Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

[Jo_Ndule]

I'm only stating facts. Whether Kaido became stronger or not during the last 20years so far is baseless since it's not mentioned anywhere in the manga

Everyone has a peak of strength, and when he reaches that peak of strength, he stops growing, and with age, and sickness, he can even grow weaker. We just don't know when Kaido reached his peak of strength yet

And considering Kaido is from a older generation than Shanks who was already a yonko 6years ago, it makes it debatable

Baseless in OP!
In OP, You stop growing when you lose ambition/retire/get sick/grow old. There is no limit if you aren't so old nor retired or sick

When Sengoku says currently kaido is way stronger since his rookie days
It means he is stronger than he was 10 20 30 years ago. There is no mention of Kaido stagnating.

We know Kaido isn't Yonko anyway here, unless you bring where Kaido is named Yonko 20 years ago. Or had WSC and 1 vs 1 hype.

his generation is same with admirals... mid gen

We Know this Kaido doesn't like dying! Doesn't seek fair fights! Doesn't have his WSC and 1 vs 1 hype.
He isn't even brought up as near invincible yet!

 

[Red Admiral]

He's strong but some people want to put him to rayleigh's level, he's not up there. Definitely not.

oda didn't give a fuck about him in his own story

why should we?

 

[Bullet]

I actually feel bad for him every fight he had he took an L

 

[Jo_Ndule]

is it weird that im starting to relate kaido to luffy in which he has lost many times before and has even fight from time to time, until he reached the top and started winning against everyone

Kaido cant grow after many battles , cant growing 20 years

Didn't you hear Sengoku said Kaido 20 years ago is stronger than his rookie days and he stopped growing.
Sengoku was hyping Kaido back then not current Kaido

 

[Ryuarashi]

who sleeps on kaidou just wait the raid on onigashiema when they flip over .
oda hyped Oden on kaidou cuz Oden is done for the rest of the series but kaidou no he didn't begin with him yet

lol, don't get your hopes up too much .Kaido will be done soon, by now Oda has already planned how he's gonna have Luffy and co defeat Kaido then its unto Elbaf or Shanks.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Teach is lucky that Yonko level Moriah wasn't in shape

 

[Sade]

Kaido cant grow after many battles , cant growing 20 years

Didn't you hear Sengoku said Kaido 20 years ago is stronger than his rookie days and he stopped growing.
Sengoku was hyping Kaido back then not current Kaido

Sengoku was talking about Rookie Kaido 38 years ago.

At the end We can't say that He is stronger or weaker, makes more sense that He became more stronger, but remember Shanks was a Yonko at 33 yo.

 

[Erkan12]

I actually feel bad for him every fight he had he took an L

 

[Shiroyru]

I'm only stating facts. Whether Kaido became stronger or not during the last 20years so far is baseless since it's not mentioned anywhere in the manga

Everyone has a peak of strength, and when he reaches that peak of strength, he stops growing, and with age, and sickness, he can even grow weaker. We just don't know when Kaido reached his peak of strength yet

And considering Kaido is from a older generation than Shanks who was already a yonko 6years ago, it makes it debatable

Only 3 years ago Kaido was fighting against Moriah.
Rayleigh dropped from Yonko level to only low top tier despite not training at all for 25 years and growing old. Do you really think that Moriah went from low-mid top tier to Tamago level because he stopped training for 23 years?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Marco is also not from Shanks gen
Marco/katakuri were rookies 33 years ago.

So Marco/Katakuri peaked 20 years ago and stopped growing since then.

Apparently if you start piracy 30+ years ago, you can't grow anymore acted 20/18 years of piracy

:sleep:

 

[Lifeismeh]

Moria is legit insane and give no shit about the strength of his opponent lol

I thought he was just a clown and his over confidence was out of place, but I think he legit was a beast lol

Prime moria probably was stronger than Kuma lol

 

[Erkan12]

Base Teach - Apprentice 38 years before Kaido - Pre-Yonko Shanks - Moria

Yami Teach - 20 years before Kaido - Pre-Yonko Shanks - Mihawk

Yonko Teach - Current Kaido - Yonko Shanks

Something like that.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Only 3 years ago Kaido was fighting against Moriah.
Rayleigh dropped from Yonko level to only low top tier despite not training at all for 25 years and growing old. Do you really think that Moriah went from low-mid top tier to Tamago level because he stopped training for 23 years?

He wont explain it

Rayleigh only dropped a tier down in 20 years of inactivity
But Moriah who gave Kaido(= current kaido) went from Low top tier to below Vets in 23 years
Moriah was still active tho! A warlord

Unlike Ray, Moriah didnt retire

But Hey

 

[nik87]

No hybrid form, fought the battle with a heavy wound from the start. Kaido doesnt look that bad.
Still, Oden looks far better than what I expected. He probably wasnt far from Roger and Rayleigh back then.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Sengoku was talking about Rookie Kaido 38 years ago.

At the end We can't say that He is stronger or weaker, makes more sense that He became more stronger, but remember Shanks was a Yonko at 33 yo.

Shanks being Yonko at 33 =/= doesnt have to do with kaido
At 30s WB was not even admiral level or solid low top tiers! At 44 WB isn't Great Pirate still!
At 30s BM too wasn't even Great pirate.
At 30s Teach wasnt even Top tier till 2 years ago, then Yonko a year later

Each person have their own time they became Great Pirate/Yonko level!

Sengoku was hyping current Kaido to be much stronger than he was 38 years ago
No where hs stopped growing no where he was even Yonko 20 years ago. Probably became Yonko after Oden battle if I can wish.

But anyway, IT DIDNT TAKE ONLY 18 YEARS FOR KAIDO TO BE WSC/1 VS 1 KING
he isnt that old nor sick to stop growing 20 years ago.
It took 38 years to have this current Kaido!
Took 33/4 years for Kaido to have his WSC hype (ace novel)

 

[comrade]

Only 3 years ago Kaido was fighting against Moriah.
Rayleigh dropped from Yonko level to only low top tier despite not training at all for 25 years and growing old. Do you really think that Moriah went from low-mid top tier to Tamago level because he stopped training for 23 years?

It's plot most likely. IIRC, the vivre card confirmed that Crocodile can use Haki. Even Lucci can. Yet Crocodile lost to base Luffy. Unable to use Haki at all, lol.

 

[OEKaneki]

I'm only stating facts. Whether Kaido became stronger or not during the last 20years so far is baseless since it's not mentioned anywhere in the manga

Everyone has a peak of strength, and when he reaches that peak of strength, he stops growing, and with age, and sickness, he can even grow weaker. We just don't know when Kaido reached his peak of strength yet

And considering Kaido is from a older generation than Shanks who was already a yonko 6years ago, it makes it debatable

What facts are you stating, and how is the assertion that Kaido didn’t get any stronger baseless?

Explain how it’s baseless, please, when every other character has been shown to progress over time. From how Whitebeard went from an executive under another pirate to the World’s Strongest Man in less time than between Kaido vs Oden to now? Or how Roger and Garp teamed to beat Xebec but then later went to be on a level only reached by then and WB? Or how Shanks, during the same time period went from being an apprentice on a ship to being somebody on Whitebeard’s and Kaido’s level. Or how Teach goes from being an apprentice on WB’s ship to being a Yonko? Or how Luffy, in one tenth of the time, goes from being an ant on the world scale, to being a mere step away from being on Kaido’s level?

You’re not stating a fact, you’re stating a fallacy: that despite the overwhelming evidence in the story that nobody is stagnant, that Kaido would be the one person that remained so over the entire course of his history.

This goes without mentioning, by the way, the one indisputable shred of evidence that Kaido has not remained such, and it’s not even his title, it’s Moria.

 

[Rivaille]

It's plot most likely. IIRC, the vivre card confirmed that Crocodile can use Haki. Even Lucci can. Yet Crocodile lost to base Luffy. Unable to use Haki at all, lol.

The VC never said that Crocodile can use haki

 

[Jackteo]

No hybrid form, fought the battle with a heavy wound from the start. Kaido doesnt look that bad.
Still, Oden looks far better than what I expected. He probably wasnt far from Roger and Rayleigh back then.

I agree but i think we still need to wait for the full chapter

 

[MarineHQ]

So can we be 100% sure that Oden is no more after 971?