Lmao
No, I'm afraid that you think you are making sence.
The "you are moving the goal post" thing... is that specific to Yamato fan's on that forum ? It's feels like you goto when you don't know what to reply...
The problem is that I feel like you read half my sentences everytime I make a comment.. so it must be quite hard for you to actually follow what I'm saying.
Again like always,
you are inventing something I never said because you seems to be reading only the first half of my sentence (or one 1/2 words I don't really know..):
NEVER did I say that Momo should be prepare for Kaido, I said that only Yamato could train Momo because she spent her life fighting with a dragon > Do you really not understand the meaning of my sentence here ?
In short I was only saying that Momo should be trained, and because she fought a dragon, Yamato should know the best to do that... that's all. Why are you inventing things ?
Read carefully please...
That's the goto of every Yamato fans and I can't really take you appart from everyone so .. here you go.. My excuses.
So.. you agree that the parrallelism between Yamato and Oden as an argument for her recruitment is bogus ?
This is a legitimate question. Following your argumentation, Shipping Yamato and Momo wouldn't be disgusting as Momo is a "grown up man".. Of course I find that disgusting but their is not logical reason for you to find that disgusting... isn't it ?
Woops..!
Yup, still holds, and ?
Okay my bad, I went back to the discussion and you indeed only complained about pacing out of context. Only my point on pacing stands.
My excuses.
Those panels are not a waste. They all serve a purpose of narrative recontextualisation. Like I said, because you don't see the purpose of those panels doesn't mean they is none. Never forget that Oda is writing for both a VOLUME audiance and a CHAPTER one. Even if you as dilligent reader knows the status of the situation, readers who reads the chapters more casually are not in the same case. Panel of recontextualization are therefore a necessity for a good reading session.
In fact that one of the parameters that makes One Piece so easy to follow. Despite thecomplete explosion of the battlefield, you know EXACTLY what and who is doing what.. and where. recontextualization panels are one thing that Manga authors are often forgetting.. Making the action completely unreadable for the casual audience.
In fact, I was not putting myself into that specific category. I only take into notice the arc themes and the big picture once the arcs are completely finished, plus, I'm currently focus on only one specific part of the storyline. I was talking more about those who are analysing the arc and reading it as a whole.
Lmao
But you don't understand one thing. There is two type of Filler:
The one category where you expend the story (which should honestly not be called "filler") by adding midcanon scenes
&
The one category where a new storyline is invented.
I'm only talking about the second one.
Either way. NONE of those category applies to a manga serie like One Piece
, you won't find ANY filler in the story.
Yes. And because of that I can apply the following narrative logic: If Carrot was the focus on one panel after her defeat (who is by essence an unresolve plot line [because of the nature of defeats]) it means that Oda is NOT deciding that Carrot will fade away with the Mink tribe in the storyline. Therefore because of that principle and because the defeat is by essence an unresolve plotline, we can make the assumption that Oda is planning something for Carrot again. Might it be small or big.
It's simple narrative logic.
Nothing more.
I agree with that in fact. But the panel time means one things : The importance of the character in a said storyline. And the panel time of Carrot in whole cake is clear: Carrot matters. Now, this panel time does not fade aways because we are moving in Wano. It stays the same. The only answer is therefore : Carrot was important for whole cake but not for Wano. The question is: Why ? That is when you dissect everything that happened in whole cake: We had time for strawhats development and interactions. We had time to developp Carrot story. This is why Carrot's storyline in whole cake is so important. It's a setup.
Trust me that EVERY theorist of today would have been able to predict Robin. Why ? Becausee, like Carrot, there were unresolve storylines concerning Robin, and unresolved mystery. In fact I can assure you that the MOMENT Robin appeared (chapter 114), this was possible to at least "theorize" it. Again.. why ?
Because Robin's first appearance is constructed like a lot of character falling into the category of "false adversary".
Let me explain: in most stories there are different type of characters that comes back again.. and again because of the nature of a story itself:
- The protagonist
- The ally
- The antagonist
- The false ally
- The false adversary
There is more but those are not so important here. In One Piece you can see those come back again and again, arcs after arcs withone exception: Most of the time there is no false ally. Because of a simple reason: Oda constructed Luffy as a social magnet, so it's very unlikely for characters to betray the heroes.
Wano is in fact one of the only arc where there is a real false ally:
Yamato (and Robin) are falling into the "false adversary" category. Yamato was introduced as kaido's son, so by essence as an adversary, but rapidely swiched, Robin on the other hand took more time, but the construction was similar. You have to understand that for a good adversary to work, the character must be setup very early with "ally" specificity. That's why the fact that Robin was depicted as a false adversary and the fact that she took the hat on her own head directly.. made it theorically possible to predict Robin as a future strawhat directly on her first appearance.
Sorry for my rambling but I hope that you understand now that with very little as a narration technique and a simple gesture of the character.. we can actually predict a
LOT of things. If this was the case for Robin, this was actually no different for Franky (a false adversary too) or for Brook or Jinbe. Each one of them was easy to predict for the ones who really analysed the story.
This is no different for Carrot. You need to understand that I'm working on this case for years. I have dissected the story like a frog in a classroom. I know every inch of Carrot's story.. and when I say that there are clews (massive one) that Carrot will join the crew.. I don't lie. The clews are massive. But they are not obvious.
You should know that: once a pirate.. always a pirate.
Of course, but there is a difference between a lot of Panels and a chapter focused almost entirely on the beauty and the mysticalness of said transformation.. Even for gear fourth or Second, Oda never did that much descriptive panelling.
Why ? There is no rule saying that Oda should put the future strawhats under the light. In fact, he did the same for Robin by putting her into the shadows (yes she had a bit more meaning but the construction is the same : the shadows)
And Carrot plays a major role in whole cake. Oda only put her in shadows in Wano.
if this was the case, Oda would have put her back with the minks as a background character. This was not the case:
Yamato was
never depicted as a strawhat. Carrot was.
