Powers & Abilities Enma is just a training wheel.

[Ena]

Look at this guy above, the is a prime example of a delusional Zoro fanboy. They result to insulting someone when they out of options.
@True God Moe @Jo_Ndule @Grumpy Zoro

rmstorm, moe and ndule
the calamities

 

[Gran D. Master]

From what u are saying improved control over haki = unlocking such advanced CoA u can fuck up Kaido with it...

It's the Zoro fans that are claiming that Zoro mastering Enma will mean he has the same level of Haki as Oden, so if anything that's what your people are saying. What is your stance on this then, what does Zoro taming Enma say about his level of Haki compared to Oden? (the one that fucked up Kaido)

 

[Zowo]

It's the Zoro fans that are claiming that Zoro mastering Enma will mean he has the same level of Haki as Oden, so if anything that's what your people are saying. What is your stance on this then, what does Zoro taming Enma say about his level of Haki compared to Oden? (the one that fucked up Kaido)

zoros haki=odens

 

[Chrono]

Good to know that Oden used both swords to cut Kaido. Enma isnt special at all since it isnt the only sword that cut Kaido and Kaido wont remember it lmao.

 

[Albino 👑]

As I said people were salty with the « instant power up » narrative.

And I disagree. The sword in itself is not a power up, the same way Luffy’s training in Udon is not. Training is training, not a power up. The power up is the result of the training.

To make it simple :
-Udon was Luffy training wheel and his power up is to be able to control « penetration haki »
-Enma is Zoro training wheel and his power up is to have a better control of his haki.

The sword in itself is not a power up because the haki control that Zoro gained by training with it will not disappear if Zoro drop Enma.

I know what you're saying but imo there's no real need to have to be so specific.
Cause whether someone says training or power up when it comes to luffy in udon. We all knew what someone means either way and nobody really cares

Same thing should apply to zoro and emna

Its all just outlets to get strong at a faster rate

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

what does Zoro taming Enma say about his level of Haki compared to Oden

Taming Enma will put Zoro's haki control around Oden's level and so the training will be done

After that the sword no longer does anything out of the ordinary... It will be just a normal sword since being a good swordsman is to prevent the sword from draining his haki and not the the way around...

 

[Gran D. Master]

zoros haki=odens

So what is your stance exactly? You seem to agree with everything @Grumpy Zoro says yet he himself claimed that Enma training isn't a game changer, but you're saying it makes Zoro's haki comparable to the guy's that scarred Kaido...

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

It's the Zoro fans that are claiming that Zoro mastering Enma will mean he has the same level of Haki as Oden, so if anything that's what your people are saying. What is your stance on this then, what does Zoro taming Enma say about his level of Haki compared to Oden? (the one that fucked up Kaido)

I see that version of Oden as top tier almost on the lvl of Yonko... logically Zoro should not make such a big jump in haki but it seems like Luffy will potentially really fuck up Kaido mostly on his own so Zoro somehow having haki on lvl of Oden is possible

But just taming Enma for sure doesn't mean he has the same lvl of haki as Oden... Oden tamed Enma while still in Wano and went on to unlock whole other world while on journey with Wb and roger

Edit: Maybe Zoro will reach that lvl in a extreme diff fight in Wano which would at least be something similar to Luffy in WCI

 

[Gran D. Master]

Taming Enma will put Zoro's haki control around Oden's level and so the training will be done

After that the sword no longer does anything out of the ordinary... It will be just a normal sword since being a good swordsman is to prevent the sword from draining his haki and not the the way around...

His CoA overall or only his haki control?

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But just taming haki for sure doesn't mean he has the same lvl of haki as Oden

That was my point all along

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I know what you're saying but imo there's no real need to have to be so specific.
Cause whether someone says training or power up when it comes to luffy in udon. We all knew what someone means either way and nobody really cares

Same thing should apply to zoro and emna

Its all just outlets to get strong at a faster rate

But this is not what people thought enma was. People literally thought that after Zoro trains, he actually would get weaker if you remove enma.... Like the contingency for how strong Zoro gets is hinged on him being in direct possession of the sword.

Which is the point of the thread. That's now been shown not to be the case... If Zoro gets strong it means he is strong. And can even use other swords to perform that he can perform with Enma

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His CoA overall or only his haki control?

I don't know. Maybe both... if he had little Haki then the sword would drain him instantly despite havig good haki control and if he had a lot of haki and bad haki control then he would still end up getting drained even it took alot of time.

It's not specified really so it could be both or one of them or it wouldn't even matter as long as Oda tells us "Zoro is stronger"

 

[Albino 👑]

Not necessarily. Gramps Hyou had better haki control than Luffy but it didn't imply that he had stronger haki

Yeah not all haki is at the same level become of control

Tho both luffy and zoro are improving and strengthening their haki because they're getting better control of it
So imo on an individual bases training and improving your haki makes it stronger than before but doesn't mean its still as strong as someone elses. Like luffy still likley has weaket coa than wb but dont mean his didn't get stronger

 

[Sade]

This is getting better and better, not even mad, it is amazing.

Shut up HA001 ehmm...I mean Nik87

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

But just taming Enma for sure doesn't mean he has the same lvl of haki as Ode

This isn't really the point of how the story has been set up. What's been set up is that "Zoro will get stronger" and that's all we can read from the Enma training.

What brings up the comparisons to Oden's haki is the turning Enma black. As far we know this has nothing to do with taming Enma so it doesn't fall under the bracket of Zoro training. But this does directly imply that Zoro does have the capacity to EXCEED Oden's haki level and that could happen anywhere from now to the end of the series.

Given that we have this projection then it's not hard to imagine that Zoro reaching Oden's level of haki could in fact happen sometime soon

 

[ShadyOjiro]

zoros haki=odens

I would say Zoro Haki control close to Oden.

Lvl of Haki is yet to be shown.

 

[Grumpy Zoro]

This isn't really the point of how the story has been set up. What's been set up is that "Zoro will get stronger" and that's all we can read from the Enma training.

What brings up the comparisons to Oden's haki is the turning Enma black. As far we know this has nothing to do with taming Enma so it doesn't fall under the bracket of Zoro training. But this does directly imply that Zoro does have the capacity to EXCEED Oden's haki level and that could happen anywhere from now to the end of the series.

Given that we have this projection then it's not hard to imagine that Zoro reaching Oden's level of haki could in fact happen sometime soon

It's just something we will have to see as Wano arc goes on. I do think Oda decided to speed things up and sh's will make jumps that are not exactly logical

 

[Finalbeta]

zoros haki=odens

Yes. If not Zoro has Asura whilst Oden does not, so he is meant to be stronger post this training. I actually don't exclude better haki either.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Gears are just training wheels

 

[HA001]

Gears are just training wheels

Well yeah. He cant just do it out of nowhere. He had to train it.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Gears are just training wheels

Do you have anything to say?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Do you have anything to say?

I already said what I said up.

If enma is just training wheel then so was gears pre ts, so is g4 currently

Or am I wrong?

Why are you the only one talking about Enma in 2 threads ?

Translations are now wrong coz Sword and Mihawk wank needs a boost
But the real translations mistakes you don't accept it.

Yeah yeah