Powers & Abilities Oda did a deservice to have Sanji and Zoro jump mutiple tiers.

I don’t even think it’s Pica it’s just pure Sanji fan cope. They try to stick Sanji and Zoro together as equals or close to equals with outlandish interpretations of the manga.

For example:
Somehow Sanji beating Queen makes him stronger than King. While Zoro beating King puts him in the same tier.

Another example is people saying King and Queen are equal despite Oda stating King is stronger in his Vivre Card.

Most Sanji fans either downplay Zoro or overhype Sanji in an attempt to say they are similar in power. When the manga clearly shows us different.

Zoro has fought the main villain in multiple arcs Sanji has never done it. That’s shows that Zoro is closer to Luffy than he is to Sanji.
You hit the nail fam
Watch that fandom cope with headcanons
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Laws casual feat of cutting punk hazard in half... compared to zoro using his strongest attack to cut a smaller moutain
ISDS is his strongest attack Lol?????
 
Zoro before Wano was a solid YC3/2 level and Sanji’s not getting beat by any Veteran tier character except possibly Vergo or Who’s Who.

So they were both quite strong and trained during Wano, off screen, that made them even tougher before their big power ups.

I do think the issue is neither fighter had a good challenge in the New World before Wano to show us they’re strong. Oda kept saying they were but didn’t back it up. If Doflamingo had a worthwhile subordinate who could force Zoro to high diff and Sanji beat Snack in WCI, most people wouldn’t think twice about their power ups in Wano.

And personally I do think they both needed fights before hand. Showcase what they can do earlier so it’s a big deal when the All Stars have the edge against the Wings.
Zoro wasn't above any Yv pre Enma except maybe Jack

So your "YC3/2" doesn't make sense since his best feats are done with Enma
 
the thing most people have difficulty with is all the monster trio being in Commander tier before wano even starts.
Well i agree
Sanji is Yc3 or Yc4 at the start of Wano
After exoskeleton he became peak Yc2

Luffy is peak Yc2 at the start of Wano
After Udon training he is Yc1+
And became Low Top tier after gaining AdCOC

Zoro is Yc2 at the start of wano
Yc1 after 2 week training
Low top tier after ADcOC
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Because Dofla was Law and Luffy fight not Zoro.

The vivre card never said that Zoro was weaker than Luffy in Dressrosa specifically. The vivre card said that Zoro is the second strongest without giving any given time.

Shushui Zoro is stronger than Enma Zoro prior to 1035. We know for fact that Zoro was holding himself back while using Enma until he accepted the sword challenge.
True
Black blade Shuusui stronger than Untamed Enma before 1033 or 1035
 
Luffy, the CoC specialist, has the CoC control to selectively knockout characters, combat genius, with more understanding of ryuo than Zoro, who learned adv CoC from having it used against him twice, it was portrayed as an impressive feat and the culmination of knowledge, control and power.

Zoro just overclocks his haki out at full power through Enma, doesn't have the same weight or build up, and yes comes off as bs.

UNLOCKING base CoC is just a matter of genes and sufficient blooming from stress, not training or understanding.
Hence why an untrained Luffy unlocks it pre-skip and why Doffy/Ace can unlock it as kids.
Whoa, even more headcanon. Alright
1. Haohshoku is not genetic. There isn't a single translation of a panel where that is held as true.

2. Zoro never had the helpless outrage those kids had. Luffy had it way later. Kaido has never shown basic Haohshoku at all. So your "stepping stone" headcanon has no basis.

3. Adv CoA is utterly irrelevant. Ultimately, the only use was to free Yamato. Zoro doesn't need internal destruction for adv Haohshoku.

4. Zoro is a combat genius, his entire fighting style is self made as opposed to a unique power he gained. Adv Haohshoku is another type of armament, which is his specialty. If he is a conqueror then there is no present reason for him to be unable to figure it out.
 
Luffy, the CoC specialist, has the CoC control to selectively knockout characters, combat genius, with more understanding of ryuo than Zoro, who learned adv CoC from having it used against him twice, it was portrayed as an impressive feat and the culmination of knowledge, control and power.

Zoro just overclocks his haki out at full power through Enma, doesn't have the same weight or build up, and yes comes off as bs.

UNLOCKING base CoC is just a matter of genes and sufficient blooming from stress, not training or understanding.
Hence why an untrained Luffy unlocks it pre-skip and why Doffy/Ace can unlock it as kids.
Lmao
Gaining adcoc as matter of genetics is blatant headcanon
Otherwise we will have Hiyori and all of Bigmeme kids havin CoC
 
Well i agree
Sanji is Yc3 or Yc4 at the start of Wano
After exoskeleton he became peak Yc2

Luffy is peak Yc2 at the start of Wano
After Udon training he is Yc1+
And became Low Top tier after gaining AdCOC

Zoro is Yc2 at the start of wano
Yc1 after 2 week training
Low top tier after ADcOC
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True
Black blade Shuusui stronger than Untamed Enma before 1033 or 1035
YC1/2/3 don’t really exist imo. I think starting wano they were already stronger than Cracker and Smoothie but now no Commander other than BBs and Beckman can rival either Zoro nor Sanji
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Because Zoro and a Luffy was and Sanji just wasn’t. We can post every panel of the monster trio fighting prior to WCI and you will see Zoro and Luffy winning and Sanji losing.

Sanji literally looked bad in every fight that he had prior to Wano. It wasn’t until he got his RS that he started looking decent. Immediately after that he got Germa power ups.
Sanji was tho lmao. He annihilated Yonji one on one. And the germa siblings are just under commander levels themselve
 
You hit the nail fam
Watch that fandom cope with headcanons
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ISDS is his strongest attack Lol?????
Strongest attack aside from ashura. Yes.

Final attack on mihawk

Final attack on oars

Best attack we seen post ts until ashura. And he used it against Lica.

One of 2 secret moves from his 3 sword style techniques.

Portrayed in a light none of his other moves have

Yes isds is his strongest
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YC1/2/3 don’t really exist imo. I think starting wano they were already stronger than Cracker and Smoothie but now no Commander other than BBs and Beckman can rival either Zoro nor Sanji
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Sanji was tho lmao. He annihilated Yonji one on one. And the germa siblings are just under commander levels themselve
Going off every single example of other crews. Judge should be twice as strong as any of his children. As the leader.

Judge is likely able to fight the likes of kata tbh. Would explain how he escaped
 
YC1/2/3 don’t really exist imo. I think starting wano they were already stronger than Cracker and Smoothie but now no Commander other than BBs and Beckman can rival either Zoro nor Sanji
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Sanji was tho lmao. He annihilated Yonji one on one. And the germa siblings are just under commander levels themselve
How are the Germa siblings just under commander when they got destroyed by the commanders at the Tea Party no diff?
 
How are the Germa siblings just under commander when they got destroyed by the commanders at the Tea Party no diff?
How’d they get no diffed by commanders? The only one who had issues was when Ichiji fought Katakuri. And Ichiji was more impressive than even Jinbe when looking at how they reacted to Kata.

But let’s see:

Reiju pushed Smoothie into dropping Nami with just one kick
Yonji overpowered Daifukus genie with no issues
Ichiji dealt with Perospero with ease
Nijis kick forced Oven to drop the straw hats as well.

Then we see later:
Ichiji one shotting Oven
4 of them vs Big Moms pirate crew and they were winning until Big Mom pirates had to use specially made bullets to deal with them.

I don’t know where else you could possibly place them unless you seriously think any Tobi Roppo could do the same lmao
 
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Admiral-Ooze

He pulled it out and one shot killer lmfao
It proves that an un-hakified farmtool is strong enough to pierce through early Wano Zolo's unguarded defenses...

It also proves that Zolo's reaction speeds are not enough to keep up with nerfed Killer & Gyukimaru...

Obviously, haki-fied awakened Flap-Threads, which can attack many more angles than Killer & Gyukimaru can at far greater speeds, would completely overwhelm & turn Zolo into a moss-kabob...

Leave it to retard Zolo-fans to think a character that took Luffy & Law combined to defeat would be defeated by the subordinate of just 1.
 
How’d they get no diffed by commanders? The only one who had issues was when Ichiji fought Katakuri. And Ichiji was more impressive than even Jinbe when looking at how they reacted to Kata.

But let’s see:

Reiju pushed Smoothie into dropping Nami with just one kick
Yonji overpowered Daifukus genie with no issues
Ichiji dealt with Perospero with ease
Nijis kick forced Oven to drop the straw hats as well.

Then we see later:
Ichiji one shotting Oven
4 of them vs Big Moms pirate crew and they were winning until Big Mom pirates had to use specially made bullets to deal with them.

I don’t know where else you could possibly place them unless you seriously think any Tobi Roppo could do the same lmao
 
So Zoro could not reach Doflamingo like Law, Sanji, Kyros, Luffy and Viola did…because a legit top tier intervened but it is somehow a proof of Zoro’s weakness:saden::saden:

« Ztard this Ztards that,
The rooftop hit me hard,
That’s why I’m crying like that »:moonwalk:
You know Zoro performed badly against fujitora right? And fujitora isn't a top tier. Let's say luffy and kaidou are mid top tier as of right now and prime garp and Roger were top top tier. Low top tier would be someone like kuzan and fujitora would be high high tier.

Luffy struggled against Doflamingo meaning Zoro would have fortune lost. Just like Luffy is beating Kaidou and Zoro had to get multiple powerups to fight King who isn't even half as strong as kaidou and was injured and tired from his fight with Marco.

Even if you want to say whatever zoro lost to the yeti cool bros.
 
Now show the panels of them fighting the Big Mom pirates and taking down their crew.

Where do you rank them out of curiosity? Because they’re at least Jinbe level by comparable enemies
Taking down the crew doesn’t mean anything when they got no diff’d by the commanders. Also Oven wasn’t done after being attacked by Ichiji. Those were surprise attacks to lol.
 
Taking down the crew doesn’t mean anything when they got no diff’d by the commanders. Also Oven wasn’t done after being attacked by Ichiji. Those were surprise attacks to lol.
So oven didn’t get one shot by Ichiji? And Ichiji also didn’t get done after his fight with Katakuri, so how is that a no diff but Ichiji not a one shot?
 
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