General & Others Long Time One Piece Readers: Has the One Piece fandom ever been this much in shambles?

[Paperchampion23]

I am giving you examples of what tension is! You aren't reading properly. Formulaic means repetition my friend. Luffy coming into an island to rescue a princess from the enemy is "repeating shit" which is no different than if Oda wants to destroy the ship again. And I never said anything about Usopp leaving again, i was just giving you an example.

Yes Zoro not being able to use Haki again is what is called tension, stop trying to change the subject into something it isn't. Law not using Haki against a Yonko has nothing to do with what I said. It is an apple to oranges comparison. Instead suppose Law lost his devil fruit. That is a better analogy to mine. Read properly next time.

You gave me examples as "tension" when they already happened. You didn't give good examples examples prove your point. That's your problem, get over it. I'm literally TELLING YOU that the princess rescue thing is not an example of tension, because it's not tension.

And that's your opinion lol. You "thinking" it implies tension is your opinion lmao, especially when it does not work in the confines of the story we have today.


Law losing his DF means death, so.....again proving my point about tension lmao. Do you even properly read this manga?


Edit: this is a fucking stupid ass argument I'm done

 

[Sam]

You gave me examples as "tension" when they already happened. You didn't give good examples examples prove your point.

No, that's your opinion lol. You "thinking" it implies tension is your opinion lmao, especially when it does not work in the confines of the story we have today.

it doesn't matter if it already happened. They are examples! Lol.

Someone losing their haki for multiple arcs is tension whether you believe that or not. Your opinion does not matter over the facts. If you chose to believe that Kwame Brown is better than Michael than go ahead. That doesn't mean it is fact that Micheal Jordan is better than Kwame BRown.

It does not work in the confines of the story today?? Just like how future future fruit time travel didn't work in the confines of the story before WAno? Or cannibalism before WCI? Loosing haki is not far off the confines especially when we Saw Luffy being drained from Haki for 10 mins because of G4.

 

[Herrera95]

We have Worst Gen to argue freely and Reddit for Oda's and Luffy's dick sucking sessions. Choose what you want to do.

 

[Nel-Zel fiasco]

better to argue freely and critic than say "one piece is great" o oda is goda ,so Cringe
btw if we see logically lot of influx reader come to op that,s for sure ,AOT is over, berserk is hiatus , bleach n naruto ended long ago and boruto not did well with fans ... only become milking chore by kishi
boku no hero and black clover also almost over and kimetsu already over so many many readers read OP so of course dissenting opinions show up a lot ...
but if people own multiple social media account they can see differently in different website and forums ex: reddit still like OP n rarely got critic for oda but worstgen have a lot to say about oda writing , so i think it still balance
dunno about future tho ... remember people opinions are Constantly Changing

 

[BlackLegFring]

The main problem from what I've seen is that Oda seemingly has more free reign to ramp up all the more negative aspects of One Piece that people complain about. Even if the issues exist in past arcs, the novelty of them didn't run thin back then. It's the fact that they are now being repeated for the umpteenth time and ramped up in arguably both number and effect is what has fried a lot of people's patience.

Also, something I see less people talk about is the fact that the reception of an arc or section of story is influenced by the balance between the good and bad aspects. People are more willing...or rather people have less time to complain about the bad stuff when there is good stuff grabbing their attention.

Using WCI as an example, people complained about the 2nd half a lot but Katakuri was there to mitigate the complaints. He's a fan favourite character and the interactions between him, the rest of the BMP, and Luffy took a big chunk of the focus of attention. There were complaints about how the fight unwinded but those weren't as potent as the current complaints because people still liked Katakuri despite that and just having him there was entertaining.

Compare that to Wano where there are similar issues that people have with the fights but the characters are far less loved than Katakuri. I'd even argue that for whatever reason there are a number of characters that people seem to outright hate. Big Mom is the only one that received a good portion of hate in both arcs, but apart from Smoothie I can't think of many characters people particularly hated (in a bad way, not like Judge who people were happy to hate and laughed at when he cried) in WCI. There are a number of those in Wano though and not a lot of good aspects to take the attention away from the bad.

tl;dr - Wano repeating the same problems that existed before makes it more likely for people's patience to run out

- Wano multiplies those problems by a lot, both in quantity and quality

- There's not a lot of good aspects to turn people's attention away from the bad, so there's a lot more space for disappointment to fester.

- Wano is even longer than prior arcs, so it creates a situation where people are tired and want to move on, so in the meantime they can only fester in their disappointment.

- One final thing is that Wano followed the fantastic and short Reverie Arc, so that just makes the disappointment more acute because most people seemed to love the Reverie...and some apparently thought Wano would be even better. Now instead, a lot of people are more interested in everything else going on outside Wano than the in-arc content.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I'm not talking about the story being the worst / most controversial ever, because i'm pretty sure it was even worse during Fishman Island / Dressrosa / Whole Cake, and i wasn't even there.

I'm sure there was a lot of discussions about the quality of the story, powerscaling and etc...

But what i want to know is this, has there ever been this much hate from the fandom itself?

What i mean is that for the past few years, half the shit we see on youtube / twitter / reddit / worstgen is about the fandom attacking the fandom.

Narrative "critics" vs Oda's "simps".

Story "purists" vs Powerscalers.

The community having hate fights over Yamato being a he or a she.

I feel like there's so much rage / hate in the One Piece community right now, that it's not even directed at the story anymore, but among the fans.

People just spend more time on social medias/forums and etc.

Go back in time to dunno 2005 onwards and give the same technology to the wider audience and power scaling wars would occur too.

Also remember that One Piece reddit and worstgen are not the entire One Piece fandom. They are a small part of them.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I don't agree with this. I was on APforums, reddit and mangahelpers back in the day and I rarely ever saw any criticism towards One Piece but there were a lot of people criticizing Naruto, Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul, Magi, Seven deadly sins, Fiary Tail etc. Those were the top mangas back in the days but rarely anyone criticized Oda. So why was it that they criticized other mangas but not One Piece when the younger generation "boomer take" wasn't even around yet?

Hate in a manga has always been there even before the younger generation. People are now hating on One Piece more and more because it has gotten that bad not because of the younger generation of the Naruto fanbase switching over.

There is actually a thread on here that someone dug up old content on APForum back during the Water 7 (I believe) days where people were bashing One Piece, and saying Oda lost his touch. I've been on the forum scene since 2012, and I've seen the same criticism back then, as there is now, although now it's to a much more extreme degree, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the it ramped up 10 fold when Naruto and Bleach ended, and we got those fans who were infamous for their toxic behavior, and bashing the Authors of those series they supposedly loved.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Fanboy wars always existed but they were never as bad as they're now. One Piece wasn't discussed as intensely before Naruto's ending. OP arguments were fun regardless of how heated they were when millennials dominated the community. They weren't exactly mature high-quality debates but they contained a bit of everything you'd look for in an interesting argument.

Things started going south as Gen-Z entered the game and are now at an all-time low.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I think arc fatigue is a valid criticism. You honestly can't tell me that One piece needs to be over a thousand chapters long. I mean truly tell me why we need to spend little over a hundred chapters in an arc about doflamingo?

No other author does this. Apart from the guy who wrote Don Quixote, I don't know anyone else who goes off on a tangent at every single story point.

Truth be told, Oda sold out. The One piece arc format deliberately exists to make the series as long as physically possible. Oda doesn't need to drag every island out the way he does. Fishman island could have deadass been 10 chapters. Luffy comes to FI, and sees hody fucking things up. Luffy 1 shots hody, Zoro 1 shots the octopus guy, everyone else is irrelevant but gets a bit of panel time, and Luffy and Zoro KO the fodder by both using CoC. We gets some stuff about shirahoshi and some lore drops, then we move the fuck on.

Same with punk hazard and dressrosa. The yonko are the main villains, not these irrelevant fucks. This is Oda's problem. The man spent 6 years after the timeskip dragging his balls until we finally got into the vs 4 yonko saga. When he finally got to the vs 4 yonko saga, Oda realized he didn't know what the hell he was doing, which is why the second half of WCI feels like a clusterfuck and wano has so many problems.

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When I was a teenager and I got into one piece. I couldn't wait to get to the parts about the emperors, the admirals, and Dragon. I especially was hyped for Dragon meeting Luffy. And yet we're 1000+ chapters into the series and that hasn't happened. Why? Because Oda would rather have Luffy run around each arc like a dumbass and focus on the shitty princesses than characters people actually care about.

 

[Punk Rotten]

I think arc fatigue is a valid criticism. You honestly can't tell me that One piece needs to be over a thousand chapters long. I mean truly tell me why we need to spend little over a hundred chapters in an arc about doflamingo?

No other author does this. Apart from the guy who wrote Don Quixote, I don't know anyone else who goes off on a tangent at every single story point.

Truth be told, Oda sold out. The One piece arc format deliberately exists to make the series as long as physically possible. Oda doesn't need to drag every island out the way he does. Fishman island could have deadass been 10 chapters. Luffy comes to FI, and sees hody fucking things up. Luffy 1 shots hody, Zoro 1 shots the octopus guy, everyone else is irrelevant but gets a bit of panel time, and Luffy and Zoro KO the fodder by both using CoC. We gets some stuff about shirahoshi and some lore drops, then we move the fuck on.

Same with punk hazard and dressrosa. The yonko are the main villains, not these irrelevant fucks. This is Oda's problem. The man spent 6 years after the timeskip dragging his balls until we finally got into the vs 4 yonko saga. When he finally got to the vs 4 yonko saga, Oda realized he didn't know what the hell he was doing, which is why the second half of WCI feels like a clusterfuck and wano has so many problems.

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When I was a teenager and I got into one piece. I couldn't wait to get to the parts about the emperors, the admirals, and Dragon. I especially was hyped for Dragon meeting Luffy. And yet we're 1000+ chapters into the series and that hasn't happened. Why? Because Oda would rather have Luffy run around each arc like a dumbass and focus on the shitty princesses than characters people actually care about.

The problem with your debate is that this is based on your own preference. I agree things are long but that’s the point of the series. Trying to be the magnum opus of adventure shonen manga as a whole. It’s grand like this intentionally. Now whether it’s always done well by Oda, the grandiose story telling is another thing altogether.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The problem with your debate is that this is based on your own preference. I agree things are long but that’s the point of the series. Trying to be the magnum opus of adventure shonen manga as a whole. It’s grand like this intentionally. Now whether it’s always done well by Oda, the grandiose story telling is another thing altogether.

Silmarillion and GOT are a lot more obsessed with small details than Oda ever was. I don't know what that guy is talking about

If anything Oda even leaves out a lot of "filler" due to the Weekly Manga format and hopes one day someone on SBS can ask about it.

 

[Finalbeta]

Silmarillion and GOT are a lot more obsessed with small details than Oda ever was. I don't know what that guy is talking about

If anything Oda even leaves out a lot of "filler" due to the Weekly Manga format and hopes one day someone on SBS can ask about it.

Bringing the high gunners to the stakes my friend :cheers:

 

[Jet Pistol]

It's more like tragic turn the new gen took with the story. When I was young, I used to expect good sentimental character backstories and some jokes from one piece.

But how many interested in any of it now?

I seen many cheering Perospero when he defeated Carrot and Wanda. My generation wouldn't have done that sorta cheering when some one like Carrot gets beaten. It's almost same as Hilruk and Chopper getting beaten by Wapol. Hilruk was crazy dude, Chopper was useless animal like Carrot who was not at all tapping his full potential at that time. He is still full time cry baby. My point is, the 'fans' are no longer interested in weak and emotional characters. They just want awesome battles and some power scaling madness. It's killing the magic of One piece for them.

Right now the situation is total basket case for younger fans. I am expecting the fandom to turn into more hysterical in coming years.

 

[Pooth]

It's more like tragic turn the new gen took with the story. When I was young, I used to expect good sentimental character backstories and some jokes from one piece.

But how many interested in any of it now?

I seen many cheering Perospero when he defeated Carrot and Wanda. My generation wouldn't have done that sorta cheering when some one like Carrot gets beaten. It's almost same as Hilruk and Chopper getting beaten by Wapol. Hilruk was crazy dude, Chopper was useless animal like Carrot who was not at all tapping his full potential at that time. He is still full time cry baby. My point is, the 'fans' are no longer interested in weak and emotional characters. They just want awesome battles and some power scaling madness. It's killing the magic of One piece for them.

Right now the situation is total basket case for younger fans. I am expecting the fandom to turn into more hysterical in coming years.

You are equating chopper to carrot. What a bunch of nonsense. With carrot you can see the story enlongating for the sake of profit. This story was about dreams and carrot is just waiting the messiah. Carrot and yamato are false characters. They are just used to progress the plot. Chopper is one of the mcs. Do not disrespect my reindeer

 

[Jet Pistol]

You are equating chopper to carrot. What a bunch of nonsense. With carrot you can see the story enlongating for the sake of profit. This story was about dreams and carrot is just waiting the messiah. Carrot and yamato are false characters. They are just used to progress the plot. Chopper is one of the mcs. Do not disrespect my reindeer

You would've hated your reindeer if he is introduced to you now on weekly format.

 

[Pooth]

You would've hated your reindeer if he is introduced to you now on weekly format.

No i would not have. You are completely disregarding what i said about yamato and carrot. Chopper now is not a character which is sad because chopper is my 2nd fav character

 

[Indigo]

It's more like tragic turn the new gen took with the story. When I was young, I used to expect good sentimental character backstories and some jokes from one piece.

But how many interested in any of it now?

I seen many cheering Perospero when he defeated Carrot and Wanda. My generation wouldn't have done that sorta cheering when some one like Carrot gets beaten. It's almost same as Hilruk and Chopper getting beaten by Wapol. Hilruk was crazy dude, Chopper was useless animal like Carrot who was not at all tapping his full potential at that time. He is still full time cry baby. My point is, the 'fans' are no longer interested in weak and emotional characters. They just want awesome battles and some power scaling madness. It's killing the magic of One piece for them.

Right now the situation is total basket case for younger fans. I am expecting the fandom to turn into more hysterical in coming years.

People were cheering for Perospero because Carrot's and Wanda's motivation for going after Perospero is insane.

Perospero didn't kill Pedro, Pedro killed himself, all Perospero did was stay alive.

and anything Perospero did against Pedro was because they were invading his home country.

Carrot's and Wanda's idea of Perospero needs to die because he is the reason Pedro is dead is fucking crazy. Especially when you consider Pedro was going to die anyway even if Perospero didn't do anything and if Pedro didn't blow himself up, his days were numbered.

 

[Jet Pistol]

No i would not have. You are completely disregarding what i said about yamato and carrot. Chopper now is not a character which is sad because chopper is my 2nd fav character

Sure. I believe you. It's not like my statement is final verdict on every problems you guys facing. Read it how you like it.

People were cheering for Perospero because Carrot's and Wanda's motivation for going after Perospero is insane.

Perospero didn't kill Pedro, Pedro killed himself, all Perospero did was stay alive.

and anything Perospero did against Pedro was because they were invading his home country.

Carrot's and Wanda's idea of Perospero needs to die because he is the reason Pedro is dead is fucking crazy. Especially when you consider Pedro was going to die anyway even if Perospero didn't do anything and if Pedro didn't blow himself up, his days were numbered.

You are proving my point. It's not my job to convince you or something. Lol.

 

[Indigo]

You are proving my point. It's not my job to convince you or something. Lol.

No i'm not, comparing Chopper / Hiriluk being beaten by Wapol with Carrot / Wanda being beaten by Perospero makes no sense at all.

Wapol was a piece of shit to Chopper / Hiriluk and the Drum Island Kingdom.

Perospero did nothing against Pedro / Carrot / Wanda, he just survived his carzy ass suicide and was defending his country from an invasion by the Straw Hats, in fact most of the time he is even against what Big Mom decides.

 

[Jet Pistol]

No i'm not, comparing Chopper / Hiriluk being beaten by Wapol with Carrot / Wanda being beaten by Perospero makes no sense at all.

Wapol was a piece of shit to Chopper / Hiriluk and the Drum Island Kingdom.

Perospero did nothing against Pedro / Carrot / Wanda, he just survived his carzy ass suicide and was defending his country from an invasion by the Straw Hats, in fact most of the time he is even against what Big Mom decides.

Are you saying Chopper and Brook would have survived if Pedro didn't kill himself?

I guess Chopper deserved death for invading Big Mom territory.