolster your argument. Zoro literally just awakened CoC less than 30 chapters ago. He just, for the first time, consciously used it. In the story, about 2 or so hours have passed, maybe less, between the events. He does not have the advanced form of something that he didn’t even know he had a handful of minutes earlier. This is no different than when the famous saw Luffy had ACoA and said Zoro had it, or when Luffy gained FS and they said Sanji had it. Stop with the fanboy stuff.

what people here call adv coc
is really conquerors coating

yeah, doesn’t sound like it, unfortunately.

 

[Adam-san]

I swear i will stop downplaying zoro as long as y'all don't downplay luffy or overhype zoro.

 

[yorosenpai]

A group of wrong people being wrong does not bolster your argument. Zoro literally just awakened CoC less than 30 chapters ago. He just, for the first time, consciously used it. In the story, about 2 or so hours have passed, maybe less, between the events. He does not have the advanced form of something that he didn’t even know he had a handful of minutes earlier. This is no different than when the famous saw Luffy had ACoA and said Zoro had it, or when Luffy gained FS and they said Sanji had it. Stop with the fanboy stuff.

yeah, doesn’t sound like it, unfortunately.

bro come on be real this is adcoc (Zoro use adcoc before luffy vs Kaido ) I know you hate it but that facts.

 

[Shanal]

A group of wrong people being wrong does not bolster your argument. Zoro literally just awakened CoC less than 30 chapters ago. He just, for the first time, consciously used it. In the story, about 2 or so hours have passed, maybe less, between the events. He does not have the advanced form of something that he didn’t even know he had a handful of minutes earlier. This is no different than when the famous saw Luffy had ACoA and said Zoro had it, or when Luffy gained FS and they said Sanji had it. Stop with the fanboy stuff.

yeah, doesn’t sound like it, unfortunately.

Yeah, you can call it a cheap power-up, you can call it an ass-pull, but that's your agenda and this is One Piece. Luffy learned FS from scratch in mere hours.

The fact remains that Zoro has CoC coating, and it's canonical, whether you find it cheap or not, and I've already tossed evidence at you as to why. You finding it asspull doesn't mean it stops existing, m8. You're not the one who's writing this story, Oda is. Sanji could start using ACoC too next chapter, and it would be cheap and asspull, but that won't make it un-exist. Sadly our agendas and opinion don't mean anything.

Those who said Zoro used ACoC on rooftop were being fanboys, and that's similar to saying Sanji has FS because Luffy does. But watching Zoro visually use CoC coating (the same visuals that are using for NOTHING other than CoC coating) without even having his swords coated in CoA hardening is practically a proof of him using just that. This is not being fanboy, this is simply having eyes rather than being blind or daft.

What YOU are doing is being a downplayer and downright choosing to ignore what you see to satisfy an agenda.

 

[Cinera]

Kizaru is the fastest character in the verse and Marco damn straight blitzed him in the sky.

This is a contradiction. You can't both claim that Borsalino is the fastest character and that Marco blitzed him. Marco blitzing him debunks him being the fastest character.

Borsalino's only fast attack was his lightspeed kicks and even then he was only able to blitz preskip Supernova. Borsalino has no impressive speed displays against high tiers or top tiers.

It doesn't when he uses it 1v1 since the amount of times he needs too regen is doubled since he gets hit far more often.

"Pretty quickly" might be a misnomer, but his ability to absorb damage is strictly inferior to King:

Not exactly:

• Marco's regeneration is consumed with every attack.
• King's regeneration is only consumed when an attack breaches his durability (like Shi Shishi Sonson).

King has a much higher floor to consume his regeneration than Marco does. Attacks of the calibre of Tatsumaki (cut through Kaido's dragon scales) are not enough to breach King's durability.

As a result, King can soak up more total damage than Marco.

Headcanon. King looked visibly shocked when Marco came down on him with his knee and he stated that he has his hands full with Marco despite Queen being by his side.

And once again, there's no statement that Marco was ever defeated in a 1v1 by King, that's just pure headcanon until the anime says otherwise. It's been repeatedly stated that Marco was taking care off both King and Queen. The Live floor hasn't been a strict divided in 1v1's.

King was casual until his mask was partially broken. Once that happened, he began taking things more seriously:

Before his mask was damaged, Zoro was fighting on par with him. After his mask was damaged, King straight up rag-dolled Zoro:

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Zoro never on panel dominated King in a single exchange, dunno where you get the idea from that Zoro was dominating him up until he broke the mask.

Rengoku Oni Giri is as much domination as Marco showed:

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Other than Rengoku Oni Giri, they fought on par:

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It also goes without saying that Marco was never able to break King's mask. So Zoro did more to casual King than Marco.

If King fights Marco 1v1 without having him tieed before hand he doesn't molest shit. He's been getting smacked around On-panel.

King was smacked around by Marco as much as he was by Zoro prior to 1027.

Once Zoro broke part of King's mask (something Marco was not capable of), King began molesting Zoro.

Also, where is this casual King coming from, the fight was off-panneled we have no idea how serious each of em was or which attacks King has used.

King before his mask was cracked and after his mask was cracked are very different. This was shown in Zoro vs King before and after the mask was cracked. It was also shown in the comments by Beast Pirates fodder on how King was enraged/mad when his mask was cracked.

 

[Cross_Marian]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464269593803907075

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

A group of wrong people being wrong does not bolster your argument. Zoro literally just awakened CoC less than 30 chapters ago. He just, for the first time, consciously used it. In the story, about 2 or so hours have passed, maybe less, between the events. He does not have the advanced form of something that he didn’t even know he had a handful of minutes earlier. This is no different than when the famous saw Luffy had ACoA and said Zoro had it, or when Luffy gained FS and they said Sanji had it. Stop with the fanboy stuff.

yeah, doesn’t sound like it, unfortunately.

when yamato and luffy could coat their attacks with conquerors as well
it was referred to as adv coc in the fandom
its just a semantics argument
conquerors coating would be more precise .

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464269593803907075

for a fandom who hates the comparisons to sanji
you guys do a great job of mocking him anytime zoro looks great .....

 

[zorojurou]

oda plotting something

Spoiler

Maybe King absorbs Kazenbo

 

[MarineHQ]

Hybrid King is arguably faster and more agile than Marco IMO, see Imperial Archer:

I'd argue Marco's movement speed against Kizaru is far more impressive. Besides, just how they're build I think it makes more sense that King is the more slower/more robust bird.

Not exactly:

• Marco's regeneration is consumed with every attack.
• King's regeneration is only consumed when an attack breaches his durability (like Shi Shishi Sonson).

I agree. A big flaw in Marco's fighting style imo.

King has a much higher floor to consume his regeneration than Marco does. Attacks of the calibre of Tatsumaki (cut through Kaido's dragon scales) are not enough to breach King's durability.

As a result, King can soak up more total damage than Marco.

King's regeneration also isn't affected by Karouseki.

Marco did make him cough up blood though and considering the attacks that King took from Zoro without "activating' his regen that's kinda impressive, also, I'm pretty sure that's due to too Marco's Phoenix flames being a nice counter too King's own. I'm off the opinion that the Foxfire style will be the game changer too beating King not Adv CoC.

further disagree that it is a gimmick that can be countered or exploited:

• Zoro received a considerable power up in order to defeat King (Haoshoku coating).
  • If the secret to really hurting King was an easily exploitable gimmick, Zoro wouldn't need Haoshoku coating.
• The other special traits of the Right Hands weren't exploitable.
  • Katakuri's future sight couldn't be easily exploited.
  • Marco's regeneration can't be easily exploited.

There's no reason for King to be the odd one out.

Gotta wait and see. Zoro did already notice something being up with the flame on King's back. It'll be revealed in the next couple weeks anyways.

. Marco's flames already failed to counter King's flames (even when Marco used his best defensive technique):

How do you come to that conclusion ?
Marco blocked that punch without it breaching his defense and that was a Marco on 1% stamina.

Marco countered King's attacks already here

It's just that King was very casual until his mask was cracked:

Only because King wasn't furious before doesn't mean he didn't try to fight seriously though. Considering his personality he takes every fight serious, unlike Queen who plays around.

All of Marco's feats against King ere against a very casual King that was fucking around. That version of King was equally matched against Zoro. Once Zoro cracked his mask though, King started taking things more seriously and began overwhelming Zoro.

King "defeated" Rooftop Zoro in Base and Zoan form, Marco has literally fought both of those variants several times and for a much longer time. He simply performed better than rooftop Zoro.

- King uses his Katana against Marco and Zoro
- King uses his Zoan form against Marco and Zoro
- King uses his fire projectiles against Marco and Zoro as well.

And have I mentioned that in some of these moments Marco also had to deal with Queen.

Both literally fought the same guy with the same set off abilities and one simply performed better than the other.

Adv CoC Zoro > King~Marco > Rooftop Zoro
We already know how big of a difference Adv CoC makes. It's the PU sending Zoro off from peak commander level to Top Tier.

 

[Cross_Marian]

when yamato and luffy could coat their attacks with conquerors as well
it was referred to as adv coc in the fandom
its just a semantics argument
conquerors coating would be more precise .

Post automatically merged: Nov 26, 2021

for a fandom who hates the comparisons to sanji
you guys do a great job of mocking him anytime zoro looks great .....

We’re just joking lmao

 

[Paperchampion23]

Remember when half the forum told me Zoro vs King wasn't going to happen and it would be a bad idea? I remember, funny how the tune changes after seeing exactly why I wanted that fight

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oda plotting something

Spoiler

Maybe the king absorbs Kazenbo and I wonder how Yamato will react to Zoro.

Looks like he'll have them meet eventually

 

[Shasha23]

A group of wrong people being wrong does not bolster your argument. Zoro literally just awakened CoC less than 30 chapters ago. He just, for the first time, consciously used it. In the story, about 2 or so hours have passed, maybe less, between the events. He does not have the advanced form of something that he didn’t even know he had a handful of minutes earlier. This is no different than when the famous saw Luffy had ACoA and said Zoro had it, or when Luffy gained FS and they said Sanji had it. Stop with the fanboy stuff.

yeah, doesn’t sound like it, unfortunately.

Oda made it pretty clear that the only reason Oden was able to leave a scar on Kaido was because of advCoC, so doesn't that mean Zoro leaving a scar on Kaido is the same thing?
Then doesn't that mean Zoro is now using advCoC willingly unlike before?