Character Discussion Do you agree with the disappointment people have regarding Eustass Kid?
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The disappointment in Kidd is not that he didn’t damage Big Mom
this chapter was Oda saying he did damage to both BM and Kaido
but the disappointment is because of the WAY he damaged them..
1- He has King’s haki
2- He got magnetic powers which can be utilized for internal damage..
yet non of the above was used…
and Oda instead created a justification that should be used for the weaklings like for example Raizo or any of scabbards having hands in taking down Kaido because “even a small rain or drop of water” can with time affect rocks or mountains
So the issue here is that this statement here can be used by Oda to give credit for the weaklings who got crushed by yonko… to say that “you did fine” and not make them feel bad
BUT this shouldn’t be used as justification for the main players of the arc (Kid and Law included)…
Law on the other hand was NEVER handed this poor justification.. his technique hurt Big Mom and Kaido pure and simple
this chapter was Oda saying he did damage to both BM and Kaido
but the disappointment is because of the WAY he damaged them..
1- He has King’s haki
2- He got magnetic powers which can be utilized for internal damage..
yet non of the above was used…
and Oda instead created a justification that should be used for the weaklings like for example Raizo or any of scabbards having hands in taking down Kaido because “even a small rain or drop of water” can with time affect rocks or mountains
So the issue here is that this statement here can be used by Oda to give credit for the weaklings who got crushed by yonko… to say that “you did fine” and not make them feel bad
BUT this shouldn’t be used as justification for the main players of the arc (Kid and Law included)…
Law on the other hand was NEVER handed this poor justification.. his technique hurt Big Mom and Kaido pure and simple
This. You really have to wonder if Law wasn't there, how much damage would he really be doing? That raindrop mountain metaphor only further implies he's relying on Law's attacks. Heck even his awakening only worked because Law was there to shambles him away, now teamwork is cool but the point is Law's attacks are heavily damaging Big Mom independently of Kidd's, his attacks aren't drops of water that eventually wear Big Mom down, they're absolutely fucking her up everytime he lands and we know this because they are downright ignoring Big Mom's hard shell/durability.
Kid was already hated in Shabondy? I was not hanging out on the forums at that time Most people who want to prove that Kid isn't stronger than anyone else are Zoro fanboys in general.
After I find that Oda put too much hype on the character of Kid and failed with this character.
We all wanted him to be almost as strong as Luffy chose which neither really seems the case at all right now. And I feel like the character contradicted himself several times in his goals in Wano :
- "I'm going to take down Kaido" -
"I'm going to take the head of Big Mom" -
"I'm going to stop Big Mom from going to the roof no matter the cost"
And little by little he becomes like the others a Supporter of Luffy
After I find that Oda put too much hype on the character of Kid and failed with this character.
We all wanted him to be almost as strong as Luffy chose which neither really seems the case at all right now. And I feel like the character contradicted himself several times in his goals in Wano :
- "I'm going to take down Kaido" -
"I'm going to take the head of Big Mom" -
"I'm going to stop Big Mom from going to the roof no matter the cost"
And little by little he becomes like the others a Supporter of Luffy
--First thing is lack of haki usage like even basic haki?
--There is so much of damage you can do with only metal attacks against high dura characters like BM ; for example appo tanked a punch no problem
--Assign on paper is no doubt impressive ; getting attack from all direction and it also looked powerful but again the problem is same -- Throwing metal towards opponent only from all directions
--When I first read the spoilers for Kidd's awakening when he first showed I thought it would have some kind of sealing effect by using continuous magnetism but that is not the case
--So yeah its underwhelming ; oda should have given Kidd something like bullet
--There is still chance for kidd to shine but lets see what oda does with him ( Hoping for something like bullet)
--About his character -- oda dropped the ball when his focus shifted from kaido ; still its OK for me
--There is so much of damage you can do with only metal attacks against high dura characters like BM ; for example appo tanked a punch no problem
--Assign on paper is no doubt impressive ; getting attack from all direction and it also looked powerful but again the problem is same -- Throwing metal towards opponent only from all directions
--When I first read the spoilers for Kidd's awakening when he first showed I thought it would have some kind of sealing effect by using continuous magnetism but that is not the case
--So yeah its underwhelming ; oda should have given Kidd something like bullet
--There is still chance for kidd to shine but lets see what oda does with him ( Hoping for something like bullet)
--About his character -- oda dropped the ball when his focus shifted from kaido ; still its OK for me
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One of the main issues is everybody thought this was Kids PH moment!!!! In that arc Law burst onto the scene with major wank. Most 1-1s, best feats, etc. U didn’t have to deal with luffy MC shit immediately. This was peak supernova hype. That we’ll seemly never see again smh....
While Kids:
- barely got any characterization
-his firstmate got beat, an turned into a freak
-Zero 1-1 fights even though he saw Apoo
-Zero haki feats
-Got virtually no retribution for his imprisonment or his crew enslavement
-Did virtually nothing to Kaido
Like this shit pretty damn bad. Especially him not doing anything about Killer being turn into a smile freak. How tf beating Big mom setting that straight??? This arc would’ve made 10000 times more sense, if Kid was introduced in WCI. Waste of space Capone could’ve fucked off. An a legit Meme vs Kid battle could’ve been set up. Instead we got a connection to Kaido that went nowhere
While Kids:
- barely got any characterization
-his firstmate got beat, an turned into a freak
-Zero 1-1 fights even though he saw Apoo
-Zero haki feats
-Got virtually no retribution for his imprisonment or his crew enslavement
-Did virtually nothing to Kaido
Like this shit pretty damn bad. Especially him not doing anything about Killer being turn into a smile freak. How tf beating Big mom setting that straight??? This arc would’ve made 10000 times more sense, if Kid was introduced in WCI. Waste of space Capone could’ve fucked off. An a legit Meme vs Kid battle could’ve been set up. Instead we got a connection to Kaido that went nowhere
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No, i don't agree with those people.
Nerfed big mom almost KO Queen. A powerful guy with a cyborg body and an ancient zoan df.
A serious big mom has been hitting kid for quite some time now plus kid took extra hits when he was nerfed because of Hawkins and he is still fighting.
In both serious cases that big mom took damage from law and kid, kid's attack was highlighted as the most devastating one.
He is not luffy of course and killer is not zoro either,
That's what the two years of training did to strawhats and they leap forward.
If big mom takes damage she is useless and if kid takes a beating from a yonko he is midd lol
Stop the hate guys, or at least be reasonable when you activate the hate mode
Nerfed big mom almost KO Queen. A powerful guy with a cyborg body and an ancient zoan df.
A serious big mom has been hitting kid for quite some time now plus kid took extra hits when he was nerfed because of Hawkins and he is still fighting.
In both serious cases that big mom took damage from law and kid, kid's attack was highlighted as the most devastating one.
He is not luffy of course and killer is not zoro either,
That's what the two years of training did to strawhats and they leap forward.
If big mom takes damage she is useless and if kid takes a beating from a yonko he is midd lol
Stop the hate guys, or at least be reasonable when you activate the hate mode
There is no question that Kidd is disappointing.
A big part of it has to do with the high expectation fans had for Kidd. I dont blame the fans though, its Oda's fault. There have been several reasons for this ridiculous level of expectation:
- Kidd had higher bounty that Luffy pre-TS
- Law has been really cool since Punk Hazard, and people expected Kidd to be more awesome (has a supernova subordinate and Oda's statement Kidd was supposed to be big shot, not Law)
- Forming an alliance to take down another yonko, while Luffy-Law formed another alliance
- Luffy's rival portrayal in Udon
- Also, having CoC and Kaido trying to break his spirit
Fans wanted to see a rival of Luffy who could go toe-to-toe with him. Since the rooftop chapters, its obvious that Kidd is nowhere close to Luffy. He is not even in the same tier. That was a rude awakening.
The second disappointment comes from his attacks. Oda is just lazy when it comes to Kidd's powers. They are not visually pleasing, there are no wow factors. All his wrestling moves and body slams are impressive for a Caribou tier fighter, not for someone who is beating yonkos.
The third is, he is looking worse than Law. Oda gave Kidd the final attacks in every chapter, Kroom Anasthesia then Punk Crash, Kroom Shock Willie then Punk Corna Dio. I have no doubt Oda wanted to portray Kidd as leading the charge against Big Mom and his attacks are very strong. But due Oda's lack of imagination, Law's attacks look more effective. So we go from Luffy's rival to weaker than Law.
However, we would be less disappointed if we accept the fact Kidd was never meant to be Luffy's rival. Oda came up with the idea of supernovas just before the chapter where the supernovas were introduced. He came up with their idea in three hours because an editor told him to spice the chapter up. They were not a part of his original plot. There is a reason why Blackbeard has been included in the worst generation. Nobody cares about supernovas anymore, its all about worst generation. Luffy has only one rival from worst generation, and thats Blackbeard.
A big part of it has to do with the high expectation fans had for Kidd. I dont blame the fans though, its Oda's fault. There have been several reasons for this ridiculous level of expectation:
- Kidd had higher bounty that Luffy pre-TS
- Law has been really cool since Punk Hazard, and people expected Kidd to be more awesome (has a supernova subordinate and Oda's statement Kidd was supposed to be big shot, not Law)
- Forming an alliance to take down another yonko, while Luffy-Law formed another alliance
- Luffy's rival portrayal in Udon
- Also, having CoC and Kaido trying to break his spirit
Fans wanted to see a rival of Luffy who could go toe-to-toe with him. Since the rooftop chapters, its obvious that Kidd is nowhere close to Luffy. He is not even in the same tier. That was a rude awakening.
The second disappointment comes from his attacks. Oda is just lazy when it comes to Kidd's powers. They are not visually pleasing, there are no wow factors. All his wrestling moves and body slams are impressive for a Caribou tier fighter, not for someone who is beating yonkos.
The third is, he is looking worse than Law. Oda gave Kidd the final attacks in every chapter, Kroom Anasthesia then Punk Crash, Kroom Shock Willie then Punk Corna Dio. I have no doubt Oda wanted to portray Kidd as leading the charge against Big Mom and his attacks are very strong. But due Oda's lack of imagination, Law's attacks look more effective. So we go from Luffy's rival to weaker than Law.
However, we would be less disappointed if we accept the fact Kidd was never meant to be Luffy's rival. Oda came up with the idea of supernovas just before the chapter where the supernovas were introduced. He came up with their idea in three hours because an editor told him to spice the chapter up. They were not a part of his original plot. There is a reason why Blackbeard has been included in the worst generation. Nobody cares about supernovas anymore, its all about worst generation. Luffy has only one rival from worst generation, and thats Blackbeard.
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Maybe if Oda did not waste our time with Sabaody Supernovas, people would not expect so much... realistically only Law, Bege, Drake, and Apoo have been useful to the story of that group (excluding Luffy and Zoro). When you throw a dozen characters into the story taking up screentime and plotlines, they are going to recieve hate. Kidd is simply the character that Oda hyped the most and hes been about as much a factor as the people i didnt name.