[FNZ] Role Madness Game 02: The Ascent of the Space Pirates

[Kiwipom]

@Kiwipom and @Law why you guys are silent? You played instrumental role in NW lynching and kiwi you were also involved with rej as picked by tac...

Sorry I was gonna comment but was busy all morning. I know I was involved but I think the lynch wasn’t baseless. The arguments I made are reasonable because NW did have a lot of inconsistencies in his post.
And this to me makes TAC more suspicious. Now seeing the reactions, I don’t like how he, despite being the first to suspect NW, is trying to shift the blame to me. I made a case against NW with evidences. He started a lynch and piggy backed off me and Law and was urging people to vote NW.

 

[Law]

Dear townies, please, please, I am begging you, please play the game and not cause a mislynch. I did not believe NW's explanation and I was sure he was scum, look at his behavior throughout the whole game and after players calling him out, it was hella suspicious. But I was wrong as in case with Fuji and I feel shitty.
I asked a question about independent and I do believe there is one in the game and I have two players in mind who it might be. I don't know why, but I am getting Rej's game dejavu

 

[Kiwipom]

Dear townies, please, please, I am begging you, please play the game and not cause a mislynch. I did not believe NW's explanation and I was sure he was scum, look at his behavior throughout the whole game and after players calling him out, it was hella suspicious. But I was wrong as in case with Fuji and I feel shitty.
I asked a question about independent and I do believe there is one in the game and I have two players in mind who it might be. I don't know why, but I am getting Rej's game dejavu

What are your reads? Who is highest on your suspect list?

 

[Law]

Current VC:

Celestia: 1
Reborn: 1
Denim: 1
Fujishiro: 1

Rej --> Denim --> Unvote --> Kiwipom --> Unvote
Denim --> Rej --> Unvote --> Celestia
Celestia --> TAC --> Unvote
Zoro D Goat --> Reborn
NeutralWatcher --> Denim
Kiwipom --> Fujishiro

I am still confused on how Rej was set on Kiwi, I want to know why.
What's interesting here is that Rej voted for Denim and Kiwi, NW voted for Denim, they were all confirmed town.
Kiwi voted for Fuji(town), but then again I would have put my vote on him too.
Denim voted for Rej (town), but unvoted.
Zoro (town) voted for Reborn

@TheAncientCenturion Would you mind explaining again why you haven't voted D1?

Current VC:

NeutralWatcher: 4
Celestia: 1
Denim: 1
Law: 1

Denim --> Celestia
Celestia --> Denim
Zoro D Goat --> Law
TAC --> NeutralWatcher
Kiwipom --> NeutralWatcher
Law --> NeutralWatcher
Reborn --> NeutralWatcher

@TheAncientCenturion
@Law
@Denim
@Zoro D Goat
@Celestia
@Kiwipom
@Reborn
@NeutralWatcher

Zoro (town) voted for Law
TAC, Kiwi, Law, and Reborn all voted for NW (town).

To be honest, @Kiwipom I am not sure what to think, who is who. Mafia is blending in nicely? I didn't like the way the last dayphase ended, TAC questioning Reborn made me think something is not right and I considered them both town. Can TAC be scum? Can Reborn be scum? Can Denim considering Reborn a hard town be scum? Can any of them be indie which doesn't help town?

 

[Law]

@Denim You don't seem to be your usual self today and not as active or involved as the previous days. Why is that?

 

[Law]

I was curious how the NW lynch started and I wanted to see the exact interactions and who said what and when.

Here is when NW is being first brought up last dayphase:

Yes...what you think about NW and his voting and frequently changing stance?

As for Neutral watcher—I am neutral. I can’t remember anything they did this thread.

NW voted for Denim and this phase he considers him town. Why such a sudden change in opinion, going from voting for him to today thinking he is town. What changed?

I have few questions for you. Don't Dodge them if you are townie.


First you casted vote out of nowhere on these two that too in your first post

Question 1)Why double vote? Didn't you read the op?

Question 2) if you would have been in my place then would you perceive this act as newbie mistake or mafia playing dumb? Justify

Then your second post is this

Question 3) in your second post you jumped to rej and called him sus.What changed you mind from denim and Celestia to rej?

I can't quote further so will mention here.

On page 6, you shifted from rej to denim and casted vote on him.

Question 4) what in the world changed your mind again from rej to denim to such extent that you even casted vote on him?

On page 8, you again changed your mind to Celestia and called her sus...

Question 5) aren't you changing your stance too frequently?

Question 6) you only made 5 post and all of them are like this with no reads on game play and on others. Why? I am sure you are smart enough to give your opinion and reads then why being so secretive?

On the other hand, I want to know why @NeutralWatcher you changed your stance from Denim is scum:



to Denim is town and Celestia is scum:



It seems that you are just agreeing with what the majority is saying

Neutralwatcher is suspicious though, I don't think I noticed his floppiness. I'd appreciate some background on his views.

Vote Lynch @NeutralWatcher @Finalbeta

Let's see his reaction. We need to move the game around a bit more, I'm a little uncomfortable with the inactivity.


Because he's not trying to hide what he's doing. Drago is out in the open, blatant as can be, and unless this is 4D Mafia chess (doubtful), he's just barking up the wrong tree with you. He's far too open and inquisitive to be scum, he's encouraging discussion.

Pretty much, Reborn, TAC, Law, and Kiwi were discussing NW and asking him about his Denim and Celestia vote which was confusing. I also wanted to go back to see who voted for him first, and looks like TAC is lying here saying it was started by Kiwi:

It was started by Kiwi.

Not a good look to not say truth.
You were the one who voted for NW first after it was brought up to your attention by Kiwi. But another funny thing is that I also mentioned it before Kiwi and Reborn did too, but you only noticed it after Kiwi posted about it? I cannot be clear or sure about it, but that's how it looks. You put your vote on NW, the first vote, only after Kiwi talked about NW. You didn't notice other players talking about him? Reborn's long post and his numerous questions to NW? It is all in quotes. You also didn't want to answer Reborn's question on your opinion about NW right away, but after some pressure you finally said what you thought about NW.
Moreover, I wanted to see if there was a player in danger and being voted for while NW situation was going on, but there wasn't.

 

[Celestia]

Moreover, I wanted to see if there was a player in danger and being voted for while NW situation was going on, but there wasn't.

It was easy deflection , ppl would take more convincing to vote against me or drago

Lynching a newbie would be easier for ppl who jumped on this bw and wanted this opportunity cuz NW don't really know how to defend himself which is why this whole bw was fishy and I don't see how someone experienced like Drago who is supposedly town should agree with it

You're not gonna get a reaction out of someone by blatantly saying "let's see their reaction". They now know what you're trying to do and won't fall for it.

We'll see how they act and what they'll use to defend themselves. That's good enough.

the way TAC interacting with Drago is
fishy this we look more like referring to him and drago than the others

Legit the lynch was useless even stated by Drago but later he is suddenly convinced

Vote Lynch Denim

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I am still confused on how Rej was set on Kiwi, I want to know why.
What's interesting here is that Rej voted for Denim and Kiwi, NW voted for Denim, they were all confirmed town.
Kiwi voted for Fuji(town), but then again I would have put my vote on him too.
Denim voted for Rej (town), but unvoted.
Zoro (town) voted for Reborn

@TheAncientCenturion Would you mind explaining again why you haven't voted D1?

Zoro (town) voted for Law
TAC, Kiwi, Law, and Reborn all voted for NW (town).

To be honest, @Kiwipom I am not sure what to think, who is who. Mafia is blending in nicely? I didn't like the way the last dayphase ended, TAC questioning Reborn made me think something is not right and I considered them both town. Can TAC be scum? Can Reborn be scum? Can Denim considering Reborn a hard town be scum? Can any of them be indie which doesn't help town?

Certainly.

I think Day 1 was a real mess. A lot of the posts, in my opinion, didn't hold any weight to them. It was a bunch of squabbling between townies or people who I had no reason to immediately suspect wrong doings of. If you wanna go back to Day 1, I got into an argument with Reborn about this before the day Phase Ended.

I questioned Reborn on his logic—which I still think is inconsistent for a town, but given the way events unfolded, I'm left believing Reborn is more likely to be a townie. Afterall Law, if someone suspects someone is suspicious, then decided to vote for someone else, wouldn't that cause some questions to go off in your head?

I was curious how the NW lynch started and I wanted to see the exact interactions and who said what and when.

Here is when NW is being first brought up last dayphase:








Pretty much, Reborn, TAC, Law, and Kiwi were discussing NW and asking him about his Denim and Celestia vote which was confusing. I also wanted to go back to see who voted for him first, and looks like TAC is lying here saying it was started by Kiwi:

Not a good look to not say truth.
You were the one who voted for NW first after it was brought up to your attention by Kiwi. But another funny thing is that I also mentioned it before Kiwi and Reborn did too, but you only noticed it after Kiwi posted about it? I cannot be clear or sure about it, but that's how it looks. You put your vote on NW, the first vote, only after Kiwi talked about NW. You didn't notice other players talking about him? Reborn's long post and his numerous questions to NW? It is all in quotes. You also didn't want to answer Reborn's question on your opinion about NW right away, but after some pressure you finally said what you thought about NW.
Moreover, I wanted to see if there was a player in danger and being voted for while NW situation was going on, but there wasn't.

I wouldn't say I was lying before, misconstruing what was asking, maybe.

NW was called by so many players but never replied and explained himself. Yeah no, something is not right here.
After reading Denim's posts filled of explanations of how mafia should be played over and over again, I still didn't find any NW's explanations.

Vote Lynch @NeutralWatcher @Finalbeta

ANd it's not like I'm the only user who had reasons to suspect Neutralwatcher, or it became a quick dogpile. There was a significant amount of discussion from when I first voted, to Kiwi, to Law. And then later when I pressured Reborn to vote.

We would all assume the Mafia would be someone who later joined in on the vote, as it hide and shift blame from themselves to whoever either started it or started the 'investigation' of said player.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Of the remaining players, this is how I view them.

Town—

Denim
Law (his efforts in breaking down the previous day makes it feel obvious?)

Positive Inclination Towards—

Reborn (again, if he was mafia he should've been more eager to side with me. Though could be tactic)

Neutral—
Kiwi
Celestia


If it helps to clear my name (and I am allowed to do this in the game), I'll be happy to reveal my role. My only concern here is, after I do, we need to lynch someone pronto. Otherwise I'll be dead tonight since our Doctor is no more.

 

[Kiwipom]

the way TAC interacting with Drago is
fishy this we look more like referring to him and drago than the others

Legit the lynch was useless even stated by Drago but later he is suddenly convinced

Vote Lynch Denim

If Denim was scum, I don't see why he would of alluded that he is interesting in jumping on to the NW bandwagon when clearly, NW was already on the chopping block. Let's assume that he is mafia and knows that NW would flip town, it would be easier for him to not comment so he can stay clear of the list of players that mislynched NW

 

[Celestia]

If Denim was scum, I don't see why he would of alluded that he is interesting in jumping on to the NW bandwagon when clearly, NW was already on the chopping block. Let's assume that he is mafia and knows that NW would flip town, it would be easier for him to not comment so he can stay clear of the list of players that mislynched NW

Idk what was he thinking or his calculation but after all I saw he ain't town

he was there so he had to comment on the topic to not look weird I guess and he agreed to the lynch easily , town drago wouldnt be this opportunistic

 

[Dragomir]

So you still think I am scum? If Yes then give reasons


You are repeatedly crying that she is scum...but I didn't see you building a solid case against her.

Do you simply want us to believe your words and take them for granted? She has posted enough so why don't you try to build a case with a solid write up and try to convince us that she is scum with solid evidence? If you do with Enough convinicing points then I will cast vote on her but if the points aren't consistent or solid enough and I found that you are simply pushing agenda here then you are getting my vote.

No, I don't.

Man, i have built my case. I did that throughout arguing with her. Go read it again.

 

[Dragomir]

@Denim You don't seem to be your usual self today and not as active or involved as the previous days. Why is that?

Because I was at school. Can't use my phone there.

 

[Law]

I don't want another mislynch, guys

 

[Dragomir]

That's not the point
it's like after Kiwi pointed she found nw is fishy u used that opportunity cuz u thought he was an easy mislynch and a good redirection

I don't see how lynching a guy who didn't interact much with others is gonna help town and in Drago's case who is supposed to be a vet player to also jump on it should just expose him

He is experienced player who should tell part a messy newbie town play and a scum newbie which most of them don't post much or get backed up by their scum buddies

If he was town he should have considered it

I love how you use this logic when the quiet newby got lynched and flipped town. So this has already been debunked by the game itself.

 

[Dragomir]

I think it's down to TAC and Celestia.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I think it's down to TAC and Celestia.

Alright. I asked @Finalbeta and he says so long as I don't give my character name or copy-paste his description (explain in my own words), I am free to do so.

My role is Explorer and I have the ability to essentially stalk someone and see what they do at night. I can give my results/findings, but if I do, I could jeopardize other town members.

 

[Reborn]

I think it's down to TAC and Celestia.

Why tac?

 

[Kiwipom]

Alright. I asked @Finalbeta and he says so long as I don't give my character name or copy-paste his description (explain in my own words), I am free to do so.

My role is Explorer and I have the ability to essentially stalk someone and see what they do at night. I can give my results/findings, but if I do, I could jeopardize other town members.

But isn’t this very similar to Rej’s role?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

But isn’t this very similar to Rej’s role?

Rej was an investigator, so he could see what your role was. I'm an Explorer, so I can see your actions at night. But not what happens to the person I target.