Hoping the threat to die, because their favorite character chance is threatened, only then using the victim card that disliking Carrot = virilist, sexist, toxic masculinity, etc.
To go so hard against a character that's very heavily implied to be a member of the crew would only lead to that person hurting themselves in the long run. I speak from experience that during the time that I was trying to justify Yamato not joining it only lead to a lot of stress since she had way too many things going for her. Things got a lot better after accepting the fact that she will most likely join.
Thinking back on it, it's definitely weird to me since there isn't really anything preventing Oda from having 2 members join at the same time other than that he hasn't done it before. Which is one of the reasons why I don't go along with the "one or the other argument." I've found it a lot less stressful to root for both Carrot and Yamato.
It wouldn't even be that farfetched if Oda did it this time around if you consider how Zou was connected to both WCI and Wano, Wano and WCI connected to each other, and the relationship between the minks and the samurai (remember that Yamato wants to be a samurai as well). Carrot is having a bit of a rough go of things right now, but the vibe I get from looking at the big picture from Zou to now is that it's a possibility if the cards play right.
Carrot4Nakama were everywhere on every forum and platform. They were bigger than any of the Dressrosa trains, and Barto was the 9th most popular in 2015. Even bigger than Monet4Nakama. Sulong reveal became the new #1 argument getting spammed and that was near the end of WCI.
Carrot4Nakama started dying off in Wano cause Carrot started doing the opposite of what Oda does for SH writing.
You are confusing a strong fanbase and a big one. Carrot was the only worthy candidate so of course there were hype trains on foums about her. But it doesn't mean that this hype was spreaded to the community. In fact the main argument in the fan base at the time was that Jinbe was supposed to be the last strawhat. And trust I know what I'm talking about here, I FOUGHT it on multiple forum and multiple community.
At the time, the Carrot hate (like we can see here) was relatively low. But still.. there was no place for her. Only some reactors (some) , and certains section of forum were spreading the love.
Then came Sulong and instead of having a good impact, I saw hate starting to overflow.
That hate became the main counter argument against Carrot at the very begiining on Wano, at a moment were all the strawhats weren't even there.
Carrot was number 8 in the first world popularity poll. So you don’t consider Carrot as 8th most popular character, where that many people believed she was one of the strongest candidates?
Yeah and this comes from someone who said “Carrot is not my favorite character, not even the second one”
Did your mama give birth to you in a circus? Because your existence is nothing but a joke, dude
Yeah lol.. We have a very strong fan base. 388500 is really nothing when you take into account that each member of the fanbase of Carrot voted each day and that multiple compaign took place with famous people because of the Nakama War.
The reason Yamato lost is only because her fan were desorganised and did not vote continuously. We - on the other hand - did, we made sure of that.
The Carrot fanbase is still very small and will stay that way at least until the end of Wano.
You will find very few Nakama fan who are thinking that way or are anti-Jinbe. Carrot and Jinbe are completementary so they come in pair, it's natural for us.
You got it wrong. Disliking a character is fine. But obsessing negatively (as I can see here most of the time) over a character is a proof of toxic masculinity, all the more when the argument are made to clash a girl doing her best and having a shining moment.
Concerning the virilist stuff, it's not about Carrot it's about liking Yamato. The main reason why fan turn toward Yamato was FIRSTLY because Yamato was introduced as Kaido's son. Then because Yamato is strong. Then, because Yamato clashed against Kaido.
Very few of the Yamato for Nakama arguments are related to her actual personnality. In fact - like I said previously - I have seen a lot of "Yamato fan" trashing the girl because "she was annoying with her Oden personna".
To go so hard against a character that's very heavily implied to be a member of the crew would only lead to that person hurting themselves in the long run. I speak from experience that during the time that I was trying to justify Yamato not joining it only lead to a lot of stress since she had way too many things going for her. Things got a lot better after accepting the fact that she will most likely join.
Thinking back on it, it's definitely weird to me since there isn't really anything preventing Oda from having 2 members join at the same time other than that he hasn't done it before. Which is one of the reasons why I don't go along with the "one or the other argument." I've found it a lot less stressful to root for both Carrot and Yamato.
It wouldn't even be that farfetched if Oda did it this time around if you consider how Zou was connected to both WCI and Wano, Wano and WCI connected to each other, and the relationship between the minks and the samurai (remember that Yamato wants to be a samurai as well). Carrot is having a bit of a rough go of things right now, but the vibe I get from looking at the big picture from Zou to now is that it's a possibility if the cards play right.
I would be the first to root for Yamato if there was any relevant arguments. People here seems to think that I can't stand her. let's make a thing clear for everyone to see:
I LOVE YAMATO.
There, clear enough?
Now. Trust me, what I want is more women on the crew. It would be a JOY for me to have Yamato (yeah, even if Carrot don't join)
But there is almost no relevant reasons to think that she will be a strawhat.
In fact that subversion dialogue with Luffy was THE deal breaker argument. There is no way around it. From a Narrative perspective (at least if Oda follows a logical way of writing) Yamato is bound to do the exact opposite of what she said to Luffy and therefore.. what she said to Kaido later on.
What you guyz see as a confirmation, is for me the exact reason why Yamato is a bad candidate.
Yeah lol.. We have a very strong fan base. 388500 is really nothing when you take into account that each member of the fanbase of Carrot voted each day and that multiple compaign took place with famous people because of the Nakama War.
The reason Yamato lost is only because her fan were desorganised and did not vote continuously. We - on the other hand - did, we made sure of that.
The Carrot fanbase is still very small and will stay that way at least until the end of Wano.
So you’re saying that voting is about winning and losing?
HUGE FUCKING L.O.L.
The vote was never about Carrot vs Yamato, but it’s about how popular the One Piece characters are. Yamato “lost” because she hasn’t appeared yet in anime. What you’re explaining here is a fucking coping mechanism in your brainless head.
And don’t worry, Yamato fans know that Yamato is joining and popularity poll has never been relevant about her joining. Even your favorite basic bland bunny bitch got no 8 in an irrelevant poll LMAO. Man, “winning” in an irrelevant poll is not a great achievement after all
You got it wrong. Disliking a character is fine. But obsessing negatively (as I can see here most of the time) over a character is a proof of toxic masculinity, all the more when the argument are made to clash a girl doing her best and having a shining moment.
Concerning the virilist stuff, it's not about Carrot it's about liking Yamato. The main reason why fan turn toward Yamato was FIRSTLY because Yamato was introduced as Kaido's son. Then because Yamato is strong. Then, because Yamato clashed against Kaido.
Very few of the Yamato for Nakama arguments are related to her actual personnality. In fact - like I said previously - I have seen a lot of "Yamato fan" trashing the girl because "she was annoying with her Oden personna".
Jinbe, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, Brook, lost to Larrot but they’re still Straw Hats. And here where you lost in the argument that the poll is still as irrelevant as your favorite basic bland bunny
:cheers:
Jinbe, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, Brook, lost to Larrot but they’re still Straw Hats. And here where you lost in the argument that the poll is still as irrelevant as your favorite basic bland bunny
:cheers:
But u are making threads that she should stay in wano to help momo runs wano when he has his sister and kinemon them also saying that she should stay because momo is going to solve Oden's logbook by filling in the miss pages and Yamato is going to be the shogun which is complete crap.
But u are making threads that she should stay in wano to help momo runs wano when he has his sister and kinemon them also saying that she should stay because momo is going to solve Oden's logbook by filling in the miss pages and Yamato is going to be the shogun which is complete crap.
I would actually like kinemon to join.
Zoro 3 sword style
Kinemon 2 sword style
Brook 1 sword style
And also Momo could say something like “I can not come with you Luffy to finish your journey, as I have to stay in Wano. But I want kinemon to come with you and help in final step.
He has Denjiro, his sister, and other people to advise him.
Carrot4Nakama(fanbase) has been the largest nakama train since Carrot's introduction, and their 2 best arguments were potential merchandise sails and "The crew likes her."
They simply started to die off and become less vocal like every other failing train. Carrot vanished for most of Wano, not being apart of any big point, getting off screened, Yamato declaring she's joining, and all of the major SHs being finished without Carrot can do that to some.
yeah I don’t remember a 4nakama hyped fan base since Carrot. Monet was only around for 40 chapters and for the dressrosa motley crew quickly became obvious that they weren’t nakama material. Only recent Yamato has overtaken Carrot as the fandoms choice
But u are making threads that she should stay in wano to help momo runs wano when he has his sister and kinemon them also saying that she should stay because momo is going to solve Oden's logbook by filling in the miss pages and Yamato is going to be the shogun which is complete crap.
But where u get that from when it shows that she wants to leave wano😴, and her being the shogun is one of the worst something u can come up with it literally ruining the entire reason for the raid
But where u get that from when it shows that she wants to leave wano😴, and her being the shogun is one of the worst something u can come up with it literally ruining the entire reason for the raid
Where does it show that momo is going to leave wano? And why Yamato would be the shogun and there isn't no possibility of that happening even if the samurai see her as an all doesn't mean she going to be shogun like u think “yeah we want you to rules us other than kinemon" make any sense to u?
Not if the scabbard witness the accomplishments of Yamato
Not if the people of wano witness the accomplishments of Yamato
And not if Momo makes a speech saying he needs to understand something first on sea to really become a good Shogun
In that case, Yamato would make perfect sence but indeed not really as a Shogun, more as a regent.
Now, Yamato could simply end up as a protector for Hiyori if Momo were to sail the seas
Not if the scabbard witness the accomplishments of Yamato
Not if the people of wano witness the accomplishments of Yamato
And not if Momo makes a speech saying he needs to understand something first on sea to really become a good Shogun
In that case, Yamato would make perfect sence but indeed not really as a Shogun, more as a regent.
Now, Yamato could simply end up as a protector for Hiyori if Momo were to sail the seas
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It's an HYPOTHESIS, do you know what it means ? It's based on the fact that Momo could need to understand the last part of Oden's journal.
Momo has declared he will become shogun the same way Luffy declares that he will become pirate king. And this is not subverting expectations ore anything. Momo will become the shogun and you with your theories and analysis are again so off
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