What has awakened that the Gorosei are talking about?


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Ok, so "Red" Hawk/Roc is clearly the fire application with CoA/AdCoA (doesn't matter).

"Hawk" was definitely a CoA upgrade for "Jet" post timeskip. This makes sense because he also uses Hawk Gatling I believe against Monet. Plus Hawk Rifle is also not on fire here, so it supports "Red" being related.

But "Roc" is what is confusing here. I think it might actually be a combo of Gear 2/3 because:

- Roc is a bigger, ancient bird.
- Luffy's Roc Gun was as big as Kaido's face
- Elephant Gun already exists as a CoA G3 variant.
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This would mean Red Roc is a CoA/AdCoA G2/G3 variant of Red Hawk. To me, Luffy can only do the fire moves with enough speed, thus is why things like "Red Elephant" do not exist.
Roc is not confusing at all. It's just like Hawk. You have one "Red" version with flames, and the rest are just Roc versions. Like you said it's just faster so you can use flames.

Oda does this with Boundman too. He has a "faster"/smaller version, and a slower/stronger version.



 
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Honourable death...




After you saw the autumn leaves, you returned to the route.
It reminds you of family.
After you ate maple manjuu, you returned to work.
Be sure not to live disgracefully.
Once you fall behind,
you can't take the frontlines for your whole life.
Holding up thorough justice,
invincible, it's kill or be killed.

After you saw the carps fighting, you returned to the route.
It beats at your bravery.
After you ate lots of oysters, you returned to work.
You fight with those guys towards that sea.











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Also not sure if this is real or an old panel?:

 
Roc is a mythical bird for those who don't know
The roc is an enormous legendary bird of prey in the popular mythology of the Middle East.

The roc appears in Arab geographies and natural history, popularized in Arabian fairy tales and sailors' folklore. Ibn Battuta tells of a mountain hovering in the air over the China Seas, which was the roc.[1] The story collection One Thousand and One Nights includes tales of Abd al-Rahman and Sinbad the Sailor, both of which include the roc.



Its like a Hawk on Steroids lol that's why Red Roc >>>> Red Hawk
And again CoC attack is related to some Mythology shit of God or divine.
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Because Judge was able to do soem damage to a Vet level guy even with injuries maded by BM.
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No. It's nothing to do with Haki. Flames were being used since Dressrosa.

The new Hakis are just stacked on top and do more damage but it's not changing the nature of the move.
He said that not because of flame.

Red Roc damaged Kaidou.
 
I'm talking about the new advanced Hakis. If he could do Red Hawk before, he could do Red Roc.

Red Hawk = Red Roc

Hawk Gatling = Roc Gatling

Hawk Bullet/Pistol = Roc Gun

Though he still hasn't shown the "Hawk Pistol" it should be just a non-twisted version of Hawk Rifle he used vs. Chinjao.

Red Roc>Red Hawk.
Roc Gun>Hawk Bullet.
Roc Gattling>Hawk Gattling.

Because is form way better version of Bird.
 
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