Spoiler One Piece Chapter 970 Spoilers Discussion
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I didn't say he didn't get any stronger. I said there is no proof so far he did, there is a difference. I took the neutral route to explain how Oda can easily explain that current Kaido is just as strong as 20years ago Kaido to show that it's possible he didn't get any stronger in that timespan, but i didn't dismiss the possibility he did. I just left that window open
Whitebeard grew in the timespan from his younger self until he reached his peak of strength while fighting Roger, but Roger died 24 years ago, and there were no indication, Whitebeard grew stronger after that. Now if you want to believe Whitebeard became stronger than Roger after his death, be my guess, but i don't think the manga portrayed it that way, with his MF self even portrayed to be weaker due to old age and sickness
Similarly, Shanks grew from apprentice in Roger's crew(24years ago) to become a world renowned pirate, then confirmed to have gained yonko influential power 6years ago, and thus no indication at least that current Shanks is any stronger than 6 years ago Shanks since he was still in statut-quo with the rest of the yonko for that long
And Kaido isn't any different. As mentioned before, he grew from apprentice in the Rocks(38years ago) to becoming a world renowned pirate, then gaining yonko influential power at an unknown period at this point, but considering that Shanks became a yonko 6years ago, we know at least that current Kaido isn't any stronger than 6years ago Kaido, and considering there is a 14years difference between the time Kaido and Shanks were apprentice in their respective crew(38 - 24 = 14), it gives an even greater timespan where Kaido could possibly have reached his peak. It's just that we don't know when he did yet
Whitebeard grew in the timespan from his younger self until he reached his peak of strength while fighting Roger, but Roger died 24 years ago, and there were no indication, Whitebeard grew stronger after that. Now if you want to believe Whitebeard became stronger than Roger after his death, be my guess, but i don't think the manga portrayed it that way, with his MF self even portrayed to be weaker due to old age and sickness
Similarly, Shanks grew from apprentice in Roger's crew(24years ago) to become a world renowned pirate, then confirmed to have gained yonko influential power 6years ago, and thus no indication at least that current Shanks is any stronger than 6 years ago Shanks since he was still in statut-quo with the rest of the yonko for that long
And Kaido isn't any different. As mentioned before, he grew from apprentice in the Rocks(38years ago) to becoming a world renowned pirate, then gaining yonko influential power at an unknown period at this point, but considering that Shanks became a yonko 6years ago, we know at least that current Kaido isn't any stronger than 6years ago Kaido, and considering there is a 14years difference between the time Kaido and Shanks were apprentice in their respective crew(38 - 24 = 14), it gives an even greater timespan where Kaido could possibly have reached his peak. It's just that we don't know when he did yet
The power-boost for Kaido will come through him finally using his hybrid form. Inb4 his humanoid form already is kinda his hybrid form. Because why would he risk being beaten but still not using it. On the other hand, Jack also remained in base against the minks for 5 days for all we know, also not caring to turn hybrid against Shutenmaru while going toe to toe with him while having a cut chest.
This is Oda saving it up for the final battle.
This is Oda saving it up for the final battle.
There is no indication Kaido grew any stronger
- Kaido, and Big Mom(with young Whitebeard) were only mentioned to have grown stronger since their days of the Rocks, but there were no indication of when they actually peaked
- We know though that Kaido was in the Rocks 38 years ago, formed his crew 33 years ago, and fought Oden 20years ago. That means he had 18years to grow stronger before facing Oden+experience of fighting in the world strongest crew of the past
- In this batch of spoilers, it mentions that 25years ago, Kaido was trying to avoid being military overwhelmed by Wano forces(mainly Oden+Hyogoro forces), which implies it was the main difference in the 5 timegap instead of individual strength, and military force plays a huge role in the quest to become a yonko, and thus may have more being a reason in Kaido's time to rise to yonko than his individual strength
- Big Mom(who was mentioned to have a cat and mouse relationship with Kaido) was mentioned to have been an unchallenged yonko for decades(so at least 20years) with herself only last meeting Kaido in decades(so 20years at least)
So sure, maybe current Kaido is stronger than 20years ago Kaido, but so far there is no indication of that
- Kaido, and Big Mom(with young Whitebeard) were only mentioned to have grown stronger since their days of the Rocks, but there were no indication of when they actually peaked
- We know though that Kaido was in the Rocks 38 years ago, formed his crew 33 years ago, and fought Oden 20years ago. That means he had 18years to grow stronger before facing Oden+experience of fighting in the world strongest crew of the past
- In this batch of spoilers, it mentions that 25years ago, Kaido was trying to avoid being military overwhelmed by Wano forces(mainly Oden+Hyogoro forces), which implies it was the main difference in the 5 timegap instead of individual strength, and military force plays a huge role in the quest to become a yonko, and thus may have more being a reason in Kaido's time to rise to yonko than his individual strength
- Big Mom(who was mentioned to have a cat and mouse relationship with Kaido) was mentioned to have been an unchallenged yonko for decades(so at least 20years) with herself only last meeting Kaido in decades(so 20years at least)
So sure, maybe current Kaido is stronger than 20years ago Kaido, but so far there is no indication of that
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its albino
its expected at this point.
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and they will for sure. pretty sure Luffy is gonna defeat Kaido , at the end but they will be executed . cannot see them alive after this arc like the other Luffy's opponents, Zoro already swore to take Revenge for Yasuie , i can see him the one who execute them after their defeat. Zoro can be dark , either he or Law take their heart and give them to Momo to stab them. lol
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Kaidou: Yes that’s right...*Worororo* Everything was a lie. At the time we concluded that we were at a disadvantage. You returned to Wano, so if per chance you joined hands with Hyougoro...all of Wano’s Samurai & chivalrous folk would have been our enemies. So it’d have most likely been a tough battle for us that were short on man power at the time.
still wondering where did Kaido admits he will lose here?
The only thing he said is that they realised they were at disadvantage of manpower, especially if Oden joined hands with Hyougoro and every samurai that the battle will be difficult/tough.
> firstly it started with "Oden was beating Kaido "
correct info : Both were even
> "Kaido admitted he will lose surely"
correct info : admitting only disadvantage and battle will be tough (not that he will lose)
> Kaido used hybrid
Correct info :no hybrid
The only thing bad here is Kaido Winning via distraction
I dont care if he ordered the old hag to do that trick or that old hag did it by her own will.
Oden is hyped, Kaido didnt look that bad since he matched Oden. Also Oden looks way damaged (bandaged as hell )
Both Kaidon wankers and Oden wankers can rejoice
About CoC
I wonder if their CoC affected the sky or shook seas/island ?
If not then it just shows that Oden and Kaido were not Great Pirate level. Or one was Above the other totally
Like how WB and Oden CoC clash only blew people away but no cloud splitting coz WB was above Oden and both were not Great Pirate level.
CoC is only amazing as strong as you are
If you are Yonko, you will split the sky
We saw BM v Kaido/ WB v Shanks /Roger v WB haki clash affect the skies and seas.
This should just show that Kaido isnt same as now.
still wondering where did Kaido admits he will lose here?
The only thing he said is that they realised they were at disadvantage of manpower, especially if Oden joined hands with Hyougoro and every samurai that the battle will be difficult/tough.
> firstly it started with "Oden was beating Kaido "
correct info : Both were even
> "Kaido admitted he will lose surely"
correct info : admitting only disadvantage and battle will be tough (not that he will lose)
> Kaido used hybrid
Correct info :no hybrid
The only thing bad here is Kaido Winning via distraction
I dont care if he ordered the old hag to do that trick or that old hag did it by her own will.
Oden is hyped, Kaido didnt look that bad since he matched Oden. Also Oden looks way damaged (bandaged as hell )
Both Kaidon wankers and Oden wankers can rejoice
About CoC
I wonder if their CoC affected the sky or shook seas/island ?
If not then it just shows that Oden and Kaido were not Great Pirate level. Or one was Above the other totally
Like how WB and Oden CoC clash only blew people away but no cloud splitting coz WB was above Oden and both were not Great Pirate level.
CoC is only amazing as strong as you are
If you are Yonko, you will split the sky
We saw BM v Kaido/ WB v Shanks /Roger v WB haki clash affect the skies and seas.
This should just show that Kaido isnt same as now.
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