Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1034 Spoilers Discussion

[Blother Fertitta]

King and Queen are comparable to Katakuri, but Jack and the Tobi Roppo are all weaker than their counterparts. Cracker would beat Jack, Pero would annihilate any Tobi Roppo. Honestly I feel oven compote or daifuku would beat any Tobi Roppo as well. I also think the enraged army is far more impressive than the beast pirates Numbers and headliners.

Do you see Cracker taking on an army of Sulong them fighting the Dukes one on one?

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Not in a million years, but I gotta put a modicum of respect on their names. Especially Snack/Smoothie, since Oda singled them out as Sweet Commanders and Urouge's victory was seen as a big upset. Compote gets a token point for being introduced alongside the Veterans of the crew.

Would you put compote above Oven/Daifuku?
Honestly I ain’t even rmmbr her speak

 

[ConquistadoR]

Ahh that’s who I was missing
Oven got flatten by fuckn Bege
Daifuku entire fleet got laughed at by Sulong Carrot
I don’t think we can really downplay BP Vets
Big Mom needed to personally take out Ulti and P1
Sasaki was no joke cuz Franky ain’t no slouch
And Black Marias bounty and tricks spoke for themselves

Oven got trashed around admittedly XD.
Daifuku idts. He did get embarassed by Sulong Carrot but he also sent Sanji flying once in a direct clash. He's pretty strong imo.

I don't rate Black Maria and Sasaki that highly though. Ulti yeah, she's strong probably the third strongest after Drake, WsW.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Would you put compote above Oven/Daifuku?
Honestly I ain’t even rmmbr her speak

Nah, she gets grouped with them but as the lowest rung due to Oda not wanting to waste ink on her. I'd do the same with Smoothie if her bounty didn't exceed Cracker's & Oda didn't have a long running trope of introducing stronger characters later on.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Do you see Cracker taking on an army of Sulong them fighting the Dukes one on one?

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Would you put compote above Oven/Daifuku?
Honestly I ain’t even rmmbr her speak

Yeah I think each Biscuit soldier is stronger than the average Sulong so in a war between the two Cracker can do it

 

[ConquistadoR]

Do you see Cracker taking on an army of Sulong them fighting the Dukes one on one?

He can tbh, he might win it. His devil fruit is perfectly suited for crowd control - he can create an army of Biscuit Solidiers himself.

I do think he's stronger than Jack though, but not by much - since he's a literal glasscannon once he's brought outside.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Oven got trashed around admittedly XD.
Daifuku idts. He did get embarassed by Sulong Carrot but he also sent Sanji flying once in a direct clash. He's pretty strong imo.

I don't rate Black Maria and Sasaki that highly though. Ulti yeah, she's strong probably the third strongest after Drake, WsW.

Yeah but Sanji goes on to block and parry Daifuku later on no problem. Besides, his entire fighting style revolves on a proxy doing the work for him, giving his actual body zero feats. IMO that's a major draw back.

 

[Albino 👑]

Only if you don't read the manga properly

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Peros still almost beat a nekomamushi in the same state jack fought inu. Carrot and wanda don't really change that

Jack needed to jump inu and was struggling to put him down. Even in hybrid form inu was tossing him around just as easy as ever

Both jack and peros were able to outlast the duked sulong formd almost winning if they weren't turned back. With the panels of inu and neko turning sulong and jack and peros also being another mirroring

With even the ending of the flights mirroring eachother

 

[vikas]

Oven got trashed around admittedly XD.

This was such a disappointment man....oven was frying up everyone and then oda does such a dirty thing to him... he stands infront of ship for no reason

 

[ConquistadoR]

Peros still almost beat a nekomamushi in the same state jack fought inu. Carrot and wanda don't really change that

Jack needed to jump inu and was struggling to put him down. Even in hybrid form inu was tossing him around just as easy as ever

Both jack and peros were able to outlast the duked sulong formd almost winning if they weren't turned back. With the panels of inu and neko turning sulong and jack and peros also being another mirroring

With even the ending of the flights mirroring eachother

Inu and Neko were severely injured. Jack was injured as well but lesser than them.

Perospero wasn't.

 

[zzShinichi]

I put King,Queen,Jack above Kata/Smoothie/Cracker individually but I think in an all out war between the 2 pirates crews, I'd put my money on the BM pirates. They are far more organized and their hax abilities compliment eachother well.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Oven got trashed around admittedly XD.
Daifuku idts. He did get embarassed by Sulong Carrot but he also sent Sanji flying once in a direct clash. He's pretty strong imo.

I don't rate Black Maria and Sasaki that highly though. Ulti yeah, she's strong probably the third strongest after Drake, WsW.

I mean WCI Sanji wasn’t really impressive. Prolly weaker than Daifuku so I didn’t really consider that clash anything special

 

[JoNdule]

Honestly yeah
When it comes to staight up swordsmanship it probably goes shiryu > smoothie > cracker as for the top 3
With their swords seemingly a major part of their arsenal while most the beast pirates king included dont seem to take it very seriously

Shiryu> Vista > Smoothie > Cracker>>>>King/Queen in Swordmanship

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Nah, she gets grouped with them but as the lowest rung due to Oda not wanting to waste ink on her. I'd do the same with Smoothie if her bounty didn't exceed Cracker's & Oda didn't have a long running trope of introducing stronger characters later on.

Damn I forget Smoothie only had 900m
Honestly that’s enough reason to put Jack above her

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Damn I forget Smoothie only had 900m
Honestly that’s enough reason to put Jack above her

If Jack had feats, easy yes. I can't put Jack above Cracker cause he's utterly lacking despite having that sweet sweet 1B bounty hype

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Yeah I think each Biscuit soldier is stronger than the average Sulong so in a war between the two Cracker can do it

Fair enough
I think Jack is overly downplayed on this forum

 

[ConquistadoR]

Shiryu> Vista > Smoothie > Cracker>>>>King/Queen in Swordmanship

Vista, Smoothie and Queen can't even coat their swords with Koka.

Get your head checked lol.

 

[Straight From Laughtale]

If I were a betting boy, I'd say it's ACoA infusion into flames, much akin to how Zoro infuses emissions into flying slashes.

Just think black flames will go well with his epithet.

can you explain me the diff. B/w ad. and normal CoA... like if ur free lol

 

[Ask D question]

I mean WCI Sanji wasn’t really impressive. Prolly weaker than Daifuku so I didn’t really consider that clash anything special

Come on man, he off screened daifuku's genie without getting any damage,

 

[Blother Fertitta]

If Jack had feats, easy yes. I can't put Jack above Cracker cause he's utterly lacking despite having that sweet sweet 1B bounty hype

Nahhh Jack has more than enough feats
He’s still alive after fighting Minks 5 days, defeating them (there’s no fair game in piracy) so he won the moment he used Gas, then goes on to face A former Fleet Admiral, Current Admiral, and VA, then comes back to face Zunisha, then still comes back to Wano in one piece
Then in the raid he took an army of Sulong minks
Jacks durability is insane
He did all that with a Elephant Zoan wtf

 

[JoNdule]

Not to mention what Shimotsuki Kozaburo said last chapter, a swordsman is one who masters a swords personality and bends it to his will.

That's also why Mihawk ,zoro and ryuma will have black blades while Roger won't coz he doesn't care about swords much

Smoothie being a better swordsman doesn't really mean she's stronger than king just that her swordsmanship is more integral to her fighting style
If shes better than cracker who is seemingly a proud swordsman than yeah its pretty likely

Tho i guess it depends on how much stock is put into a swordsman using a meito or not. Cause lots of the characters that are arguably shaky as to whether or not they are a swordsman seemingly purposely dont use them

At the same time king someone we know doesn't identify as one might have 1. So i guess it depends on case to case
And smoothie herself might even fight in a similar way were she might not even rely on her sword that much either but her long leg martial arts and devil fruit abilities so ? We know shes at least capable of flying slashes tho

these guys think a dude who doesn't even take Swordmanship seriously is better than someone who uses mainly her sword