Current Events Is Wano One of, if Not the Worst One Piece Arc?

[PirateKingDrew]

That's actually not true.

When Oda's writing is actually on point - which it hasn't been for much since the timeskip - the weekly discussions are full of positive vibes and hyping each other up.

Trust me, I'm also an oldtimer. I remember that:

- Sabaody was beloved
- Impel Down was hype
- Marineford was hype
- first part of Dressrosa (until the Birdcage) was well received
- Zou was beloved
- first half of WCI (up until the end of the teaparty) was really well received
- Reverie was just insane hype

There was very little complaining during those parts of the story, because it was simply great to read week for week.

The instances where the overall vibes are getting really negative perfectly correlate with the actual parts of the story, where the writing declines rapidly (bad pacing, questionable plot-decisions etc.):

- Fishman Island (uninteresting villains, questionable pacing)
- second half of Dressrosa (horrible, horrible pacing)
- second half of WCI (horrible pacing again and some really idiotic writing decisions - PIS and plot armor en masse)
- during various parts of Wano, especially the second act (pacing) and the current raid (writing decisions)

which is why i never included them in the complaints bit i talked about except for sabaody, also all the arc you mentioned being hype were short and never suffered teh arc fatigue stage, trust me if they had gone on longer we would have had the same complaints about them that we get for every other arc, once we hit that 35-40 chapter area the complaints always come rolling in cause people realize its been a year since the arc started and know there's at least a whole other year to go.

Sabaody only picked up steam once Rayleigh arrived, to begin with the flying fish stuff and Duval people were disappointed and hated on it cause everyone thought Duval was Don Krieg lol

You'll see in 2 or 3 years time people will love wano just like they do now with all the other 60-100 chapter long arcs
Its nowhere near a perfect arc but its easiy the best of the post time skip era.

 

[Sparda]

WCI is still the worse
But yeah it's one of the worse

 

[lee33]

That's actually not true.

When Oda's writing is actually on point - which it hasn't been for much since the timeskip - the weekly discussions are full of positive vibes and hyping each other up.

Trust me, I'm also an oldtimer. I remember that:

- Sabaody was beloved
- Impel Down was hype
- Marineford was hype
- first part of Dressrosa (until the Birdcage) was well received
- Zou was beloved
- first half of WCI (up until the end of the teaparty) was really well received
- Reverie was just insane hype

There was very little complaining during those parts of the story, because it was simply great to read week for week.

The instances where the overall vibes are getting really negative perfectly correlate with the actual parts of the story, where the writing declines rapidly (bad pacing, questionable plot-decisions etc.):

- Fishman Island (uninteresting villains, questionable pacing)
- second half of Dressrosa (horrible, horrible pacing)
- second half of WCI (horrible pacing again and some really idiotic writing decisions - PIS and plot armor en masse)
- during various parts of Wano, especially the second act (pacing) and the current raid (writing decisions)

I am the biggest One Piece complainer here, and when I was on MangaFox forums I can tell you I never complained about Punk Hazard, I never complained about Dressrosa (other than at the very end but it was very minor criticism). The moment I started complaining about One Piece was the second half of WCI, as you pointed out. This whole notion about "One Piece fatigue waiting week to week" is just another excuse by fanboys to try and rationalize through their cognitive dissonance as you said.

 

[Aster]

which is why i never included them in the complaints bit i talked about except for sabaody, also all the arc you mentioned being hype were short and never suffered teh arc fatigue stage, trust me if they had gone on longer we would have had the same complaints about them that we get for every other arc, once we hit that 35-40 chapter area the complaints always come rolling in cause people realize its been a year since the arc started and know there's at least a whole other year to go.

Sabaody only picked up steam once Rayleigh arrived, to begin with the flying fish stuff and Duval people were disappointed and hated on it cause everyone thought Duval was Don Krieg lol

You'll see in 2 or 3 years time people will love wano just like they do now with all the other 60-100 chapter long arcs
Its nowhere near a perfect arc but its easiy the best of the post time skip era.

for sure 3000% wano will be a fan favorite

 

[notAfanboy]

I am the biggest One Piece complainer here, and when I was on MangaFox forums I can tell you I never complained about Punk Hazard, I never complained about Dressrosa (other than at the very end but it was very minor criticism). The moment I started complaining about One Piece was the second half of WCI, as you pointed out. This whole notion about "One Piece fatigue waiting week to week" is just another excuse by fanboys to try and rationalize through their cognitive dissonance as you said.

Right they say, you are new to weekly mangas, you are not a true fan, go watch anime fillers of Bleach and Naruto, OP is not your cup of tea, like bit** shut up, I know what I am talking about, don't force your thinking on me. And when we do a comparison of similar series and points out pros and cons, they just refuse to talk about it or say "it is different genre". Whatever genre it is, they have to be entertaining and follow some pattern, no other Manga has inconsistency like One Piece.

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You'll see in 2 or 3 years time people will love wano just like they do now with all the other 60-100 chapter long arcs
Its nowhere near a perfect arc but its easiy the best of the post time skip era.

Did you like Spiderman no way home on your first watch, or you had to rewatch it to find good elements in it?

If I don't like something on its first read, why would I go back to read it again?
This is the dumbest excuse.

An arc takes 3-4 years to complete, and then you need to wait another 2-3 years to reread it or change your opinion about that particular arc, is it good writing?

 

[Stack Bundles Chinx]

For me its the complete opposite. Wano is fire. Have to think about which arcs could be better. Maybe sabaody , marine ford and skypea but thats it.

 

[dirtyLarry]

For me its the complete opposite. Wano is fire. Have to think about which arcs could be better. Maybe sabaody , marine ford and skypea but thats it.

It's totally fine, if you love the arc (or dislike it) .

Nobody should have any problem with that personal preference.

Problem is if ones personal feelings/opinions cloud the judgment, when we're talking about the actual writing.

 

[Pooth]

Wano is disasterclass
Wano is a disasterpiece
Wano is Woe Tale

Wano is the worst arc in shounen. The amount of money generated is laughable. Wano is a pyramidal scam

 

[MonsterKaido]

Wano is disasterclass
Wano is a disasterpiece
Wano is Woe Tale

Wano is the worst arc in shounen. The amount of money generated is laughable. Wano is a pyramidal scam

How many manga's have you read? Calling it the worst arc in shounen is laughable lol

 

[Pooth]

How many manga's have you read? Calling it the worst arc in shounen is laughable lol

No it is not. An author who repeats the same panels over and over again and convolutes the story with fake tension that will be resolved in an unimpactful way or worse in a bad joke kind of way clearly is just is trolling his audience. Wano is garbage. Eichiro Oda is a troll for selling waste to the masses

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

What? Obvious is not, is one of the bests.

MF>Wano=Water 7.

 

[MonsterKaido]

No it is not. An author who repeats the same panels over and over again and convolutes the story with fake tension that will be resolved in an unimpactful way or worse in a bad joke kind of way clearly is just is trolling his audience. Wano is garbage. Eichiro Oda is a troll for selling waste to the masses

--You didn't answer my question though -- You said it's worst in entire shounen genre which far from truth and if something is garbage it won't be among the best selling manga's lol ; sure there are bunch of things which are bad but that is separate thing

 

[Pooth]

--You didn't answer my question though -- You said it's worst in entire shounen genre which far from truth and if something is garbage it won't be among the best selling manga's lol ; sure there are bunch of things which are bad but that is separate thing

Does a broken product being sold make the product itself good?

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What? Obvious is not, is one of the bests.

MF>Wano=Water 7.

Damn bro You are tempting me to insult you with your taste ngl

 

[PirateKingDrew]

Right they say, you are new to weekly mangas, you are not a true fan, go watch anime fillers of Bleach and Naruto, OP is not your cup of tea, like bit** shut up, I know what I am talking about, don't force your thinking on me. And when we do a comparison of similar series and points out pros and cons, they just refuse to talk about it or say "it is different genre". Whatever genre it is, they have to be entertaining and follow some pattern, no other Manga has inconsistency like One Piece.

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Did you like Spiderman no way home on your first watch, or you had to rewatch it to find good elements in it?

If I don't like something on its first read, why would I go back to read it again?
This is the dumbest excuse.

An arc takes 3-4 years to complete, and then you need to wait another 2-3 years to reread it or change your opinion about that particular arc, is it good writing?

tthat has nothing to do with writing, its just how manga works, if you catch up you have no choice but to either wait and binge it or read it week by week following the story slowly over time.

If you dont wish to consume a product a second time thats your choice. But Many people who love series read or watch it many times, I've read the one piece manga from start to current 3 times along with many other series like Dragon Ball and YuYu Hakusho. I'm in teh process now of reading Naruto the wohle way through for a 3rd time and Bleach for a 2nd.
There are things you only notice in a series when you read it a second time, like picking up on forshadowing and hints that you missed before.
Calling a re-read an excuse it just laziness on your part.

No Idea what spider-man has to do with this as movies are a completely different medium and yes i liked it, was a good 2 hours of entertainment, i'll probaby watch it again when its on TV.

 

[Pooth]

tthat has nothing to do with writing, its just how manga works, if you catch up you have no choice but to either wait and binge it or read it week by week following the story slowly over time

Jesus Christ bro why dont you make a thread called wano is a great arc and have people agree with you. I will not reply there i promise.

I can not understand how rational people can defend this fecies. I feel like I am christopher hitchens and am talking to religious extremists.

 

[notAfanboy]

tthat has nothing to do with writing, its just how manga works, if you catch up you have no choice but to either wait and binge it or read it week by week following the story slowly over time.

If you dont wish to consume a product a second time thats your choice. But Many people who love series read or watch it many times, I've read the one piece manga from start to current 3 times along with many other series like Dragon Ball and YuYu Hakusho. I'm in teh process now of reading Naruto the wohle way through for a 3rd time and Bleach for a 2nd.
There are things you only notice in a series when you read it a second time, like picking up on forshadowing and hints that you missed before.
Calling a re-read an excuse it just laziness on your part.

No Idea what spider-man has to do with this as movies are a completely different medium and yes i liked it, was a good 2 hours of entertainment, i'll probaby watch it again when its on TV.

"Many people who read or love series rewatch/reread it"

This is also subjective. Manga/anime is a source of entertainment, if it is not entertaining at the first watch/read, I won't read it again. Just like how I won't go to rewatch a movie I didnt like.

It is not being lazy, it is the author not keeping me hooked to the story.

If you dont have any idea about a movie, i.e., basic story telling, the highs and lows of an arc, the climax, answering the questions and giving a satisfying end/conclusion to the story, then I dont have anything else to say to you.

Now consider Big Mom, she has been around from Fishman Island to Zhou, WCI and now in Wano. She is still going to be relevant in next arcs, or when Luffy defeats her in WCI.

This is not me being lazy, it is the author who keeps on dragging the story, so the reader is bound to lose interest and not take this drama seriously.

This is just one example.

The off-screening of Reverie is another thing. The blind followers dont know what is happening. If the narration is all you need, then why not release a novel? If something has happened show it on panels, dont make people anticipate things that you are never going to show on panels.

 

[Finalbeta]

I have seen WCI how could I pick something else

 

[PirateKingDrew]

"Many people who read or love series rewatch/reread it"

This is also subjective. Manga/anime is a source of entertainment, if it is not entertaining at the first watch/read, I won't read it again. Just like how I won't go to rewatch a movie I didnt like.

It is not being lazy, it is the author not keeping me hooked to the story.

If you dont have any idea about a movie, i.e., basic story telling, the highs and lows of an arc, the climax, answering the questions and giving a satisfying end/conclusion to the story, then I dont have anything else to say to you.

Now consider Big Mom, she has been around from Fishman Island to Zhou, WCI and now in Wano. She is still going to be relevant in next arcs, or when Luffy defeats her in WCI.

This is not me being lazy, it is the author who keeps on dragging the story, so the reader is bound to lose interest and not take this drama seriously.

This is just one example.

The off-screening of Reverie is another thing. The blind followers dont know what is happening. If the narration is all you need, then why not release a novel? If something has happened show it on panels, dont make people anticipate things that you are never going to show on panels.

for someone who's not hooked by teh story you've certainly done well to make it 1,040 chapters into something that you dislike, why waste so much of your time on a story you dislike?

What's wrong if Big Mom is still relevant? her story is tied to Elbaf and the giants, her character arc doesn't finish till thats resolved, she's been built up as a massive rival to Luffy for a decade and the pay off is coming at Elbaf.
oh wait tahts basic story telling that i apparntly dont udnerstand isnt it lol you dont like oda's choices thats fine but dont pretend that they aret there.

Whats the big deal if rivals remain in the story? Piccolo and Vegeta remained in Dragonball after their defeats and became allies, who's to say Big Mom wont become part of the grand fleet or final war alliance should Luffy restore her relationship to Elbaf?
Hie in Yuyu Hakusho, Orochimaru in Naruto, and so amny more, this is pretty common you know.
Like i said all people seem to want now is instant satisfaction, they have no patientce to see plots reach a natural end cause they cant be bothered waiting years for it.

The off-screening of Reverie will be the world event section that seperates Wano from the next arc, how is this not obvious, he's done it at the end of each act of wano, building to the big reveals that sets the stage for the next big event, the same way Jaya and post-enies lobby eventually built to marineford.
its simply yet another, i want everything now attitude, i dont wanna wait cause i'm impatiant.

One Piece's basic story structure hasn't changed from day 1 and it's not going to, you'll simply have to be patient like the rest of us and wait till Oda decides its time for the big reveals.
I've been waiting to find out what the actual one piece is for 16 years, do you have nay idea how much it would have sucked if Rayleigh had told us what it is back at sabaody when usopp asked, its just like luffy said it would have made getting to it boring,
We're not getting anything on the will of D, Void century atill we get to laugh tale just like we're not getting anythingf rom the Reverie till wano is over.

masking your impatiantce as complaints to oda's basic story structure that has been in place since the beginning just makes you look like a spoilt child wanting everything spoon fed to you.

but i agree with one thing you said, we do not agree so best to not say anything anymore.
best of luck reading the remaining 300 chapters or so cause they're going to be excatly the same as the first 1040.

 

[notAfanboy]

for someone who's not hooked by teh story you've certainly done well to make it 1,040 chapters into something that you dislike, why waste so much of your time on a story you dislike?

What's wrong if Big Mom is still relevant? her story is tied to Elbaf and the giants, her character arc doesn't finish till thats resolved, she's been built up as a massive rival to Luffy for a decade and the pay off is coming at Elbaf.
oh wait tahts basic story telling that i apparntly dont udnerstand isnt it lol you dont like oda's choices thats fine but dont pretend that they aret there.

Whats the big deal if rivals remain in the story? Piccolo and Vegeta remained in Dragonball after their defeats and became allies, who's to say Big Mom wont become part of the grand fleet or final war alliance should Luffy restore her relationship to Elbaf?
Hie in Yuyu Hakusho, Orochimaru in Naruto, and so amny more, this is pretty common you know.
Like i said all people seem to want now is instant satisfaction, they have no patientce to see plots reach a natural end cause they cant be bothered waiting years for it.

The off-screening of Reverie will be the world event section that seperates Wano from the next arc, how is this not obvious, he's done it at the end of each act of wano, building to the big reveals that sets the stage for the next big event, the same way Jaya and post-enies lobby eventually built to marineford.
its simply yet another, i want everything now attitude, i dont wanna wait cause i'm impatiant.

One Piece's basic story structure hasn't changed from day 1 and it's not going to, you'll simply have to be patient like the rest of us and wait till Oda decides its time for the big reveals.
I've been waiting to find out what the actual one piece is for 16 years, do you have nay idea how much it would have sucked if Rayleigh had told us what it is back at sabaody when usopp asked, its just like luffy said it would have made getting to it boring,
We're not getting anything on the will of D, Void century atill we get to laugh tale just like we're not getting anythingf rom the Reverie till wano is over.

masking your impatiantce as complaints to oda's basic story structure that has been in place since the beginning just makes you look like a spoilt child wanting everything spoon fed to you.

but i agree with one thing you said, we do not agree so best to not say anything anymore.
best of luck reading the remaining 300 chapters or so cause they're going to be excatly the same as the first 1040.

Lmao GTFO.

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for someone who's not hooked by teh story you've certainly done well to make it 1,040 chapters into something that you dislike, why waste so much of your time on a story you dislike?

What's wrong if Big Mom is still relevant? her story is tied to Elbaf and the giants, her character arc doesn't finish till thats resolved, she's been built up as a massive rival to Luffy for a decade and the pay off is coming at Elbaf.
oh wait tahts basic story telling that i apparntly dont udnerstand isnt it lol you dont like oda's choices thats fine but dont pretend that they aret there.

Whats the big deal if rivals remain in the story? Piccolo and Vegeta remained in Dragonball after their defeats and became allies, who's to say Big Mom wont become part of the grand fleet or final war alliance should Luffy restore her relationship to Elbaf?
Hie in Yuyu Hakusho, Orochimaru in Naruto, and so amny more, this is pretty common you know.
Like i said all people seem to want now is instant satisfaction, they have no patientce to see plots reach a natural end cause they cant be bothered waiting years for it.

The off-screening of Reverie will be the world event section that seperates Wano from the next arc, how is this not obvious, he's done it at the end of each act of wano, building to the big reveals that sets the stage for the next big event, the same way Jaya and post-enies lobby eventually built to marineford.
its simply yet another, i want everything now attitude, i dont wanna wait cause i'm impatiant.

One Piece's basic story structure hasn't changed from day 1 and it's not going to, you'll simply have to be patient like the rest of us and wait till Oda decides its time for the big reveals.
I've been waiting to find out what the actual one piece is for 16 years, do you have nay idea how much it would have sucked if Rayleigh had told us what it is back at sabaody when usopp asked, its just like luffy said it would have made getting to it boring,
We're not getting anything on the will of D, Void century atill we get to laugh tale just like we're not getting anythingf rom the Reverie till wano is over.

masking your impatiantce as complaints to oda's basic story structure that has been in place since the beginning just makes you look like a spoilt child wanting everything spoon fed to you.

but i agree with one thing you said, we do not agree so best to not say anything anymore.
best of luck reading the remaining 300 chapters or so cause they're going to be excatly the same as the first 1040.

I discussed the same with someone else before you.

You used the "what are you doing here if you dont like it" card,

He used "only Japanese audience matters" card.

I showed him this: Article

I am still waiting for his reply after 2-3 days. 🤣

There is a reason why people give reviews to shows and rate them.

Go there and tell them why you bother to come back and give shit reviews if you dont like the show 😂

How dumb can you be?

Optards will never talk about the actual flaws.

You said Oda used Reverie updates to hype the next arc.

Ohhhh, but the reverie arc is already over.
The revo army's first big raid is already off screened. What we will get is tid bids of fights and narration boxes.

" I want it now attitude "

I dont want it now dumbo, I want it at the end of an arc. I want a proper build up, climax, and conclusion to each arc.

I asked similar questions in 2012, people said the sane thing as you are saying now "I want it now".

Guess what, I believed them, and now here we are. The same shit show. My speculations proved right and I see more people talking about this. The difference is the retards like you have reduced in numbers or have taken defensive stance, and the numbers of those who agree with the issues have increased.

 

[PirateKingDrew]

Lmao GTFO.

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I discussed the same with someone else before you.

You used the "what are you doing here if you dont like it" card,

He used "only Japanese audience matters" card.

I showed him this: Article

I am still waiting for his reply after 2-3 days. 🤣

There is a reason why people give reviews to shows and rate them.

Go there and tell them why you bother to come back and give shit reviews if you dont like the show 😂

How dumb can you be?

Optards will never talk about the actual flaws.

You said Oda used Reverie updates to hype the next arc.

Ohhhh, but the reverie arc is already over.
The revo army's first big raid is already off screened. What we will get is tid bids of fights and narration boxes.

" I want it now attitude "

I dont want it now dumbo, I want it at the end of an arc. I want a proper build up, climax, and conclusion to each arc.

I asked similar questions in 2012, people said the sane thing as you are saying now "I want it now".

Guess what, I believed them, and now here we are. The same shit show. My speculations proved right and I see more people talking about this. The difference is the retards like you have reduced in numbers or have taken defensive stance, and the numbers of those who agree with the issues have increased.

resorting to petty insults, thats pretty pathetic. and a clear sign you lost this debate. thats all i need to know now. thanks for participating.