Chapter Discussion Zoro, The Grim Reaper, And Hawkins' Strength Tarot Card

#41
You think Onigashima will explode or Momo won't be able to stop Onigashima's fall ?
Neither, but I do believe something will force everyone to flee onigashima (like the flames spreading) or maybe kaido gets salty that his attack on onigashima fails, and thus personally goes to the capital to reak havoc via continuous boro breaths. The latest opening for the anime does showcase something similar to the latter and we all know how the openings end up spoiling future events.
 
#42
Neither, but I do believe something will force everyone to flee onigashima (like the flames spreading) or maybe kaido gets salty that his attack on onigashima fails, and thus personally goes to the capital to reak havoc via continuous boro breaths. The latest opening for the anime does showcase something similar to the latter and we all know how the openings end up spoiling future events.
Fire won't reach the rooftop (where Luffy and Kaido are fighting)
Kaido won't leave his 1v1 unless he defeat Luffy
Do you think Luffy will lose again ?
 
#43
This is amazing. Could Hawkins somehow later return to help too. Since in chapter 913 when he explained his cards he also said he has a card that can make one expands his power beyond the limit.



I have been thinking about this recently. If he does do that whos going to receive it? i am leaning towards Luffy or Zoro but likely Zoro since he is already unable to move again.
 
#44
Wait another thing I just noticed...holy shit

So in this chapter Kid says:



"If you give it long enough, even mountains can be worn down by rain" in reference to defeating Kaido/Yonkos

This is VERY, VERY similar to what it says on Luffy and Zoro's jackets in this recent christmas color spread:



Luffy's jacket says "every drop in the ocean counts" while Zoro's says "made ripples"

:crazwhat::crazwhat:
Jack D. Et




 
#45
Fire won't reach the rooftop (where Luffy and Kaido are fighting)
Kaido won't leave his 1v1 unless he defeat Luffy
Do you think Luffy will lose again ?
Not sure why the flames won't just engulf all of onigshima but meh. One thing that is undeniable is that it is quickly falling apart which could lead to everyone jumping ship. Kaido is very much capable of putting down luffy in short bursts to full on knockouts so it is entirely possible for him to get a head start and float on over to the capital in the time it takes for luffy to spring back up.
 
#46
Not sure why the flames won't just engulf all of onigshima but meh. One thing that is undeniable is that it is quickly falling apart which could lead to everyone jumping ship. Kaido is very much capable of putting down luffy in short bursts to full on knockouts so it is entirely possible for him to get a head start and float on over to the capital in the time it takes for luffy to spring back up.
Exactly what I said you already have your claim and you don't care about If counter arguments makes it unlikely


Kaido already tried to Kill Luffy if he wins he won't fail this time
The fire didn't even affect half of the castle let alone all the Island
 
#47
Exactly what I said you already have your claim and you don't care about If counter arguments makes it unlikely


Kaido already tried to Kill Luffy if he wins he won't fail this time
The fire didn't even affect half of the castle let alone all the Island
Don't know where you get off saying I don't care for counter arguments when you have literally provided none for me to respond to. You could only come to such a conclusion if I were speaking in absolutes (much like yourself), which I've made a good job so far of NOT doing. I am not Oda, his editors, or anyone with superior knowledge of the inner workings of the series, so due to this, I make it a practice to speak in probability or potentiality unless whatever I'm talking about is straight from out of the manga.

Putting the blatant wrongness of your reply aside however, Oda has made it clear that much of Onigashima is either in ruins, falling apart, or engulfed in flames. The island, and by extension the castle, are in shambles currently and as we have seen in the latest chapter alone, even some of the fodder have begun to flee due to the growing threat of the fires spreading throughout onigashima.

Saying Kaido will not fail to kill Luffy if he wins again needs special citation, due to kaido outright sparing a defeated Luffy on two separate occasions when he could have most definitely put him down instead. If you can't prove this with tangible evidence from the manga, then this point is as dead as Oden.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#48
Zoro being awake and conscious after defeating King just means that the man aint done yet in wano.
I suspect Oda might give him one more PU after encountering the grim reaper, which is pretty ridiculous if you realize how strong En Ou zoro is already by now.

His wano feats are already pretty crazy so far:
1) tanking hakai
2) scarring kaido
3) unlocking aCoC
4) defeating king
He is just fighting off the effects of the medicine but had he never digested that then King would have been just another opponent to clearly fall to his swords :zosleepy:
 
#49
Don't know where you get off saying I don't care for counter arguments when you have literally provided none for me to respond to. You could only come to such a conclusion if I were speaking in absolutes (much like yourself), which I've made a good job so far of NOT doing. I am not Oda, his editors, or anyone with superior knowledge of the inner workings of the series, so due to this, I make it a practice to speak in probability or potentiality unless whatever I'm talking about is straight from out of the manga.
You didn't take into account that the fight is a 1vs1. Chapter 1038 proves it even more. BM was prevented to go to the rooftop, Zoro is currently unable to move and the medicine will probably kicked out
That as I said earlier the reaper is related to several characters and in a better fashion than Zoro even in 1029 Killer's shirt have a skull with scythes like the grim reaper
and a lot of others stuffs such as Luffy is related to the monkey not the lion (it's the theme animal given to him) he's even the monkey if we consider the event to follow Momotaro's tale
Putting the blatant wrongness of your reply aside however, Oda has made it clear that much of Onigashima is either in ruins, falling apart, or engulfed in flames. The island, and by extension the castle, are in shambles currently and as we have seen in the latest chapter alone, even some of the fodder have begun to flee due to the growing threat of the fires spreading throughout onigashima.
Not Onigashima the castle
The bedrock of Onigashima is collapsing because Kaido can't control it so we have two options :
-Luffy wins and the bedrock collapse (unless Momo achieve to gather flame clouds)
-Kaido wins (unlikely)

They have two fire you :
- One is from the Yokai (Yamato is stoping it)
- The other one comes from the batle and didn't affect more than half of the castle as I said

Saying Kaido will not fail to kill Luffy if he wins again needs special citation, due to kaido outright sparing a defeated Luffy on two separate occasions when he could have most definitely put him down instead. If you can't prove this with tangible evidence from the manga, then this point is as dead as Oden.
Yeah Kaido won't fail to Kill Luffy three times after beating him even for Crocodile Oda didn't go above two times
A third time is unlikely giving Kaido's speech in 1013 (he said he should have take Luffy's head instead of throwing him out of the island)
 
#50
Zoro being awake and conscious after defeating King just means that the man aint done yet in wano.
I suspect Oda might give him one more PU after encountering the grim reaper, which is pretty ridiculous if you realize how strong En Ou zoro is already by now.

His wano feats are already pretty crazy so far:
1) tanking hakai
2) scarring kaido
3) unlocking aCoC
4) defeating king
Yes, Zoro is not done.

His last 2 feats will be to forge a black blade and kill Kaido.
 
#53
So on a session of retrospective reading I noticed something rather interesting and it may actually have something to do with Zoro's confrontation with the grim reaper in the latest chapter.

As we know, In chapter 1029, Hawkins' involvement in the war as well as his hold on Kid was promptly cut short by Killer, with his final moments being his reading on the definition behind the final card he was able to draw : The Tower. Our focus is not on any of the above, but rather, the thing Oda had brilliantly snuck into the chapter, obscured by the main focus of the chapter and the various events occurring within.

Amongst the flying cards scattering about during Killer's Climatic finisher upon Hawkins, there lies one that has some rather meaningful imagery decorating its face. A skeleton and lion/tiger together with light rays peering from above along with an infinity symbol. A quick google search revealed this card to be tarot card number VIII; the strength card. The notable identifiers being the Large cat that both cards similarly include as well as the the infinity sign lying overhead which both cards also shares. Hawkins' version of this card instead of having a lady alongside the lion has a skeleton with a dark cloak obscuring its body.

Strength Tarot Card

Killer Finale

Close Up

The imagery of this card when combined with information we know leads to one conclusion. Luffy and Zoro will be the ones to defeat Kaido during the dawn. As a prominent lurker of this forum I know at least one member reading this has rolled their eyes into the back of they're head upon me mentioning Zoro but just read the rest of the post. It'll all come full circle soon.

Luffy, as we know has been placed alongside tigers throughout the series with the latest showing of that being made rather recently when Oda made a drawing celebrating the new year and although it is to a lesser extent, he has been shown alongside lions too. This connects Luffy to the imagery within Hawkins' card add Whether or not the feline within the card is a lion or tiger is irrelevant as Luffy has made appearances next to both animals.

Luffy #1

Luffy #2

The latest chapter has revealed to us that Zoro is now conscious after his bout with King only to be confronted by the grim reaper in the flesh... er- bone. With this newfound development in mind, no explanation is needed to explain the connection between Zoro and the cloaked skeleton on the image of the strength card, especially since our favorite green haired swordsman has a history of naming his attacks after purgatory, hell, demons and has even dubbed himself as the king of the Hell.

Zoro

Zoro and Luffy have made declarations of taking down Kaido on numerous occasions and between the two of them, have abundant reason, motive, and evidence towards them undergoing such a colossal task. This is all wrapped up nicely upon viewing the meaning behind the strength card: "Strength predicts the triumphant conclusion to a major life problem, situation or temptation through strength of character. It is a very happy card if you are fighting illness or recovering from injury.". I have confidence that everyone reading is intellectually capable enough to make the rather obvious connection between the meaning of the card and how it correlates perfectly with the premise of Zoro and Luffy taking down Kaido. One last tidbit I had forgotten to mention earlier within the post was the Light rays shown in the strength card signify how this will happen during the dawn which coincides with Toki's prophecy and how Kaido is meant to be defeated during the dawn.

With all of the above taken into consideration, it seems highly likely that Zoro and Luffy will be the ones to finally put down Kaido. End post.
Hope at least brings Hawkins back and makes that Tarot card relevant in the final war.
 
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