Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion

[ardym]

for years yonko fans have said admirals = yc1's even
now they get a taste and they are pulling out excuses too. funny. we just had fuji take on sabo and other commanders with some injuries too and he got clowned. lmao
yall get no sympathy. I can bet when admirals are taken down, luffy and co will be a lot stronger . no biggie
admiral bois we chillin rn
just vibing atm

enjoying this big dub

well for sure Admiral and Yonko are on the catagorie but there are some stronger than others. Kaido for example might be stronger than fujitora , so is BM , but still think Shanks is the strongest while BB might have more power because of is two hax DF but he is just a coward. he didn't fight fights when he is not sure to win. that is why he didn't fight any yonko yet.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

well for sure Admiral and Yonko are on the catagorie but there are some stronger than others. Kaido for example might be stronger than fujitora , so is BM , but still think Shanks is the strongest while BB might have more power because of is two hax DF but he is just a coward. he didn't fight fights when he is not sure to win. that is why he didn't fight any yonko yet.

kaido is the strongest yonko still
imo

 

[ardym]

exactly so the hype does nothing at this point. it is inevitable.

the hype is only there to hype Luffy after the arc. and make the WG regret not helping Doffy :D lol and Fujitora is gonna be hated by the old greezers

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You might not even see an admiral beating any Emperor 1 vs 1

Careful, I might make you delete that account again

 

[Worst]

you mean it is Yasuie? i was deceived by the hat :D

Ye Kaido is lucky Yasu didn't joined the battle or instead of a scar he would be headless.....in fact Yasu will boil Oden cuz he's disappointed by him....

 

[Eustass]

It was Moriah who declined in strength, not Kaido who got stronger lol. Bogard has already explained why Kaido hasn’t grown in power since he was defeated by a YC2.

What proof did Bogard state? The dude doesn't even say that, he says that it's a possibility.

And his post got rebutted in a second

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Why would I jumped on Kaido damage control?
I wanked Oden? I was just stating where Oden ranks.

Also Stop dreaming about admirals
This is Pirate manga where pirates are stronger than Navy

You might not even see an admiral beating any Emperor 1 vs 1
They never win 1 vs 1 against any great pirate
Only as team or gang vs 1.

Luffy beating kaido just means he will easily handle any top tier not named EoS Teach.
You dont get it. This is similar to afyer luffy beat Katakuri, he wont struggle against any commander anymore. He will handle them easily

No Admiral is placed above Emperors , never above Kaido
No current Emperor is placed above Kaido
Only EoS Teach is greater obstacle than Kaido,
I forgot Imu, if Imu is final villain then Akainu and admirals will not matter much

I aint stopping anything
I saw king one shot a yonko . atm I dont need to see an admiral do it.

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kizaru this
mihawk that
king one shot big mom and she lost her memory
queen knocked her out and put her in cuffs
kaido got scarred by oden casually
stfu lmao

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I aint stopping anything
I saw king one shot a yonko . atm I dont need to see an admiral do it.

Go sleep
Now I think you are just playing

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

the hype is only there to hype Luffy after the arc. and make the WG regret not helping Doffy :D lol and Fujitora is gonna be hated by the old greezers

you get it lol
same with kat. they hype them up to hype luffy at the end.

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Go sleep
Now I think you are just playing

no I aint
you make those comments about other characters . I aint stopping
you dont read it or you piss off.

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keep the same energy.

 

[ardym]

kaido is the strongest yonko still
imo

if he was he will not be defeated first. he and BM are equals and are for the weakest. that is the reason why they will be defeated together. we already know that Luffy defeated always stronger opponents than before. and he is now taking on two together even if he has much help , it doesn't change the fact that they must be weaker .

 

[OEKaneki]

I didn't say he didn't get any stronger. I said there is no proof so far he did, there is a difference. I took the neutral route to explain how Oda can easily explain that current Kaido is just as strong as 20years ago Kaido to show that it's possible he didn't get any stronger in that timespan, but i didn't dismiss the possibility he did. I just left that window open

This is simply not true. There is proof, and it was shown. I included it, but you didn’t acknowledge it. Moria is ironclad proof that he got stronger.

Whitebeard grew in the timespan from his younger self until he reached his peak of strength while fighting Roger, but Roger died 24 years ago, and there were no indication, Whitebeard grew stronger after that. Now if you want to believe Whitebeard became stronger than Roger after his death, be my guest, but i don't think the manga portrayed it that way, with his MF self even portrayed to be weaker due to old age and sickness

Similarly, Shanks grew from apprentice in Roger's crew(24years ago) to become a world renowned pirate, then confirmed to have gained yonko influential power 6years ago, and thus no indication at least that current Shanks is any stronger than 6 years ago Shanks since he was still in statut-quo with the rest of the yonko for that long

And Kaido isn't any different. As mentioned before, he grew from apprentice in the Rocks(38years ago) to becoming a world renowned pirate, then gaining yonko influential power at an unknown period at this point, but considering that Shanks became a yonko 6years ago, we know at least that current Kaido isn't any stronger than 6years ago Kaido, and considering there is a 14years difference between the time Kaido and Shanks were apprentice in their respective crew(38 - 24 = 14), it gives an even greater timespan where Kaido could possibly have reached his peak. It's just that we don't know when he did yet

With what evidence are you able to make the distinction that the very moment Shanks earned the title of a Yonko he stopped growing stronger? Is Teach too a victim of this? That he magically stopped growing on year ago in story, when he beat Marco? Everybody in the story has shown propensity to grow over the same time period, but you’re relegating Kaido to stagnant simply just because. Kaido is at his peak now, that doesn’t mean he can’t push himself further. He could have been at his peak 10 years ago, but that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have pushed that peak further along to get to where he is now. We also know that when he was facing Oden, he certainly wasn’t at his peak, as just shortly before Moria was his rival.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

and they will for sure. pretty sure Luffy is gonna defeat Kaido , at the end but they will be executed . cannot see them alive after this arc like the other Luffy's opponents, Zoro already swore to take Revenge for Yasuie , i can see him the one who execute them after their defeat. Zoro can be dark , either he or Law take their heart and give them to Momo to stab them. lol

Agree with everything you said here
Feel like tho
Either Zoro or Kidd will kill kaido
Dont see law doing that

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

This is simply not true. There is proof, and it was shown. I included it, but you didn’t acknowledge. Moria is ironclad proof that he got stronger.

With what evidence are you able to make the distinction that the very moment Shanks earned the title of a Yonko he stopped growing stronger? Is Teach too a victim of this? That he magically stopped growing on year ago in story, when he beat Marco? Everybody in the story has shown propensity to grow over the same time period, but you’re relegating Kaido to stagnant simply just because. Kaido is at his peak now, that doesn’t mean he can’t push himself further. He could have been at his peak 10 years ago, but that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have pushed that peak further along to get to where he is now. We also know that when he was facing Oden, he certainly wasn’t at his peak, as just shortly before Moria was his rival.

I saw people relegating mihawk to not growing after dueling shanks while shanks grew
dont see the problem here unless people want to be consistent.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

you get it lol
same with kat. they hype them up to hype luffy at the end.

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no I aint
you make those comments about other characters . I aint stopping
you dont read it or you piss off.

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keep the same energy.

battle comments
King didnt fight BM... or maybe you are trying to play this game.

Learn sometimes to troll better: learn from Topi or Shuyaku.

When you done
Reminder No current Yonko or admiral nor warlord was said to be above Kaido

You can label me as Yonko fan
Which wont suit me since I am not a Yonko fan.

No admiral has beaten a Yonko level pirate 1 vs 1
Not then or now nor ever.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

battle comments
King didnt fight BM... or maybe you are trying to play this game.

Learn sometimes to troll better: learn from Topi or Shuyaku.

When you done
Reminder No current Yonko or admiral nor warlord was said to be above Kaido

You can label me as Yonko fan
Which wont suit me since I am not a Yonko fan.

No admiral has beaten a Yonko level pirate 1 vs 1
Not then or now nor ever.

dont care
pk himself never beat an admiral by the name of garp. I havent attempted to label you.
you shit on marco , rayleigh, mihawk calling them trash
I am reciprocating your energy. dont like it?
dont start it.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

moriah is ironclad proof that he got stronger

No, moriah got much weaker over time as seen by his lethargy and PTSD. Kaido himself stayed at the same pathetic strength level.

 

[OEKaneki]

I saw people relegating mihawk to not growing after dueling shanks while shanks grew
dont see the problem here unless people want to be consistent.

He probably did, just not as high or at the rate as the person you saw those people comparing him to. No issues with consistency.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

He probably did, just not as high or at the rate as the person you saw those people comparing him to. No issues with consistency.

alright then people can assume the same here
since we get no concrete evidence on how much they grew.lol

 

[OEKaneki]

No, moriah got much weaker over time as seen by his lethargy and PTSD. Kaido himself stayed at the same pathetic strength level.

(y)

 

[Bogard]

So can we be 100% sure that Oden is no more after 971?

With how much Oda seems to like wanking Oden, if he somehow said it was the grandma who died in Oden's place, i'd not be surprised lol

This is simply not true. There is proof, and it was shown. I included it, but you didn’t acknowledge it. Moria is ironclad proof that he got stronger.

With what evidence are you able to make the distinction that the very moment Shanks earned the title of a Yonko he stopped growing stronger? Is Teach too a victim of this? That he magically stopped growing on year ago in story, when he beat Marco? Everybody in the story has shown propensity to grow over the same time period, but you’re relegating Kaido to stagnant simply just because. Kaido is at his peak now, that doesn’t mean he can’t push himself further. He could have been at his peak 10 years ago, but that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have pushed that peak further along to get to where he is now. We also know that when he was facing Oden, he certainly wasn’t at his peak, as just shortly before Moria was his rival.

There is a problem with the Moria argument for few reasons:

- The Moria introduced in the manga had a lazy motto(was literally introduced sleeping with a "do it" perspective), and thus became so lazy over the decades he became a shadow of his former self we saw against Kaido
- Even as a shadow of his former self, his Asgard form(thousand shadows) could split Thriller Bark in half
- Because of the above, Oda can make Prime Moria as strong as the plot demand since not only he was vastly stronger in his prime, but his Asgard form makes him stack multiple levels higher than his base self
- Kaido was still portrayed superior to that Moria

So basically saying that it's possible that Asgard Prime Moria was low top tier himself, with Kaido being a top tier