Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

[Albino 👑]

Complaining About People trolling "X" character every chapter.

Brings Zoro every time in his discussions
You are doing all alone.

Honestly i don't really understand what you're sayin no offense...

And i ain't trolling zoro just the thought of people being more ok with zoro surpassing them then luffy

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Kaido doesn't seem to be from Mihawk/Shanks' generation, but more from the generation in between Mihawk/Shanks and Whitebeard/Big Mom and co. He was an apprentice 38 years ago when Shanks was an apprentice 24years ago, so 14years old difference and Shanks himself was already a yonko 6years ago

Oda " kaido is same generation as Shanks"
Bogard " kaido doesnt seem same gernation as shanks but inbetween "
Bruh stop trying to make Kaido be someone so powerful as currently , he wasn't even Yonko back then, not great pirate. BM peaked before Kaido! Same way WB peaked before BM.

I guess Admirals aren't from Shanks generation too they are currently in 50s.

Kaido is from Shanks generation
Meaning his age and piracy fame falls with other Mid gen. Even tho he started 38 years ago.

 

[Jackteo]

It would have been awesome if Avalo Pizarro had been one of Kaido's top underling before Jack

 

[ShadyOjiro]

My view on mihawk is that hes a top tier comparable to the admirals and yonko

Beating a top tier is more than impressive but theres no point in beating more than one. Like if luffy solos kaido fair and square theres no point in him soloing another one. Like theres no point in luffy fighting another 1yc

Zoro this arc will at the very least prove himself against kyoshiro and king atleast and theres no point in him fighting people that level after wano. Because he and his enemies will only get stronger

Ok that's better .

So you expect that Rayleigh -Oden like enemies ( in lvl) will appear to face Zoro previous Mihawk then?

If do then awesome.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Zorofans made fun of @Jo_Ndule for hyping oden lol
Even called me out for hyping him to much

Well then it sucks because the more hyped Oden is
The better Zoro will look

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Even Sengoku said "Today they (BM and Kaido) are on A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL"

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Ye wtf after 9 days of fighting vs Aokiji, Akainu became >>>>>>>>>>> OP verse but Kaido suiciding for fun (probably every day in 20 years lol ) " yea there is no evidence of him getting stronger"

Since when jumping from a cloud makes people stronger?

 

[Erkan12]

Kaido lost 7 times until he reaches his prime.

Is there anyone who believes he stopped losing 20 years ago?

 

[Albino 👑]

Well then it sucks because the more hyped Oden is
The better Zoro will look

I know and thats what i was sayin lol

 

[ShadyOjiro]

He will be the strongest swordsman alive in wano, but still not as strong as oden who fought equally against kaido or the likes of ray and mihawk.
Give him time to grow, he'll be very close after wano, but if he is already stronger than them then it's like he's the strongest in the verse.

Neat but just for curiosity.

Scarring Kaido same as Oden what proves if happens?

That at least in one aspect he would be close to Oden?or what?

 

[Worst]

Since when jumping from a cloud makes people stronger?

Who else in OP jumps from 10km trying to die for "fun" ? Also attacking Navy and Yonkos is a thing that helps (an maybe the 40 death sentence)

 

[OEKaneki]

What exactly is the narrative that Kaido grew significantly stronger over the 20 years based on?!?!

• Kaido did not appear to grow over the 5 years Oden spent dancing.
• We have not been told Kaido was not a Yonkou back then.
• We have not been told Kaidou grew stronger since then. We've only been told that he grew stronger since his Rocks days, but that's around two years before his battle with Oden.

The scabbards mentioned that they are stronger, we've been told Kaido is stronger than his Rocks days, so when characters grow stronger Oda tells us. Yet he didn't say anything about Kaido being stronger? On the contrary, Kaido becoming significantly stronger doesn't actually fit thematically. A huge point has been made about how no one could take Kaido's head in the 20 years since Oden's death, how only Enma has scarred Kaido, how only Oden could beat Kaido. None of that makes any sense if Kaido back then is significantly weaker. It makes no sense to hype up Enma and Oden if Oden fought an inferior Kaido. The narrative is not one of Kaido being this newly emergent threat, but of Kaido being a tyrant that has terrorised Wano for decades.

There is no narrative reason for current Kaido to be significantly stronger than 20 years ago, and it runs contrary to the narrative that Oda has set up. The only reason to insist that flashback Kaido is substantially inferior to his present self is to preserve some preferred powerscaling; well I've got news for you — Oda doesn't care about powerscaling — if you want to argue that current Kaido is stronger, then make narrative arguments for it, powerscaling arguments are utterly unconvincing.

Is this a serious question, or are you trolling? I almost don’t even want to entertain the question just out of the sheer hope that it’s the latter and not the former. Because the idea of someone suggesting that there’s zero evidence that Kaido isn’t significantly stronger than he was is mind boggling. You’d have to ignore everything said about Kaido now, everything about the growth of characters displayed in the story over time, to even remotely assert this.

Imagine, if you would, how ridiculous it is to assert that Kaido isn’t significantly stronger than he was 20 years ago, when his then-rival (Moria) lost to a rookie pirate without Haki twenty years later, and then that said pirate becomes leagues stronger than he was during a two year period of training, and further developing his strength afterwards such that he acquires an incredibly rare and powerful ability like future sight and improving his strength such that he can beat a well regarded pirate that’s the chief underling of a Yonko, someone on par with Kaido himself, and Kaido still one shots this guy.

I swear, fanboyism ruins fandoms.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Kaido lost 7 times until he reaches his prime.

Is there anyone who believes he stopped losing 20 years ago?

Exactly it literally says he challenging ypukou and marines his whole life and lived has a prisoner. Why are people acting like he took a 20 year break after fighting Oden?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

As long as Kaido has no 1 vs 1 and WSC hype
That Kaido is weaker, even 10 years ago. Even if he is Yonko 10 years ago, his individual hype currenlry gotta be there too then we can say this Kaido is strong as 10/15 years ago.

We know Kaido has that hype of his for 5/6 years now.
(Ace Novel )

Something big probably happened 6 years ago...
Kaido became 1 vs 1 king
Shanks became Emperor
BM wanted elbaf to win against her rivals.
WB probably became sick around this time too.

I firmly believe Kaido became Emperor between 20-12 years ago. And BM became one 20 years ago
(The sketch Oda did , 48 y.o BM is when she gets Napoleon)

 

[ShadyOjiro]

I guess 2 chapters for the end of the Flashback ?

Oden death and Toki prophecy.

 

[OEKaneki]

There is no indication Kaido grew any stronger

- Kaido, and Big Mom(with young Whitebeard) were only mentioned to have grown stronger since their days of the Rocks, but there were no indication of when they actually peaked

- We know though that Kaido was in the Rocks 38 years ago, formed his crew 33 years ago, and fought Oden 20years ago. That means he had 18years to grow stronger before facing Oden+experience of fighting in the world strongest crew of the past

- In this batch of spoilers, it mentions that 25years ago, Kaido was trying to avoid being military overwhelmed by Wano forces(mainly Oden+Hyogoro forces), which implies it was the main difference in the 5 timegap instead of individual strength, and military force plays a huge role in the quest to become a yonko, and thus may have more being a reason in Kaido's time to rise to yonko than his individual strength

- Big Mom(who was mentioned to have a cat and mouse relationship with Kaido) was mentioned to have been an unchallenged yonko for decades(so at least 20years) with herself only last meeting Kaido in decades(so 20years at least)

So sure, maybe current Kaido is stronger than 20years ago Kaido, but so far there is no indication of that

Not you too. This must be a group troll lol

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Is this a serious question, or are you trolling? I almost don’t even want to entertain the question usf out of the sheer hope that it’s the latter and not the former. Because the idea of someone suggesting that there’s zero evidence that Kaido isn’t significantly stronger than he was is mind boggling. You’d have to ignore everything said about Kaido now, everything about the growth of characters displayed in the story over time, to even remotely assert this.

Imagine, if you would, how ridiculous it is to assert that Kaido isn’t significantly stronger than he was 20 years ago, when his then-rival (Moria) lost to a rookie pirate without Haki twenty years later, and then that said pirate becomes leagues stronger than he was during a two year period of training, and further developing his strength afterwards such that he acquires an incredibly rare and powerful ability like future sight and improving his strength such that he can beat a well regarded pirate that’s the chief underling of a Yonko, someone on par with Kaido himself, and Kaido still one shots this guy.

I swear, fanboyism ruins fandoms.

Remember Ashura Dukes can grow a lot in 20 years
Oden can grow a lot in 10 years
Luffy can grow a lot

But nah, Kaido stopped growing coz well he stopped
As if Kaido is a warlord like Moriah to stop growing.

If Kaido is slightly above his 20 years verison then
Oda has officially placed current top tiers all below Oden and Kaido

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Who else in OP jumps from 10km trying to die for "fun" ? Also attacking Navy and Yonkos is a thing that helps (an maybe the 40 death sentence)

Someone that has scales that can't even be penetrated with normal haki?

 

[kurwa]

Who else in OP jumps from 10km trying to die for "fun" ? Also attacking Navy and Yonkos is a thing that helps (an maybe the 40 death sentence)

If he really wanted to die, he would have jumped to the ocean
So that just makes him look like even more of a fraud

 

[Lifeismeh]

Moria was yonko lvl since current Kaido is equal to FB Kaido lmao

imagine having the third biggest bounty in the entire manga to only be weaker than Oden lmao

 

[KINGKONGGUN15]

is it weird that im starting to relate kaido to luffy in which he has lost many times before and has even fight from time to time, until he reached the top and started winning against everyone