Powers & Abilities Sanji’s CoA is strong

[BornInAbyss]

Then please explain how Smokers invisible haki was stronger than Vergos black haki?

If I am not wrong law was nerfed against smoker since his heart was literally not inside him. That would explain smokers situation. I mean law couldnt win against vergo up until the point when he got his heart back.

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The anime is non canon fool. Foh with your delusional ass. Guess zoro using coc on fodder is canon too😂😂😂 but he can't even knockout fodder when using coc vs king🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is that your argument? Anime is non canon duh?

You are mixing filler scenes with canon scenes in your argument. Go buy yourself some IQ points. Otherwise we won't come into an conclusion in this foolish debate.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

If I am not wrong law was nerfed against smoker since his heart was literally not inside him. That would explain smokers situation. I mean law couldnt win against vergo up until the point when he got his heart back.

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Is that your argument? Anime is non canon duh?

You are mixing filler scenes with canon scenes in your argument. Go buy yourself some IQ points. Otherwise we won't come into an conclusion in this foolish debate.

The heart didn’t weaken Law it just made him incapable of fighting Vergo since Vergo had it. It was never mentioned anywhere else that losing the heart weakened his stats.

And reminder Smoker and Vergo both stated that Smoker let Vergo beat him.

 

[BornInAbyss]

The heart didn’t weaken Law it just made him incapable of fighting Vergo since Vergo had it. It was never mentioned anywhere else that losing the heart weakened his stats.

And reminder Smoker and Vergo both stated that Smoker let Vergo beat him.

Well, we don't know if it only affected law against vergo or generally. If it didn't then it would indeed be a logic hole, but if it did my argument would still make sense about the whole CoA level stuff.

 

[Chaves]

Sanji has the toughest weaponry in the series if we exclude Kaido and Big Mom.

I mean, not just because of Sanji's good mastery of CoA, but because he can combine that with exoskeleton, and the manga itself confirmed that exoskeleton > CoA

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Well, we don't know if it only affected law against vergo or generally. If it didn't then it would indeed be a logic hole, but if it did my argument would still make sense about the whole CoA level stuff.

Would it? You’re basing the logic that Sanji has weaker CoA since he’s not shown with his body black because black CoA is another level.

But we have definitive proof that invisible CoA can be stronger than Black CoA. Your argument falls apart because Black Coa isn’t stronger than Invisible CoA.

And we do know it only affected law against Vergo because of laws words. And we’ve seen multiple people lose their heart, if it affected their abilities Smoker/Caesar/Law/Monet would’ve mentioned it. But none did. In fact law was able to freely substitute whos heart he put in his hole with no change in his abilities.

 

[BornInAbyss]

Would it? You’re basing the logic that Sanji has weaker CoA since he’s not shown with his body black because black CoA is another level.

But we have definitive proof that invisible CoA can be stronger than Black CoA. Your argument falls apart because Black Coa isn’t stronger than Invisible CoA.

And we do know it only affected law against Vergo because of laws words. And we’ve seen multiple people lose their heart, if it affected their abilities Smoker/Caesar/Law/Monet would’ve mentioned it. But none did. In fact law was able to freely substitute whos heart he put in his hole with no change in his abilities.

I am not saying its a whole different level. I am saying its the next step. Whats the point of CoA being visualised at times and not being visualised at times if its the same thing then? We know there is an 3rd level which is ryou which luffy used against kaido.

Why would oda sometimes choose not to visualise CoA when he already visualised it as black coating if its the same thing? Does Oda have amnesia or smth like that and forgets that CoA has to be visualised as black coating? I honestly and seriously doubt that.

It just means that there is levels to CoA. 3 to be precise. 1 basic CoA which allows you to hit logia users 2. black coating which boosts your attacks 3. flowing ryou which causes inner destruction and penetrates.

If you have an logical idea you can share it with me, I am still trying to understand this whole haki thing which oda created.

But we have definitive proof that invisible CoA can be stronger than Black CoA. Your argument falls apart because Black Coa isn’t stronger than Invisible CoA.

This could only mean that the one who is using invisible CoA just has higher base stats than the one who uses black CoA. Take an Gifter for example who uses black CoA against someone like Sanji. Sanjis stats are blatantly higher than the gifter user and thats why Sanjis invisible CoA is stronger. That would explain it.

 

[Screws Loose242]

You forgot to post the next panel where he easily fell to his knee

But think of this it still was a good feat regardless because unlike luffy he doesn't need Harding

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Sanji coa was always crazy strong because at the first stage without Harding, look at cracker who's coa without Harding was stronger than luffy's this says a lot about a person who has train there coa but now sanji is using Harding which should but his coa on a completely new level, I mean look at all the things the guy did with basic coa, no one in the crew has done, not even luffy can block blade without Harding or other attacks

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Judge defeated Snack, while Zoro need to snuck Apoo to win. That’s some stark a difference when we know Apoo had to flee from WCI territory because of Snack

I almost forgot this damn:cheers:

 

[DonWick]

He snuck dude. Take Zoro’s dick out of your ass, he isn’t that great. He loses to Apoo 1vs1

Lol Pica is fodder without his fruit. Only if you have your anal cherry plucked by Zoro’s dick and then be one that’s begging for more, can have you think Pica is on same level of Vergo. The rest of us see and experience reality for what it is

plus they didn’t even share same rank, Vergo was Doflamingo’s partner. Pica is no different from Trebol

He would crush the hand of Black Maria by putting on haki. Sanji has better haki than Zoro that fight with swords, Zoro has swords unlike guys like Luffy who is rubber, Sanji needs to fight with his body, Katakuri who fights with mochi (that’s very soft) they need to work on their CoA, this is how Katakuri got super hard hardening. Zoro has the luxury of already fighting with something hard he doesn’t have need to develop hardening like Sanji and the others

He snuck dude. Take Zoro’s dick out of your ass, he isn’t that great. He loses to Apoo 1vs1

Lol Pica is fodder without his fruit. Only if you have your anal cherry plucked by Zoro’s dick and then be one that’s begging for more, can have you think Pica is on same level of Vergo. The rest of us see and experience reality for what it is

plus they didn’t even share same rank, Vergo was Doflamingo’s partner. Pica is no different from Trebol

He would crush the hand of Black Maria by putting on haki. Sanji has better haki than Zoro that fight with swords, Zoro has swords unlike guys like Luffy who is rubber, Sanji needs to fight with his body, Katakuri who fights with mochi (that’s very soft) they need to work on their CoA, this is how Katakuri got super hard hardening. Zoro has the luxury of already fighting with something hard he doesn’t have need to develop hardening like Sanji and the others

If anybody has Zoros dick in they’re ass it’s you buddy. You brought up Zoro I was talking about Sanji I didn’t mention Zoro.

Also Zoro has defeated King why would he lose to Apoo who was afraid of Queen? Zoro would beat Apoo fairly easily.

Once again you and your Zoro dick fascination if messing up your facts. I didn’t mention Picas fruit either. I specifically mentioned his haki. I do think Pica is on the same level as Vergo, I actually think he’s stronger because of his fruit. There is literally no indication that Vergos CoA was stronger than Picas CoA. They definetly had the same rank.

Zoro didn’t have the need to develop hardening yet the author said he specializes in CoA? He doesn’t need to develop hardening yet Mihawk trained him in it? What your saying makes absolutely no sense. I debate Sanji fans all the time and it’s some Sanji fans that will tell you that Zoro has better CoA than Sanji. It’s not even close.

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I bet Sanji would have lost to Vergo also.

I didn’t have much faith in Sanji pre Queen fight.

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As I said I consider it the same as the water effects in Demon slayer just visual effects for Oda however, with certain color schemes and character that would be ugly or take too long. There’s a reason Oda doesn’t draw Full body haki much. And very early post timeskip Oda showed that the black haki isn’t something like a new level when Smokers “invisible” haki blocked laws blade but Vergos full black haki couldnt.

We know this isn’t true. We can use Luffy for an obvious barometer. Luffy doesn’t do black CoA everytime he uses haki. Yet the more powerful attacks all use visible CoA.

But he doesn’t harden just to touch a logia.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I am not saying its a whole different level. I am saying its the next step. Whats the point of CoA being visualised at times and not being visualised at times if its the same thing then? We know there is an 3rd level which is ryou which luffy used against kaido.

Why would oda sometimes choose not to visualise CoA when he already visualised it as black coating if its the same thing? Does Oda have amnesia or smth like that and forgets that CoA has to be visualised as black coating? I honestly and seriously doubt that.

It just means that there is levels to CoA. 3 to be precise. 1 basic CoA which allows you to hit logia users 2. black coating which boosts your attacks 3. flowing ryou which causes inner destruction and penetrates.

If you have an logical idea you can share it with me, I am still trying to understand this whole haki thing which oda created.

This could only mean that the one who is using invisible CoA just has higher base stats than the one who uses black CoA. Take an Gifter for example who uses black CoA against someone like Sanji. Sanjis stats are blatantly higher than the gifter user and thats why Sanjis invisible CoA is stronger. That would explain it.

Smokers Jitte is naturally stronger than Vergos haki? Not likely.

And the only levels we know are:
Armament -> Flowing -> Internal Destruction.

The black coating is not a level. That’s never been shown in canon nor alluded to. Why would Oda only showcase it sometimes as a visual effect? Because doing it too much would make the manga messy that simple. Should Oda draw big mom and Kaido covered in black haki at all times even tho law said they’re always defending with haki? No because it makes a messy manga.

 

[Finalbeta]

I hope he will learn at least ACoA one day.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

It just means that there is levels to CoA. 3 to be precise. 1 basic CoA which allows you to hit logia users 2. black coating which boosts your attacks 3. flowing ryou which causes inner destruction and penetrates.

Invisible Haki and blackening/coating Haki is the very same.

The wiki simplifies the three levels of Haki pretty well http://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Haki and https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Haki/Busoshoku_Haki.

 

[Peroroncino]

But think of this it still was a good feat regardless because unlike luffy he doesn't need Harding

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Sanji coa was always crazy strong because at the first stage without Harding, look at cracker who's coa without Harding was stronger than luffy's this says a lot about a person who has train there coa but now sanji is using Harding which should but his coa on a completely new level, I mean look at all the things the guy did with basic coa, no one in the crew has done, not even luffy can block blade without Harding or other attacks

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I almost forgot this damn:cheers:

You call blocking a blade thats not infused with haki "crazy strong haki"?
Lufy blocked adv coc attacks with is coa he felt pain but he blocked it.
And zoro blocked a point blank explosion the size of onigashima with his coa.
What sanji did here is nothing.

 

[Screws Loose242]

You call blocking a blade thats not infused with haki "crazy strong haki"?
Lufy blocked adv coc attacks with is coa he felt pain but he blocked it.
And zoro blocked a point blank explosion the size of onigashima with his coa.
What sanji did here is nothing.

LOL if you look at the time WEN he block them then you'll know WCI sanji stop the same genie blade who can cut entire fleet of ship in half ant no feat you you delusional just because it had no haki as if haki is always needed for an attack to be power, no what I won't entertain you because you read wat you won see lol

 

[BillSlipton]

You call blocking a blade thats not infused with haki "crazy strong haki"?
Lufy blocked adv coc attacks with is coa he felt pain but he blocked it.
And zoro blocked a point blank explosion the size of onigashima with his coa.
What sanji did here is nothing.

Yes a blade from the same person who beat snack. Don't downplay judge cause you're a hater

 

[Peroroncino]

LOL if you look at the time WEN he block them then you'll know WCI sanji stop the same genie blade who can cut entire fleet of ship in half ant no feat you you delusional just because it had no haki as if haki is always needed for an attack to be power, no what I won't entertain you because you read wat you won see lol

Fleet? Didn't he cut like 2 of those small ships? called tater ships or something? the ship zoro cut in sabaody was bigger than that shit

 

[Finalbeta]

Fleet? Didn't he cut like 2 of those small ships? called tater ships or something? the ship zoro cut in sabaody was bigger than that shit

Imagine being so desperate to wank a match up against Daifuku